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OpenAI's Dota 2 bots vs. 5 top professionals in TI - Page 13

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HungrySC2
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States191 Posts
August 27 2018 19:11 GMT
#241
How many games of Dota 2 have humans played?

We play an insane amount of games to. And we learn from each other.

Open AI 5 is essentially doing the same thing, but it has a different player pool to learn and play with.
"First say to yourself what you would be; And then do what you have to do. (Epictetus)
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden890 Posts
August 28 2018 13:59 GMT
#242
thats not really a fair comparision since every human has to learn from scratch. The million legend players dont contribute anything to "humanity" in terms of understanding dota
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
September 03 2018 18:46 GMT
#243
Human players learn partly by trying to copy other humans, so it's not fair to say they all start from scratch.

Then again, the AI players learn partly by copying item builds from Torte de Lini...
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1770 Posts
September 23 2018 23:06 GMT
#244


Might challenge OG soon I hope.
Leee Jaee Doong
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden890 Posts
September 24 2018 18:19 GMT
#245
cool i wonder how good it is now and if it wont play like 1k mmr in decision making anymore
sertas
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden890 Posts
September 24 2018 18:22 GMT
#246
Its pretty interesting how similar computers are in all games, theyre just absolutely crushing when it comes to tactical stuff (in this case team fight execution and mechanics) and worse at long term stuff.

All thats needed is to make them less retarded at long term stuff and they just roll over evrething in for example chess where it took a while for computers to be less bad long term and then it was over for the humans since tactically it was never even close.
Archeon
Profile Joined May 2011
3265 Posts
October 05 2018 21:29 GMT
#247
I think the reason is that once they win, the game ends. So brute force often doesn't even reach the lategame scenario and is as a result less optimized for these situations.
low gravity, yes-yes!
Artac
Profile Joined July 2016
Brazil9 Posts
October 09 2018 18:25 GMT
#248
On August 28 2018 04:11 HungrySC2 wrote:
How many games of Dota 2 have humans played?

We play an insane amount of games to. And we learn from each other.

Open AI 5 is essentially doing the same thing, but it has a different player pool to learn and play with.


Simulations and mind-plays may count as a match?
XD
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-11 00:44:12
April 11 2019 00:41 GMT
#249


https://openai.com/blog/openai-five-finals/

Poll: Who will win?

OpenAI (20)
 
65%

OG (11)
 
35%

31 total votes

Your vote: Who will win?

(Vote): OG
(Vote): OpenAI

Leee Jaee Doong
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
April 11 2019 08:18 GMT
#250
I'm actually really excited for this event. The showing at TI was... less then great but now the AI has had even more time to train I can't wait to see what it can do.
AdministratorI'm dancing in the moonlight
Murlox
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France1699 Posts
April 11 2019 19:17 GMT
#251
Yeah. I don't know about you guys, but for me it's really a matter of when.

I'm convinced the AI is going to simply be unreachable for humans, the question is when...

Excited as well
Resistance ain't futile
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1770 Posts
April 11 2019 20:19 GMT
#252
Every event has been a revelation to me, the benchmark test with the AI's overwhelming victory, then in TI with the humans outsmarting the AI. I don't know how OpenAI will solve the long time horizon problem but if they can do it, that would be impressive. If they can't, I hope they will continue to give us future showmatches.
Leee Jaee Doong
BlazingGlory
Profile Joined February 2010
Bulgaria855 Posts
April 11 2019 20:38 GMT
#253
OG barely manage to play seriously in their qualifiers. How are they gonna do that against some bots?
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1770 Posts
April 11 2019 23:02 GMT
#254
I think pride and the fear of being the first pro team to lose to bots will drive OG to take this seriously.
Leee Jaee Doong
YBBUB
Profile Joined September 2018
70 Posts
April 12 2019 16:17 GMT
#255
OG barely manage to play seriously in their qualifiers. How are they gonna do that against some bots?
yeah I treat this like last year's preTI Red Bull AdrenaLAN

And then everyone will treat their result like in https://www.liquiddota.com/forum/ti8/536339-the-international-2018-power-rank
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-13 00:47:50
April 12 2019 18:21 GMT
#256




Leee Jaee Doong
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-13 18:45:16
April 13 2019 17:54 GMT
#257



predictions!



https://www.twitch.tv/openai
Leee Jaee Doong
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2846 Posts
April 13 2019 18:46 GMT
#258
I'm confused as to whether to root for AI since it's cool n all or root for humans since we are flesh and blood n all
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
April 13 2019 19:06 GMT
#259
On April 14 2019 03:46 Warfie wrote:
I'm confused as to whether to root for AI since it's cool n all or root for humans since we are flesh and blood n all

Just enjoy this parody of Dota.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-13 19:13:54
April 13 2019 19:08 GMT
#260
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