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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-24 10:22:44
September 24 2020 10:13 GMT
#206881
On September 24 2020 06:23 Firebolt145 wrote:
Didn't Dota have its own doomsayers when it introduced public ranks and MMR?

at least unranked MM back then was still rank based. non skill based MM is closer to random wc3 lobbies back in the day where youd win like 95%+ of your games. which some people prefer because they like stomping noobs, much like smurfs
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harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
September 24 2020 15:32 GMT
#206882
On September 24 2020 06:23 Firebolt145 wrote:
Didn't Dota have its own doomsayers when it introduced public ranks and MMR?


I don't think so. I remember people being relatively happy about ranked being introduced - but even back during the earliest days of the beta there was a hidden rank being utilized to find matches, so it wasn't as much of a wild west of skills that games like CoD are.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 24 2020 15:34 GMT
#206883
Your MMR was basically what page your games were on lol
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 24 2020 17:13 GMT
#206884
people cared way less about the games tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 24 2020 17:14 GMT
#206885
ah i remember checking every game to see if u were page1 game1
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 24 2020 17:16 GMT
#206886
i mean ud know pretty fast due to the specs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
September 24 2020 19:04 GMT
#206887
It was weird that I got page 1 game 1 games occasionally. I was definitely not good enough yet matched up against Merlini once and Dendi/Puppey another time.

Got shitstomped both times.
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Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2645 Posts
September 24 2020 23:08 GMT
#206888
Am playing an RTS called War Selection b/c I saw Wagamama playing it. Theres no vs AI and no matchmaking but the primary mode is FFA with (apparently) up to 30 players.

Its a shitshow and very amusing most of the time, especially since the game is not-awful enough to have a wide range between a hard rush and econ/tech cheese.

It would be a lot shittier of a game if MMR came into play for that mode imo, but not because pubstomping noobs is fun, but because if both of your spawn neighbors decide to rush you you're probably fucked.
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-25 00:24:29
September 25 2020 00:23 GMT
#206889
remember when dotabuff tried to add MMR before dota had MRR and volvo freaked out and shut off API access, that was neat


On September 22 2020 06:13 PassiveAce wrote:
I haven't played subnautica but the studios previous game was a heavily starcraft influenced rts/fps hybrid where you could play as a zergling that can run on walls and ceilings. It was a cool game but I'm glad they moved on to something that actually makes money.

it's so fukin fun, build bases run around explore the ocean
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 25 2020 13:14 GMT
#206890

Lmfao
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
urdsgfdecrys
Profile Joined September 2020
1 Post
September 26 2020 21:45 GMT
#206891
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Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
September 27 2020 06:41 GMT
#206892
Secret is to Dota2 what Mercedes has been to Formula 1 since 2014. I respect their achievements but can they just fuck off a little
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 27 2020 12:05 GMT
#206893
except that u cant just throw more money at the game to play better (yet)
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 27 2020 13:00 GMT
#206894
i still remember navi tearing through everyone post ti 1 for 9months+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
September 27 2020 23:29 GMT
#206895
Welp, the Lions won a game

and vs the cardinals lol
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
September 27 2020 23:41 GMT
#206896
AP legend
also kyler throwing 3 picks lmao
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
September 28 2020 17:04 GMT
#206897


Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
September 29 2020 13:05 GMT
#206898
On September 27 2020 15:41 Slomo wrote:
Secret is to Dota2 what Mercedes has been to Formula 1 since 2014. I respect their achievements but can they just fuck off a little

Just be happy to be witnessing such greatness.

What will you say in 50 years when you grandkids ask you 'Grandpa, what was it like watching Secret destroy everyone back in the 2020 Covid season?'

Will you say 'Eh, I hated them, because they were too good.' or will a tear roll from your eye as you start telling them the story of the best Dota team of all time?

Secret are the best team we've ever seen play Dota by a longshot. How much better they are than all other teams and how consistently they are beating them is unprecedented. Sure, Wings were amazing to watch and OG's back-to-back too of course, but both were kind of miracle one-tournament runs. Secret's form now is different, eight fucking 3-0 grandfinals in a row.
super gg
harodihg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Japan1344 Posts
September 30 2020 20:16 GMT
#206899
not to take away from Secret, nor your post, as their current dominance is pretty strong and great, and Puppey's continued success is in itself a marvel, but I think the history of China's dominance in dota gets extremely overlooked, especially with their falling flat over recent years

in dota 1 times, virtually every global tournament would get DOMINATED by Chinese players. it was a pretty open thing to have teams from EU/NA going into them to even say that they're not competing for first as EHOME or some other power house would be guaranteed to have it

this is kind of what made the magic of the first International such a monumental moment. not only was dota 2 extremely new, made into it's own standalone game, and being backed by Valve, which had a very illustrious reputation at the time, but the prize pool was unheard of for the time being over a million dollars. most people didn't believe it to be real.

that, coupled with the fact that Chinese teams had actual team houses, salaries, and would show up to tournaments with additional people like managers, etc. all in matching jerseys, and had consistently destroyed every other team for years made it so phenomenal to see the usual suspects from EU/NA showing up in jeans, crawling out of local LAN cafes and parents basements to compete, actually do well

when speaking of strictly dominance, Secret's results speak for themselves, but i think the story of Na`Vi, the underdogs of not just a few months, nor a year, but since the incarnation of 'competitive' dota taking on the elite powerhouse chinese super teams that formed and not only holding their own, but picking pudge mid (which wasn't as big of a joke as it is today, but still VERY much considered 'trollish') and WINNING really brought the story home

it's a shame that there's not more information and sources available for the old dota 1 tournament results and dominance of CN available, as i think TI1 is easily one of the coolest events, if not the coolest, that ill ever witness

it reminds me very much of the movie Dodgeball where the Purple Cobras, who were supremely dominant and crushed the competition for years on end showed up in matching uniforms and wound up being taken down by just a motley crew

www.youtube.com
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Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-30 23:14:51
September 30 2020 23:14 GMT
#206900
5 stars for the random dodgeball reference
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
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