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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
July 31 2018 18:06 GMT
#101
This is cool, and I'm very impressed with how quickly they've been crossing restrictions off their list.

The one thing I wish they'd do is play one game without the restrictions, so we can watch how the bot fails when it goes up against something it doesn't know how to handle. I'm sure this would lead to plenty of glitchy, exploitable behavior, but it sounds both entertaining and educational to look at what happens when you turn it loose on the full game.
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
July 31 2018 18:44 GMT
#102
Will the games be streamed? When?
Resistance ain't futile
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 31 2018 18:48 GMT
#103
On August 01 2018 03:44 Murlox wrote:
Will the games be streamed? When?

from the link in the OP,

the games are almost exactly 5 days from now.

they set up a twitch channel for it as well: https://www.twitch.tv/openai
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Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
July 31 2018 19:14 GMT
#104
Oh ok, thanks.

From Blitz tweet I wrongly assumed it was iminent (today actually). Danke
Resistance ain't futile
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1771 Posts
July 31 2018 19:55 GMT
#105
Leee Jaee Doong
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
July 31 2018 21:04 GMT
#106
yeah i heard they were gonna make moon play 5 which is probably not right but it's just a showmatch so w/e
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ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
July 31 2018 22:37 GMT
#107
So:

1. Merlini
2. Blitz
3. Cap
4. Fogged
5. Moon

...is the lineup? Veggies ride again.
korendir
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore259 Posts
August 04 2018 11:04 GMT
#108
Can someone add this to upcoming events so I don't miss it
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1771 Posts
August 05 2018 01:59 GMT
#109


Leee Jaee Doong
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
August 05 2018 05:53 GMT
#110
Who's hyped?
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-05 08:52:27
August 05 2018 08:40 GMT
#111
I'm quite curious to see it, just wish it was more extensive than 3 games like I've said before. Not really sure what I expect as the result. 1-2 weeks ago the bots played against some 5k - 6.5k players and went 2-2 in 4 games. There should still be somewhat of a jump from that to beating this group of players (better players, they have more experience playing properly in a team setting, etc). But it seems conceivable that the bots could win after the latest training run, especially if their play is quite different to humans. Humans may need some time to adjust if the bots are beating them in a way that the humans had a hard time anticipating.

Rather than just the result, I'm most curious about what sort of capabilities the bots show in different areas of the game. And I would be interested to know what parts of the game turn out to be the hardest for the bots to learn. I wouldn't be surprised if the bots are very good at 5 man heavy playstyles and teamfighting in general. But I would be a bit surprised if the bots can beat the humans in a pickoff heavy game with Slark, can abuse Slark's night vision or can abuse fog of war really well with something like Earthshaker to make humans constantly play scared.

Also hopefully we see the bots on various different heroes out of the pool of 18. If they just end up playing Viper, Necro, Lich etc. it won't be as exciting as them playing Earthshaker, Slark, SF or Sven. Actually I'm probably most interested in seeing the bots play with a draft where they have clearly the worse teamfight. Irregardless of whether they'd win in that case, it would be very interesting to see how they would approach it.
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1088 Posts
August 05 2018 14:27 GMT
#112
Maybe picking Sniper + Sven and delaying to super late game will be a guaranteed victory?

Maybe super early 5 man push mid lane lineups drafts will be unstoppable for the AI?

Doing something extreme either way drafting wise could be very strong. With a limited hero pool it will be harder to counter.
mostly harmless
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-05 19:24:01
August 05 2018 16:02 GMT
#113




[image loading]
https://www.twitch.tv/openai
Leee Jaee Doong
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
August 05 2018 17:26 GMT
#114
Please tell me Hot_Bid is doing bot interviews.
datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
August 05 2018 18:13 GMT
#115
Probability of OpenAI Five winning according to prediction websites / prediction markets:
Metaculus: 66%
Augur: 75%
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1771 Posts
August 05 2018 19:37 GMT
#116



Stream is live!
https://www.twitch.tv/openai
Leee Jaee Doong
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
August 05 2018 19:39 GMT
#117
Purge's advice for playing against the AI: "It's very important that you react correctly immediately."

Thanks, Purge.
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-08-05 19:57:28
August 05 2018 19:44 GMT
#118
[image loading]

First game against audience. OpenAI with the confidence.

Game Over.
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Leee Jaee Doong
ASoo
Profile Joined November 2010
2865 Posts
August 05 2018 19:55 GMT
#119
10/10 play, 2/10 trash talk.
Wineandbread
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2065 Posts
August 05 2018 19:56 GMT
#120
I think the main point of issue with this showmatch is the 5 invul couriers. They can perpetually ferry mangos and sustain their push easily.

That being said it's still impressive to see some of their laning and teamfight coordination. They're so aggressive and apply so much pressure, it's crazy.
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