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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-08 21:13:47
December 08 2015 20:49 GMT
#1

The Summit 4 Preview


Finding a Niche
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Finding a Niche


The Summit 4 is a tournament that feels lost, trying to find it’s way in the new landscape of competitive Dota. Originally conceived as a “Homestory Cup for Dota”, The Summit tournaments have a long history of crowdfunding; the first Summit was itself a stretch goal for Beyond the Summit’s indiegogo campaign. Starting with a modest $50,000 base prize pool with another $50,000+ raised from ticket sales, The Summit rapidly expanded to a $100,000 base and over $300,000 total prize pool in just its second tournament. A large part of the crowdfunding success was owed to their brilliant “redemption vote” which allowed fans who purchased the compendium to vote for an eliminated team to be redeemed back into the tournament. The Summit 3 saw some stagnation as the base prizepool remained at $100,000 and the total prizepool dipped somewhat on account of a less compelling redemption vote race and a more saturated tournament scene. The Summit 3 also seemed to back off the Homestory Cup vibe a little bit. In acceding to players demands and providing improved practice space while putting less pressure on the players to cast and entertain when not playing, BTS tacitly acknowledged The Summit’s position as a serious, high-stakes tournament.

This fourth Summit, however, has seen a catastrophic decline in crowdfunding. With the same $100,000 base prize pool, BTS has attained barely $10,000 in additional crowdfunding on the eve of the LAN finals. BTS themselves point to Valve’s refusal to enable proper 3rd party compendiums in the new Dota 2 Reborn client, which not only made their ticket less compelling but also removed their ability to run the exciting and profitable redemption vote. In addition there is the possibility of wallet fatigue amongst fans, brought on by TI5’s incredibly successful extraction of money from the paying fanbase followed up by the Fall Compendium immediately after. Put next to tournaments increasingly offering larger and larger base prize pools and more dramatic, fan attend-able events, The Summit 4 seems to lack an identity. This may be their chance to recapture the magic of a cozy, fun tournament for the fans to enjoy the players’ personalities as much as their Dota skills.

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The Bracket


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The Teams


OG


The last month has been a story of ups and downs for OG as far as results go. The incredible win in Frankfurt was followed up by some "easy money" in Jönköping, where the team didn't drop a single game. Everything was great in OG land. Then came The Defense and we saw fellow TS4 participants Liquid completely dismantle the hottest team on the scene over 4 games. So suddenly there's a bit of doubt sneaking into the back of OG's mind. That said, with the exception of Miracle- the players on OG should have enough experience to work through this rough patch.

Or is it more than "a dip"? Yes the team pulled off an amazing run at the Frankfurt Major, maybe one of the best runs we've seen in Dota. But since then the team has only really been challenged once, against Liquid, and they did not rise to that challenge. The rest of their games have been against tier 2 teams. So at The Summit OG has something to prove; they have to prove that the Frankfurt Major wasn't a one time thing.

Mineski


The fight Mineski put up at the first Major during the group stage left more than just a few stunned and at a loss for words. Their innovative play that few saw coming from a battered region had many looking at the upper bracket and asking themselves, “Mineski”? A team from SEA managing to not only make the upper bracket but to do so by beating EHOME and Alliance 2-0! Their losses came at the hands of both finalists, Secret and OG, which is hardly a bad showing from the Philippine squad. Mineski has had no roster changes after the Major and remain as the five players who have taken over the SEA region. With Fnatic on a downward spiral Mineski have taken advantage of their lapse and have claimed the throne in SEA. Mineski also seemed to be one of the first teams to realize the potential of Huskar in the pro scene not just as a seldom picked pocket strat but as a powerhouse capable of taking the game into his own hands.

Mineski’s road to The Summit 4 was anything but easy, they came from the losers bracket after being beaten by Fnatic to overcome them in the finals 3-2. Before the grand finals they had to go through MVP Phoenix, First Departure, and Signature Trust as they truly ran the gauntlet of the SEA Qualifiers. They face a difficult first round opponent in OG, the team that dispatched them from the losers bracket in Frankfurt. Now that they have a chance for revenge as they face up against OG again we’ll have to see if Huskar will come knocking on OG’s door.

Virtus Pro


Silent comes crashing into the world of VP and their fans as he replaces Illidan coming into The Summit 4. The question on the minds of many is will he harm or help the team? Words are unnecessary when you look at Silent’s performance over the years with Empire. He has been one of the most consistent, albeit quietly so, carries in the world until a rough couple of months near the end of his journey on Empire. Without a doubt if many tried to walk in Silent’s shoes they would stumble in his footsteps. Illidan may be a tough act to follow in his own right, but for every game Illidan carried this team there was one where his unorthodox plays cost them.

After a string of 5th/6th place finishes following TI5, VP will be looking to run with Silent’s old consistent heavy farm and high rotation style of carry play he had been known for up until the last few months on Empire. As VP look to break into the higher echelon of teams this winter season, The Summit will be a good place to experiment and plan for the future with Silent bringing new potential and valuable experience with him.

Vici Gaming


One of the more surprising developments in the post Frankfurt Major shuffle came from Vici Gaming. What surprised us, however, was that the team didn't make a move during the transfer window. Even though the team finished on the upper half of the major, there is no doubt that some of the players on the team severely underperformed. But surprisingly it seems that VG feels that their current squad has potential. And with a long roster lock coming up, we'll truly see what this lineup can do.

Coming into this week there isn't much we can say about VG. The team has incredible players on all positions and if they can get it together they'll always be a threat no matter who's on the other side. But VG hasn't played an official game in close to a month. What have they done with this free time? The Summit will tell!

EHOME


As a team, EHOME are in a very peculiar position. On one hand, they have ascended to the top of the Chinese scene by merit of defeating their regional rivals during their tear through the lower bracket of the recent Frankfurt Major, striking down Vici Gaming, LGD, and Newbee.Y. An effortless run through the Starladder qualifiers has only strengthened EHOME’s reputation as top dogs as well. Yet at the same time, they still have so much to prove this week at The Summit. Even though they were the top placing Chinese team at Frankfurt, it was still only a humbling 4th place finish behind two European squads and a certain NA team that landed the direct invite to the BTS house.

Needless to say, the stakes are high for EHOME and their compatriots Vici Gaming as China returns to the hallowed grounds of an international LAN. With no roster changes preceding the Shanghai Major’s roster lock, they go into The Summit 4 as strong as they’ve ever looked. Can they get past Team Liquid, fresh off of a LAN win over incumbent Major champions OG, in their first upper bracket match? Will they retain their focus, in a house full of steamy bathtub interviews, Gang Beast brawls, and after-hour poker games? Can China’s reputation as the premier region in the world of competitive Dota be restored? EHOME shoulders the brunt of this task, whether they asked for it or not.

Team Liquid


Liquid goes into The Summit 4 fresh off their win at The Defense Season 5 where after losing to OG in the upper bracket they came back to beat them in the finals 3-1. This was in fact Liquids first LAN win in the history of Dota 2 and with it comes higher expectations for the team to perform at an event where many top teams are gathered. Liquid has proven that OG is in fact beatable on LAN despite their wins at the Frankfurt Major and DreamLeague, which is a big step up for a team that had failed to qualify for the Frankfurt Major at all. They have avenged their elimination at the hands of OG (then monkey business) in the Frankfurt qualifier, now can they prove that they belong in the big leagues?

Liquid took the “easy” route through The Summit 4’s European qualifier, winning through the winners bracket going through VP, Vega, and finally beating Empire 3-1 to secure their spot in the main event. Their first opponent will be EHOME, one of the strongest teams in the world and 4th place finishers in Frankfurt. With careful planning and proper preparation Liquid should be able to put the so-called “6 Minute God” cty to the test and if they beat EHOME it could give Liquid the momentum needed to surprise more than just OG fans.

Digital Chaos


After high expectations upon forming before the Frankfurt Major roster lock, Digital Chaos has proceeded to consistently fail to qualify for important tournaments. The Summit 4 represents perhaps the only success of the original roster, who qualified by winning the American Qualifier. Even that success seemed only possible due to Evil Geniuses bypassing the qualifier as the only direct invite to the tournament.

After such a poor Fall season, DC chose to relegate their least experienced player Biryu to the substitute position, and picked up an experienced captain in 1437. While the lineup has been finalized for over a week now, The Summit will represent the first games officially part of the winter season as the roster lock comes into effect only 10 hours before the games begin. Just as qualifying represented the sole vindication of the original roster, so too do these LAN finals represent a crucial chance for the new roster to show that they are more than a joke. The fact that DC is one of just 2 North American teams present at this tournament is a nice advantage for the team who won’t face the same jetlag as their opponents.

Evil Geniuses


EG have a rich and varied history with the Summit tournament in all it’s iterations. At the first Summit, EG won it all with a lineup consisting of PPD, UNiVeRsE , Arteezy, Zai and Mason. At The Summit 2, a similar lineup with Fear in for Mason fell victim to internal strife and the lineup never played another game together after placing 4th. With Zai and Arteezy out for Aui_2000 and SumaiL, EG came tantalizingly close to reclaiming their crown at the 3rd Summit, placing 2nd. Now, fielding a strange mashup of old rosters, EG look to repeat their victories without falling victim to the issues that destroyed them once before.

EG have had a very quiet Fall season, participating in just 2 tournaments prior to the Fall Major. Their 3rd place finish at the Major might have been exciting for any other team, but EG expected more after winning TI5 and even changing rosters in what they felt was a further upgrade. At the Major, EG’s losses came at the hands of Secret who won’t be attending The Summit, and OG. Thus, with seemingly just one team to be afraid of in OG who are even on opposite sides of the bracket, EG are looking to make a deep run into this tournament and challenge for their 2nd win in just 4 iterations of the event.

CREDITS
Writers: Sn0_Man, DoctorHeckle, OmniEulogy, Julmust
Editor: Sn0_Man
Graphics: The Summit Offical


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Gamerhcp
Profile Joined May 2015
734 Posts
December 08 2015 20:47 GMT
#2
Aui vs PPD

Kuro vs RTZ

Who was left? You decide.
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ShiaoPi
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
December 08 2015 21:06 GMT
#3
really looking forward to the matches! It is the first top tier tournament since Frankfurt so I am curious how everyone will do, but most importantly.....GOGOGGOGOGGOG LIQUID!!!!
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28090 Posts
December 08 2015 21:09 GMT
#4
I want a Liquid vs EG finals!!!!!!
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 08 2015 21:11 GMT
#5
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Team Dota Cinema Damn Canadians Dumb Carries Digital Chaos totally have this fools
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Verniy
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada3360 Posts
December 08 2015 21:44 GMT
#6
EG 8th place incoming
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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10656 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-08 21:56:54
December 08 2015 21:55 GMT
#7
On December 09 2015 05:47 Gamerhcp wrote:
Aui vs PPD

Kuro vs RTZ

Who was left? You decide.

This is why I love the Summit.

Players always in close proximity to each other and we get to see everything since the Summit house has cameras at every corner.

It's gonna be awesome...

Too bad I have 5 exams to study for in the next 7 days. FUCKSPSFBXNXSKSBXNAPQI $*#!&×¥ I HATE MY LIFE
Skol
Dysisa
Profile Joined July 2014
Sweden2376 Posts
December 08 2015 22:09 GMT
#8
The Summit always tries so hard to give off that vibe of being a chill and fun event that isn't all that serious, but it just doesn't really work. Most of the people just sit around playing Melee and Mario Kart when matches aren't going on. feels so uninspired. Not to mention that the rest of the people are busy sulking over losses or preparing for their next matches, so the only people actually servicing us viewers are the usual boring cast being their usual boring selves. It ends up being just another event most of the time. The chill and fun is replaced with what looks like a really low budget and disorganized lan instead. I'm not trying to /demand/ that players give us the time of their day or whatever. But man, it just ends up being kinda, well, lame. And I can't say I'm surprised that they're pointing their fingers everywhere except at themselves over the decrease in funding this year, it's exactly the attitude I expect from BTS nowadays, sadly.

So here's hoping there's some really fucking good Dota 2 played to make up for this shit at least. Go go Team Liquid, you already got one in the bag time for another!
fuck dota 2 | "i don't like ppd, and i really look forward to one day beating that motherfucker" -Swindlemelonzz, my personal hero
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
December 08 2015 23:07 GMT
#9
why not invite Secret instead of VP Summit? oO
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AzaghalsMask
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland23 Posts
December 08 2015 23:17 GMT
#10
They have avenged their elimination at the hands of OG (then monkey business) in the Frankfurt qualifier


Capitalist: "Do you feel a little bit of redemption, now that you've beat OG in a LAN final, compared to, obviously, the majors qualifiers, where you ended up losing against them?"
Kuroky: "...NO?!?"

- Postgame interview Defense 5
"Here follows one of the last notes of the Red Book of Westmarch."
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
December 08 2015 23:51 GMT
#11
Despite the underwhelming hype, I think this tourney has some really nice teams. Hoping for some good games!
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synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 09 2015 00:14 GMT
#12
Looking like OG vs Ehome finals imo.
:)
The Binary Son
Profile Joined August 2013
United States207 Posts
December 09 2015 00:36 GMT
#13
GO DIGITAL CHAOS!!!!!
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Gear 3rd
Profile Joined July 2011
1244 Posts
December 09 2015 01:12 GMT
#14
Liquid took the “easy” route through The Summit 4’s European qualifier

Since when is the EU route the "easy" one? even exclamation marks dont justify calling it like this imo... NA strongest scene?
Anyway GO LIQUID! and secret... but i gotta admit liquid has the fan momentum on its side for me!
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rebdomine
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
6040 Posts
December 09 2015 01:38 GMT
#15
ppd vs aui first round, and then I assume a very likely rtc vs kuro 2nd round!
"Just because you are correct doesn't mean you are right!"
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
December 09 2015 04:35 GMT
#16
OG has proven they're not overhyped
Liquid has proven they're not overhyped
will DC this time prove themself ?!?!
-Terran-
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 09 2015 06:21 GMT
#17
Summits are always some of my favorite events, hope nobody disappoints :D
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kblueriver
Profile Joined July 2012
Argentina430 Posts
December 09 2015 08:45 GMT
#18
On December 09 2015 10:38 rebdomine wrote:
ppd vs aui first round, and then I assume a very likely rtc vs kuro 2nd round!

what can we get for the finals? could sumail vs miracle work?
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10705 Posts
December 09 2015 09:04 GMT
#19
On December 09 2015 07:09 Dysisa wrote:
The Summit always tries so hard to give off that vibe of being a chill and fun event that isn't all that serious, but it just doesn't really work. Most of the people just sit around playing Melee and Mario Kart when matches aren't going on. feels so uninspired. Not to mention that the rest of the people are busy sulking over losses or preparing for their next matches, so the only people actually servicing us viewers are the usual boring cast being their usual boring selves. It ends up being just another event most of the time. The chill and fun is replaced with what looks like a really low budget and disorganized lan instead. I'm not trying to /demand/ that players give us the time of their day or whatever. But man, it just ends up being kinda, well, lame. And I can't say I'm surprised that they're pointing their fingers everywhere except at themselves over the decrease in funding this year, it's exactly the attitude I expect from BTS nowadays, sadly.

So here's hoping there's some really fucking good Dota 2 played to make up for this shit at least. Go go Team Liquid, you already got one in the bag time for another!



They mainly seem to lack Take... HSC works because Take and his Crew know their shit. Thats why it also works for Heartstone and would work for pretty much anything.
The Summit just doesn't seem to really "get" what HSC and similar events are actually about or at least fail horribly at emulating it..
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44125 Posts
December 09 2015 09:39 GMT
#20
On December 09 2015 05:47 Gamerhcp wrote:
Aui vs PPD

Kuro vs RTZ

Who was left? You decide.

hahahaha


make kuroky and rtz cast !
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