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On November 28 2018 01:53 hunter_x wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2018 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 28 2018 00:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 00:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On November 27 2018 23:55 nuketurnal2 wrote:
How many of us here knew that CC was actually a racist slur prior to this incident? In Germany its a racial slur against asian people in general. Its more directed to mock the language then any country in particular. Can confirm, for us this is not really racist. That's why this whole incident is a huge joke for me, blown way out of proportion. especially because it's really hypocrite. most Chinese people are pretty racist themselves, and dont even try to hide it. Can confirm its at least an offensive term that is used to make "fun" of asian people in general. the second part is just a good ol fallacy. instead of pointing fingers at all chinese people you should start accepting that kuku fucked up making fun of is not the same as racism, so there's that. But ok let's say kuku's all chat was racist, is what I say about China not true? You want to forget about a majority of China being huge racists? Also in the context of this matter, not only overall. the chinese community was racist as fuck to kuku. Why should we overlook this all the time, when we make a scene like that over a simple ching chong? I know that's what started it all, but that's looking at only one side of the medal again.
hmmm.... the world ching chong may sound fun to you but it would be equivalent celebrating nazi and holocaust victim in Germany... other culture may find it funny
do German still call Jewish people kike or musselmann? Judenrein?
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On November 29 2018 02:18 HolyPepsi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2018 01:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 28 2018 00:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 00:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On November 27 2018 23:55 nuketurnal2 wrote:
How many of us here knew that CC was actually a racist slur prior to this incident? In Germany its a racial slur against asian people in general. Its more directed to mock the language then any country in particular. Can confirm, for us this is not really racist. That's why this whole incident is a huge joke for me, blown way out of proportion. especially because it's really hypocrite. most Chinese people are pretty racist themselves, and dont even try to hide it. Can confirm its at least an offensive term that is used to make "fun" of asian people in general. the second part is just a good ol fallacy. instead of pointing fingers at all chinese people you should start accepting that kuku fucked up making fun of is not the same as racism, so there's that. But ok let's say kuku's all chat was racist, is what I say about China not true? You want to forget about a majority of China being huge racists? Also in the context of this matter, not only overall. the chinese community was racist as fuck to kuku. Why should we overlook this all the time, when we make a scene like that over a simple ching chong? I know that's what started it all, but that's looking at only one side of the medal again. hmmm.... the world ching chong may sound fun to you but it would be equivalent celebrating nazi and holocaust victim in Germany... other culture may find it funny do German still call Jewish people kike?
sir hunter_x, i dont think its about policing words,
or being insulted by words,
now this is just my assumption,
but kuku being openly AFK, (probably thought he is just defending his mates, he is just defending <the lack of standards>)
he probably didn realize, by doing this, and (probably signaling his displease) he also let this issue grew, and let the spotlight be on china
now, i know, its somewhat hard/impossible for me too, to care what the chinese are writing in their chinese forums.
but remember the issue started in a nationwide broadcast, and it got a topic there (or so i read, by OP's explanation)
the topic is still there.
its context is still, nationwide (because it started from Skem's)
it is unresolved (by kuku afk-ing)
and this led to them to still being blamed. (for something leaked in matt's twitter)
now, its as if ur insulted, and the person who insult you, is playing defender of justice
he locked, alot of things that the chinese side could do, by being AFK.
(now if he is seemingly displeased, that would be... even more locking)
because the issue seemed it already outgrew whether any side was mad or not at this point
i dont see alot of emotions tbh, all of this is probably unintentional by kuku's side
(plus if he just apologized, he could probably be branded spineless by his mates, by people who dont understand the issue up to this point)
and it would take massive adult(ness) from any of those two side, to realize
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and to the issue of "initial insult"
this started from skem,
so imagine if an asian were to say something in a public nationwide broadcast in germany for example
i guess itd be ok if its funny
what if its not funny..
maybe (like skem) a push to address this (not yet a ban) (and a topic in the forums)
especially considering if there is currently any sensitivity due to (other) unrelated wordly issues?
that was all its supposed to be i think, initially at least
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On November 29 2018 02:18 HolyPepsi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2018 01:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 28 2018 00:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 00:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On November 27 2018 23:55 nuketurnal2 wrote:
How many of us here knew that CC was actually a racist slur prior to this incident? In Germany its a racial slur against asian people in general. Its more directed to mock the language then any country in particular. Can confirm, for us this is not really racist. That's why this whole incident is a huge joke for me, blown way out of proportion. especially because it's really hypocrite. most Chinese people are pretty racist themselves, and dont even try to hide it. Can confirm its at least an offensive term that is used to make "fun" of asian people in general. the second part is just a good ol fallacy. instead of pointing fingers at all chinese people you should start accepting that kuku fucked up making fun of is not the same as racism, so there's that. But ok let's say kuku's all chat was racist, is what I say about China not true? You want to forget about a majority of China being huge racists? Also in the context of this matter, not only overall. the chinese community was racist as fuck to kuku. Why should we overlook this all the time, when we make a scene like that over a simple ching chong? I know that's what started it all, but that's looking at only one side of the medal again. hmmm.... the world ching chong may sound fun to you but it would be equivalent celebrating nazi and holocaust victim in Germany... other culture may find it funny do German still call Jewish people kike or musselmann? Judenrein?
Nah, the en vouge thing to do is to just call someone else a Jew as an insult.
It's pathetic
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@Raphael_YU Thanks for sharing your side of the story. It's good to know that it isn't just blowing up because of "chngchng" but more so because of lost trust. It's also good to know that "chngchng" actually has a racist meaning for Chinese.
I doubt a good consent can be reached since both sides seem to be stuck in their "wrong makes wrong right" mentality, but it's still appreciated that you took the time.
Have to say that as a German with an anti-authoritarian, anti-nationalist upbringing some views seem very foreign to me, but that doesn't really come as a surprise (China and Germany have some very different policies concerning upbringing, political system and self-representation afaik). And I can certainly understand the outrage because somebody tried to trick you.
@550
I am 99% sure that any Chinese living outside of Germany saying something blatantly racist like "I'm in Nazi-Land!" on cable TV would have been disliked by the 10-15% nationalists and ignored because apparently uneducated by the rest. It would be forgotten 1-2 weeks later. We don't expect people far away to know anything about us and most of the time we are right 
Germany is a really bad example, because our political center and our political left both are pretty tolerant towards foreigners and share a strong dislike for patriotism and even more so for nationalism.
We are kinda compensating for the Nazi errors. Our far right party is on the upwind due to the counter-movement, but even they have to be very careful what they say.
On November 29 2018 02:41 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 02:18 HolyPepsi wrote:On November 28 2018 01:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 28 2018 00:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 00:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On November 27 2018 23:55 nuketurnal2 wrote:
How many of us here knew that CC was actually a racist slur prior to this incident? In Germany its a racial slur against asian people in general. Its more directed to mock the language then any country in particular. Can confirm, for us this is not really racist. That's why this whole incident is a huge joke for me, blown way out of proportion. especially because it's really hypocrite. most Chinese people are pretty racist themselves, and dont even try to hide it. Can confirm its at least an offensive term that is used to make "fun" of asian people in general. the second part is just a good ol fallacy. instead of pointing fingers at all chinese people you should start accepting that kuku fucked up making fun of is not the same as racism, so there's that. But ok let's say kuku's all chat was racist, is what I say about China not true? You want to forget about a majority of China being huge racists? Also in the context of this matter, not only overall. the chinese community was racist as fuck to kuku. Why should we overlook this all the time, when we make a scene like that over a simple ching chong? I know that's what started it all, but that's looking at only one side of the medal again. hmmm.... the world ching chong may sound fun to you but it would be equivalent celebrating nazi and holocaust victim in Germany... other culture may find it funny do German still call Jewish people kike or musselmann? Judenrein? Nah, the en vouge thing to do is to just call someone else a Jew as an insult. It's pathetic
The fuck? Are you living in Saxony or sth? Only time I've ever heard that was when my lil bro got outplayed badly and said it to his enemy (a good friend of his) and it was half a compliment and 100% jokingly.
And no, we don't call Jews names, at least 90-95% of us don't.
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On November 29 2018 02:18 HolyPepsi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2018 01:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 28 2018 00:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 00:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On November 27 2018 23:55 nuketurnal2 wrote:
How many of us here knew that CC was actually a racist slur prior to this incident? In Germany its a racial slur against asian people in general. Its more directed to mock the language then any country in particular. Can confirm, for us this is not really racist. That's why this whole incident is a huge joke for me, blown way out of proportion. especially because it's really hypocrite. most Chinese people are pretty racist themselves, and dont even try to hide it. Can confirm its at least an offensive term that is used to make "fun" of asian people in general. the second part is just a good ol fallacy. instead of pointing fingers at all chinese people you should start accepting that kuku fucked up making fun of is not the same as racism, so there's that. But ok let's say kuku's all chat was racist, is what I say about China not true? You want to forget about a majority of China being huge racists? Also in the context of this matter, not only overall. the chinese community was racist as fuck to kuku. Why should we overlook this all the time, when we make a scene like that over a simple ching chong? I know that's what started it all, but that's looking at only one side of the medal again. hmmm.... the world ching chong may sound fun to you but it would be equivalent celebrating nazi and holocaust victim in Germany... other culture may find it funny do German still call Jewish people kike or musselmann? Judenrein?
You see, your comparison would make sense if CC was associated with opium trade. It is not. Or Sino-Japanese war of 30s-40s. It still is not. Not going to say that TL fanfriend's opinion is valid, but CC is truly too weak of an insult, because it neither has brutal history associated with it nor is it insulting on it's own. Heck, the only reason it is an insult is because it sounds funny.
In the end it works as lesson in Chinese mindset, given we have already established the main fault being kuku's own screw-up in resolving this mess.
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On November 29 2018 02:18 HolyPepsi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2018 01:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 28 2018 00:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 00:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On November 27 2018 23:55 nuketurnal2 wrote:
How many of us here knew that CC was actually a racist slur prior to this incident? In Germany its a racial slur against asian people in general. Its more directed to mock the language then any country in particular. Can confirm, for us this is not really racist. That's why this whole incident is a huge joke for me, blown way out of proportion. especially because it's really hypocrite. most Chinese people are pretty racist themselves, and dont even try to hide it. Can confirm its at least an offensive term that is used to make "fun" of asian people in general. the second part is just a good ol fallacy. instead of pointing fingers at all chinese people you should start accepting that kuku fucked up making fun of is not the same as racism, so there's that. But ok let's say kuku's all chat was racist, is what I say about China not true? You want to forget about a majority of China being huge racists? Also in the context of this matter, not only overall. the chinese community was racist as fuck to kuku. Why should we overlook this all the time, when we make a scene like that over a simple ching chong? I know that's what started it all, but that's looking at only one side of the medal again. hmmm.... the world ching chong may sound fun to you but it would be equivalent celebrating nazi and holocaust victim in Germany... other culture may find it funny do German still call Jewish people kike or musselmann? Judenrein?
No it's not the equivalent at all, stop lying please, it only makes things worse.
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On November 29 2018 02:41 Archeon wrote:@550 I am 99% sure that any Chinese living outside of Germany saying something blatantly racist like "I'm in Nazi-Land!" on cable TV would have been disliked by the 10-15% nationalists and ignored because apparently uneducated by the rest. It would be forgotten 1-2 weeks later. We don't expect people far away to know anything about us and most of the time we are right Germany is a really bad example, because our political center and our political left both are pretty tolerant towards foreigners and share a strong dislike for patriotism and even more so for nationalism. We are kinda compensating for the Nazi errors. Our far right party is on the upwind due to the counter-movement, but even they have to be very careful what they say.
yes sir, that is probably whats gonna happen,
if the country is developed enough, things r generally probably more positive, if there are certain standards to the people,
but, im not saying one standard is bad or anything
but because, you know, in ALOT OF COUNTRIES (not just asia) if there are 10 people, in your public sphere,
and 6 of them, is on a high stress environment/demands, that 4, could seem like 1, or 0
by means of compounding culture
atleast thats what i think, seems to happen alot in non-western countries
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but i still think, people will still be dealt in the proper manner to his offense, in every country
depending on how triggering it is
now in this context, nothing i can think of, at all, currently, could provoke this, its true.
i dont live there afterall, and hopefully more positives only
also,
i think skem's address was all it was supposed to be at the beginning..
edit: i actually can think of something bad,
shits..
i mean, i was trying to say "UNFUNNY" as the keyword, so..
maybe.. maybe if a guy is to put forward a slander that involves two other races?
like he's trying to insinuate things on a public broadcast?
i know that is ALOT more than what is described here, but.. its honestly just about being unfunny
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^I get your point 
And it's not like ppl haven't gotten Germans angry, it just usually needs more than one incident or really bad handling. Also there have been discussions about free speech vs comedy, but mostly when German comedians said something negative about foreigners that people found unacceptable.
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On November 29 2018 02:50 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 02:18 HolyPepsi wrote:On November 28 2018 01:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 28 2018 00:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 00:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On November 27 2018 23:55 nuketurnal2 wrote:
How many of us here knew that CC was actually a racist slur prior to this incident? In Germany its a racial slur against asian people in general. Its more directed to mock the language then any country in particular. Can confirm, for us this is not really racist. That's why this whole incident is a huge joke for me, blown way out of proportion. especially because it's really hypocrite. most Chinese people are pretty racist themselves, and dont even try to hide it. Can confirm its at least an offensive term that is used to make "fun" of asian people in general. the second part is just a good ol fallacy. instead of pointing fingers at all chinese people you should start accepting that kuku fucked up making fun of is not the same as racism, so there's that. But ok let's say kuku's all chat was racist, is what I say about China not true? You want to forget about a majority of China being huge racists? Also in the context of this matter, not only overall. the chinese community was racist as fuck to kuku. Why should we overlook this all the time, when we make a scene like that over a simple ching chong? I know that's what started it all, but that's looking at only one side of the medal again. hmmm.... the world ching chong may sound fun to you but it would be equivalent celebrating nazi and holocaust victim in Germany... other culture may find it funny do German still call Jewish people kike or musselmann? Judenrein? You see, your comparison would make sense if CC was associated with opium trade. It is not. Or Sino-Japanese war of 30s-40s. It still is not. Not going to say that TL fanfriend's opinion is valid, but CC is truly too weak of an insult, because it neither has brutal history associated with it nor is it insulting on it's own. Heck, the only reason it is an insult is because it sounds funny. In the end it works as lesson in Chinese mindset, given we have already established the main fault being kuku's own screw-up in resolving this mess.
it is the same... the only reason i say such things because I know holocause history but you dont know Chinese history in North America. i am quoting my response from anther post in liquiddota...
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Your response was partially contributed to this problem.... Ching Chong and Chink are equivalent to nigger...
Slaves were ported to US and Canada during late Qing (Ching dynasty) where men have pony tales on their head.. They could not speak English, being treated like slave and built majority of railways in Canada and USA... Canada use to charge head tax against Chinese ethnic only...
The word Chink and Ching chong are originated to discriminate the Qing Slaves, the first mass generated migrated to North America looking for survival...
Asian do not make as big noise as black... Does not knowing the origin and meaning of this word is ignorant, not excuses... It is valve's responsibility to stop this whole bullshit going out of control.
"Ching chong, Chinaman,
Sitting on a wall.
Along came a white man,
and chopped his head off."
![[image loading]](https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/08/Capture5.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://images.asian-nation.org/anti-chinese-10.jpg)
![[image loading]](https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IWZjSs_9h3o/UgBH4aEQg4I/AAAAAAAAHzc/5U9p7QuYLSA/s400/imageMain_16_802.jpg)
![[image loading]](https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/The-Great-Fear-of-the-Period.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://factsanddetails.com/media/2/20080304-anti_CHinese.gif)
![[image loading]](https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiExYz24vfeAhXNMd8KHQFbD7EQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=http%3A%2F%2Fprojects.leadr.msu.edu%2Fprogressiveeraimmigration%2Fitems%2Fshow%2F16&psig=AOvVaw0c9dA_mu0RT_MmqWrg3WHZ&ust=1543518040426948)
Chinese exclusion Act in 1882 in US
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/chinese-exclusion-act/
the reason is Asian history in the western has been under-represented, does not mean it does not happen. i can start a separate thread if necessary.
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On November 29 2018 03:40 Archeon wrote:I get your point And it's not like ppl haven't gotten Germans angry, it just usually needs more than one incident or really bad handling. Also there have been discussions about free speech vs comedy, but mostly when German comedians said something negative about foreigners that people found unacceptable.
tbh if it was me, itd be looaads better if i have the freedom to be rude to as many people as possible
(to be frenly)
but like comedians, thats probably me tryin too hard 
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On November 29 2018 02:41 Artisreal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2018 02:18 HolyPepsi wrote:On November 28 2018 01:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 01:12 TRAP[yoo] wrote:On November 28 2018 00:53 hunter_x wrote:On November 28 2018 00:13 Micro_Jackson wrote:On November 27 2018 23:55 nuketurnal2 wrote:
How many of us here knew that CC was actually a racist slur prior to this incident? In Germany its a racial slur against asian people in general. Its more directed to mock the language then any country in particular. Can confirm, for us this is not really racist. That's why this whole incident is a huge joke for me, blown way out of proportion. especially because it's really hypocrite. most Chinese people are pretty racist themselves, and dont even try to hide it. Can confirm its at least an offensive term that is used to make "fun" of asian people in general. the second part is just a good ol fallacy. instead of pointing fingers at all chinese people you should start accepting that kuku fucked up making fun of is not the same as racism, so there's that. But ok let's say kuku's all chat was racist, is what I say about China not true? You want to forget about a majority of China being huge racists? Also in the context of this matter, not only overall. the chinese community was racist as fuck to kuku. Why should we overlook this all the time, when we make a scene like that over a simple ching chong? I know that's what started it all, but that's looking at only one side of the medal again. hmmm.... the world ching chong may sound fun to you but it would be equivalent celebrating nazi and holocaust victim in Germany... other culture may find it funny do German still call Jewish people kike or musselmann? Judenrein? Nah, the en vouge thing to do is to just call someone else a Jew as an insult. It's pathetic
exactly my point. everyone knows holocaust, but few knows Asian history in north america.
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Thanks for giving some more historical background HolyPepsi. I think the lack of communication between the scenes has amplified this problem tenfold up to the point where it's loss/loss for everyone involved.
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Good, the background given does make it much more sound but i have to make a very important counterpoint: you do not tax slaves, and you do not prevent immigration of slaves, because former is impossible and latter is stupid. So your claims that they were treated like slaves yet proceeding to explain that there was literally an act that prevented their immigration (2 acts in fact) and specific tax against them in another country, are contradictory. Were they treated like a low quality hard labor? Of course, you personally state their illiteracy, what are you going to make illiterate people do except for hard work?
As for presence of discrimination against Chinese (including the kindergarten rhyme), i have never denied it. Just comparing it to holocaust and very rich black history... downplays both.
P. S. Note that drama is about CC, not about C, C does sound like far more loaded an insult for reasons you have explained above.
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The underyling argument is simple: If you feel insulted by an act or a word, does that automatically make said act/word an insult?
From a neutral standpoint, I am inclined to say no. There are too many different people in this world to know how and to what degree you will insult them by doing something. Judging someone purely by the way their action was perceived by another party would result in chaos and mayhem.
So unless it can be proven that skem and kuku were aware of the effect their actions would have and specifically intended to provoke said effect, I see no alternative to giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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On November 30 2018 01:08 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
The underyling argument is simple: If you feel insulted by an act or a word, does that automatically make said act/word an insult?
From a neutral standpoint, I am inclined to say no. There are too many different people in this world to know how and to what degree you will insult them by doing something. Judging someone purely by the way their action was perceived by another party would result in chaos and mayhem.
So unless it can be proven that skem and kuku were aware of the effect their actions would have and specifically intended to provoke said effect, I see no alternative to giving them the benefit of the doubt.
i doubt they were aware that the word is actually a racist slur, just like the majority of us
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none of it is good, but you have got it a bit twisted if you believe the situation with the canadian railroad, head taxes, etc.
are on the same level as the american slave trade and holocaust.
they're all atrocities and more, don't get me wrong, but they're barely comparable.
again, the meaning of the words have changed over time--much more that "ching chong" is not as derogatory as it was more than 50 years ago.
china is a super power, and chinese people in society are some of the people that contribute the most.
it's a reputation that is so well known that it's an afterthought.
yeah i hear it in the most offensive manner and eye-roll at most. i don't feel xenophobia for christ's sake.
i just feel autism, ignorance, or low social IQ. that's it, lol.
so when a gamer who is meant to be a sort of role model or idol decides to say dumb shit, it hurts everyone a bit the same.
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As I began to read your sentiment, I wished that you could be that someone who could understand the plea from SEA especially from Ph. To give you few background of Kuku's mentality, he is a dumb, a joker and a funny guy. You could see him do the Korea's gwiyomi dance, tease and jukes on his teamates and friends and a casual friendly bully to the people close to him. A gamer and a father at a young age. Pinoys usually see racial remarks in pubs and it became a norm to us, in SEA as whole since SEA has been on a long time racial war and we don't really care about that. It's somehow make the region fun. Now on Kuku, he is just a typical SEA gamer with that attitude. We do not even know that he made a mistake until the Chinese cries foul on that. We know Kuku did not mean it. That's just him trying to be funny. Given, Kuku made that mistake, is it really needed to end his career? Send deaththreats? to mock his innocent daughter(which I believe could be so painful since I am also a father of an innocent one) and can't even protect her? Just because of that word? Kuku apologized and is penalized, is it not that enough? Could we bring back the virtue thought to us when we were a child by our parents that when you hurt someone you must say sorry and apologize and that we must forgive the ones who seek for it?
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On November 30 2018 16:37 Lelou wrote:
As I began to read your sentiment, I wished that you could be that someone who could understand the plea from SEA especially from Ph. To give you few background of Kuku's mentality, he is a dumb, a joker and a funny guy. You could see him do the Korea's gwiyomi dance, tease and jukes on his teamates and friends and a casual friendly bully to the people close to him. A gamer and a father at a young age. Pinoys usually see racial remarks in pubs and it became a norm to us, in SEA as whole since SEA has been on a long time racial war and we don't really care about that. It's somehow make the region fun. Now on Kuku, he is just a typical SEA gamer with that attitude. We do not even know that he made a mistake until the Chinese cries foul on that. We know Kuku did not mean it. That's just him trying to be funny. Given, Kuku made that mistake, is it really needed to end his career? Send deaththreats? to mock his innocent daughter(which I believe could be so painful since I am also a father of an innocent one) and can't even protect her? Just because of that word? Kuku apologized and is penalized, is it not that enough? Could we bring back the virtue thought to us when we were a child by our parents that when you hurt someone you must say sorry and apologize and that we must forgive the ones who seek for it?
You seem to forgot the lie Kuku attempted to cover up his racial remarks.
For the chinese, the racial remarks he threw is miniscule compared to that failed cover up, you see. He shouldn't have done that. If it wasn't for that, the ball wouldn't be unstoppable like it is now.
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On November 30 2018 16:50 Tio- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2018 16:37 Lelou wrote:
As I began to read your sentiment, I wished that you could be that someone who could understand the plea from SEA especially from Ph. To give you few background of Kuku's mentality, he is a dumb, a joker and a funny guy. You could see him do the Korea's gwiyomi dance, tease and jukes on his teamates and friends and a casual friendly bully to the people close to him. A gamer and a father at a young age. Pinoys usually see racial remarks in pubs and it became a norm to us, in SEA as whole since SEA has been on a long time racial war and we don't really care about that. It's somehow make the region fun. Now on Kuku, he is just a typical SEA gamer with that attitude. We do not even know that he made a mistake until the Chinese cries foul on that. We know Kuku did not mean it. That's just him trying to be funny. Given, Kuku made that mistake, is it really needed to end his career? Send deaththreats? to mock his innocent daughter(which I believe could be so painful since I am also a father of an innocent one) and can't even protect her? Just because of that word? Kuku apologized and is penalized, is it not that enough? Could we bring back the virtue thought to us when we were a child by our parents that when you hurt someone you must say sorry and apologize and that we must forgive the ones who seek for it? You seem to forgot the lie Kuku attempted to cover up his racial remarks. For the chinese, the racial remarks he threw is miniscule compared to that failed cover up, you see. He shouldn't have done that. If it wasn't for that, the ball wouldn't be unstoppable like it is now.
could it be that its not one person holding the decision?
is the situation like, theres a FORUM TOPIC, with a bad sentiment, that went to the government, and that government is difficult to reach / talk to / comprised of many people
then in such case, it can be difficult for a single person to (seemingly) take the risk of suggesting the forgive decision.. (normally the suggestion must come from kuku's side first)
(example is if a company decides to sue a person, then its gonna be pretty weird if theres a guy within the company, that suddenly suggests something that goes again what was "met" and "decided")
i think this maybe(?) what kuku/the international crowd misunderstands (not sure)
maybe they put china in one box instead of ( groups of groups of unrelated people like normally)
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On November 30 2018 01:08 InFiNitY[pG] wrote:
The underyling argument is simple: If you feel insulted by an act or a word, does that automatically make said act/word an insult?
From a neutral standpoint, I am inclined to say no. There are too many different people in this world to know how and to what degree you will insult them by doing something. Judging someone purely by the way their action was perceived by another party would result in chaos and mayhem.
So unless it can be proven that skem and kuku were aware of the effect their actions would have and specifically intended to provoke said effect, I see no alternative to giving them the benefit of the doubt.
I'm having a real hard time believing that they meant anything other than what those words are meant to mean.
Unless you live in some strange world where Ching chong have some sort of positive connotation, i think you are just arguing on semantics.
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