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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
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Last Edited: 2016-02-23 09:42:17
February 23 2016 09:42 GMT
#21
On February 23 2016 11:11 DoctorHeckle wrote:
As teams tend to favor a dedicated roaming support or a 2-1-2 layout, Puppey and pieliepie generally do not work in aggressive tandem during the laning stage

typo
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28084 Posts
February 23 2016 09:50 GMT
#22
On February 23 2016 18:42 andyrau wrote:
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On February 23 2016 11:11 DoctorHeckle wrote:
As teams tend to favor a dedicated roaming support or a 2-1-2 layout, Puppey and pieliepie generally do not work in aggressive tandem during the laning stage

typo

You didn't know? He changed his name officially to pieliepie!

ok I lied. Thanks for the catch, lol.
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LethalBacon
Profile Joined June 2015
Spain355 Posts
February 23 2016 09:54 GMT
#23
On February 23 2016 13:47 TomatoBisque wrote:
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On February 23 2016 13:44 lolnoty wrote:
On February 23 2016 13:23 Sabu113 wrote:
If this team could sub Zai in, I think it might just have enough. As is, good team but no EG.

I don't think Zai would go back to TS. The main reason RTZ/Zai went to TS is they regarded S4 as the best dota2 player in terms of understanding + play. TS's glory days were after the helm was transferred to S4 to draft/have the last word in play calls. With TS's current roster I don't think the team would have the same allure to him.

Both rtz and zai have said they would team with Puppey again


Did they? Can we have source?
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SaltySam
Profile Joined January 2013
65 Posts
February 23 2016 13:35 GMT
#24
On February 23 2016 17:37 goody153 wrote:
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On February 23 2016 13:23 Sabu113 wrote:
If this team could sub Zai in, I think it might just have enough. As is, good team but no EG.

I agree but i hope this is not the case i don't wanna change anybody from the roster. I'd rather have them figure out wtf is wrong and fix it themselves

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On February 23 2016 12:59 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
On February 23 2016 12:35 goody153 wrote:
On February 23 2016 12:22 bumwithagun wrote:
On February 23 2016 11:55 Dracolich70 wrote:
Misery is more talented than universe, and a vaster pool, but he lacks the consistency, which is probably more due to the lack of cohesion in relation to EG, and him not being as strong of mind as Universe. Misery has improved this aspect, but it is still not on par with other offlaners.


This is crazy...im pretty sure universe is about as elite as offlane talent gets. Misery, not so much. There is certainly no better western offlaner than universe.

zai is better but he's not playing so universe is the best atm

that's a stretch

Of course that's just my observation .. at the start of Secret DAC time he wasn't that explosive but later on he was stable and good at play making(like zai 4 position good)

one of the reasons why i thought Secret 2.0 star power was insane. Not just by name but the supports weren't the one that made it look sick it was the cores. ( of course i'm only talking about times that s4 wasn't tilting )

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On February 23 2016 17:30 SaltySam wrote:
On February 23 2016 13:47 TomatoBisque wrote:
On February 23 2016 13:44 lolnoty wrote:
On February 23 2016 13:23 Sabu113 wrote:
If this team could sub Zai in, I think it might just have enough. As is, good team but no EG.

I don't think Zai would go back to TS. The main reason RTZ/Zai went to TS is they regarded S4 as the best dota2 player in terms of understanding + play. TS's glory days were after the helm was transferred to S4 to draft/have the last word in play calls. With TS's current roster I don't think the team would have the same allure to him.

Both rtz and zai have said they would team with Puppey again, and Puppey implied in an interview that s4 was captain in name only.
Quite the opposite actually. You are remembering it wrong. All the Team Secret players (can't remember if Kuro said anything) said that s4 was the captain and drafter. It was either Puppey or Zai who said that Puppey's drafts got figured out and Zai's drafts were terrible. So, s4 started drafting and they won all those tournaments after he started drafting. It doesn't matter if teammates give input or suggestions if they do not make the final call for a decision.


I don't think that's true. The drafter isn't one man brain army he decides which goes through the strategy is created by the team itself. Ppd has mentioned this before.

Have you noticed that Secret drafts of this iteration of Secret looks like c9 drafts.(example would be ember/PA/AM-magnus )


They just prevent dudes from doing the "dude pick me storm" and then the 5th pick AM from the other team comes out.
I didn't clarify the 'bolded' very well since i hadn't slept yet (still haven't). The original poster I was quoting, thinks that s4 wasn't the captain or that the role of a captain can be an empty title. Your team's strategies have to be built on the strengths of your entire team. Every good player recognizes their own strengths and weaknesses (vital information to give a captain). I agree that the other players are important for different insights and perspectives, but that doesn't diminish the importance of a captain in drafting and/or shotcalling. This is evidenced by their vastly improved performance after s4 became the captain. Other teams have supported this by saying a team needs a good captain in order to succeed. TLDR: I agree with you
uwahwah89
Profile Joined May 2015
Indonesia158 Posts
February 23 2016 18:05 GMT
#25
Wraith King : "i got passive, another passive, and another passive, and a stun"

puppey interview 2016
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Acetone
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States200 Posts
February 23 2016 19:08 GMT
#26
These previews have all been great in terms of content, but pretty lackluster as far as proofreading goes.

Anyway, I'm hoping Secret really shows up in Shanghai. EG-Secret finals in China please.
Where's my rtzW option for favorite Dota 2 team
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