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On July 07 2020 19:03 TheEmulator wrote:
Any Soccer fans in here that aren't from North America? I would like to know your opinion on diving/flopping in the sport. I seem to get the feeling that fans specifically from South/Central America and parts of Europe tend to vehemently defend diving, and it's something I truly do not understand. Do note that I understand "why" players take advantage of diving.
From an NA perspective I think that the insane theatrics around diving in the sport is one of the largest deterring factors with regards to growing more interest by quite a bit.
I'm not sure what you mean by 'vehemently defend' diving but it's true that a lot of people accept it to some extent. First of all I think an ideal scenario where diving do not exist is something that almost all fans want. Imo the main issue is that currently as a player you're in quite a disadvantage if you insist on not diving at all.
A lot of referees do not call a foul out if you do not 'go down' at all, lets say player B was fouling player A by repeatedly kicking them, player A is capable of standing through it all however player A choose to intentionally go down because often time the refs wouldn't call a foul if they did not do so (despite it being a foul regardless).
even with VAR (video assistant referee) such scenario still happened very often. In an ideal world referees doesn't make such mistakes but well it is how it is, if you're active in football communities you'd know that referees bashing is a very regular occurrence (most of the time warranted).
As an additional note, I'll give Neymar as an example as he should be pretty infamous to regular people by now. If you watch most of his games you would know that he took few times more abuses from opposing players compared to regular players because of how much of a threat he is, and while his theatrical divings are the ones getting most attention from media the amount of of fouls against him that didn't get called out easily outnumbers it, simply because often times he did decide to stand through the abuses (he's often injured and most of those injuries are caused by other players fouling him). So in his case diving is not just a theatrics (he also does this kind of diving) but also a way to protect himself.
To be clear there are players/teams that dived theatrically without even any contact, I think most fans hate those though.
tl:dr you're in quite a disadvantage if you doesn't dive at all
(I'm from SEA btw)
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On July 06 2020 20:48 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2020 19:09 rabidch wrote:On July 06 2020 18:26 cecek wrote:
Do you think it's safe to say that the FGC esports scene is done? Especially Smash. I don't see who would sponsor any event in the future at all. sponsors follow the numbers. What does that mean? Are the numbers good or bad for FGC esports?
smash is still a very popular series of games, esports or not. i can see competitive ultimate taking a hit due to a combination of personalities getting canceled, covid, and melee rollback, but i cant see this stopping people from playing smash bros casually. what people will second think now is whether they feel safe going to local events in person.
fortunately melee, the 20+ year old game that just doesnt die, now has pretty good rollback netcode and whose personalities hasnt taken a major hit so far. i cant stress show much netcode matters since it lets people not have to go to locals in some smelly venue to get better.
as for traditional fgc, its hard to say since outside japan some games felt like they literally lived and died on EVO which was the primary scandal, but at the same time a lot of the major games like tekken, dbfz, sfv were already holding major events outside EVO albeit with degrees of varying success.
so basically i dont think the canceling thats been going on is going to majorly hurt player/viewer numbers for most games.
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On July 07 2020 19:53 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2020 20:48 cecek wrote:On July 06 2020 19:09 rabidch wrote:On July 06 2020 18:26 cecek wrote:
Do you think it's safe to say that the FGC esports scene is done? Especially Smash. I don't see who would sponsor any event in the future at all. sponsors follow the numbers. What does that mean? Are the numbers good or bad for FGC esports? smash is still a very popular series of games, esports or not. i can see competitive ultimate taking a hit due to a combination of personalities getting canceled, covid, and melee rollback, but i cant see this stopping people from playing smash bros casually. what people will second think now is whether they feel safe going to local events in person. fortunately melee, the 20+ year old game that just doesnt die, now has pretty good rollback netcode and whose personalities hasnt taken a major hit so far. i cant stress show much netcode matters since it lets people not have to go to locals in some smelly venue to get better. as for traditional fgc, its hard to say since outside japan some games felt like they literally lived and died on EVO which was the primary scandal, but at the same time a lot of the major games like tekken, dbfz, sfv were already holding major events outside EVO albeit with degrees of varying success. so basically i dont think the canceling thats been going on is going to majorly hurt player/viewer numbers for most games.
Rollback netcode and all that is cute, but you're not addressing the elephant in the room, which is sponsors. You can't have an esports scene without sponsors. And sponsors have pulled out for FAR FAR less than multiple statutory rapes and pedophilia scandals at events they supported in the past.
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On July 07 2020 19:51 uthgard wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2020 19:03 TheEmulator wrote:
Any Soccer fans in here that aren't from North America? I would like to know your opinion on diving/flopping in the sport. I seem to get the feeling that fans specifically from South/Central America and parts of Europe tend to vehemently defend diving, and it's something I truly do not understand. Do note that I understand "why" players take advantage of diving.
From an NA perspective I think that the insane theatrics around diving in the sport is one of the largest deterring factors with regards to growing more interest by quite a bit. I'm not sure what you mean by 'vehemently defend' diving but it's true that a lot of people accept it to some extent. First of all I think an ideal scenario where diving do not exist is something that almost all fans want. Imo the main issue is that currently as a player you're in quite a disadvantage if you insist on not diving at all. A lot of referees do not call a foul out if you do not 'go down' at all, lets say player B was fouling player A by repeatedly kicking them, player A is capable of standing through it all however player A choose to intentionally go down because often time the refs wouldn't call a foul if they did not do so (despite it being a foul regardless). even with VAR (video assistant referee) such scenario still happened very often. In an ideal world referees doesn't make such mistakes but well it is how it is, if you're active in football communities you'd know that referees bashing is a very regular occurrence (most of the time warranted). As an additional note, I'll give Neymar as an example as he should be pretty infamous to regular people by now. If you watch most of his games you would know that he took few times more abuses from opposing players compared to regular players because of how much of a threat he is, and while his theatrical divings are the ones getting most attention from media the amount of of fouls against him that didn't get called out easily outnumbers it, simply because often times he did decide to stand through the abuses (he's often injured and most of those injuries are caused by other players s tl:dr you're in quite a disadvantage if you doesn't dive at all (I'm from SEA btw)
I appreciate the response. I should say I do understand the logistical reasons behind why players feel obligated to dive. The point about Neymar is something I haven’t really considered before though.
Personally I played soccer for about 10 years (I’m from Canada) and diving was never really a thing. As someone that rarely watches international soccer (usually just the World Cup lol) the prevalence of diving can seem a bit ridiculous at first. Even somewhat jarring/surprising. Would you say international soccer fans in general are possibly just complacent towards diving, and so it seems like a smaller issue overall since they have more exposure towards the sport?
edit: also I probably shouldn’t have said “vehemently defend” in my original post as I’m sure it’s probably just a vocal minority doing so.
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ye I understand. I used to play myself but only between friends and local communities and diving is never really a thing in my games, but yeah in a professional setting the stakes are different and you want to get any advantage you can.
I'm not sure if it's complacency, as I said before fans do notice and overall hate the act of diving itself but they understand/tolerate it to some extent because of the context behind it (not all fans I might add, some hate divings with passion no matter what). If you ask me, the best way to reduce diving is to improve the quality and consistency of refereeing, which imo is a much bigger problem than divings and it is also something that is not as glaring or obvious to casual viewers compared to divings.
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On July 07 2020 19:03 TheEmulator wrote:
Any Soccer fans in here that aren't from North America? I would like to know your opinion on diving/flopping in the sport. I seem to get the feeling that fans specifically from South/Central America and parts of Europe tend to vehemently defend diving, and it's something I truly do not understand. Do note that I understand "why" players take advantage of diving.
From an NA perspective I think that the insane theatrics around diving in the sport is one of the largest deterring factors with regards to growing more interest by quite a bit.
It's part of the game, i dont think people here would call it a "defense" of the resource, is just that, especially in south america, we tend to accept is as just part of the game.
is it shitty? yes, but at the end, is just another resource to achieve what you want.
I mean, if you read old Copa Libertadores stories, you can find some really interesting stuff, like fans going to the hotel where the "enemy" (for a lack of term) team stays and keep them up all night or even poisoning food lol (that's besides the whole buying of referees, especially Independiente de Avellaneda in the 70s. And people kinda accepted it as part of the game.
Those kind of stuff do not happen anymore, but its there.
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I remember in the 2018 world cup I think one of the Belgian players (tall guy with big jewfro) feinted a foul on neymar that fooled him into taking a dive as he drove into the box. Ref didn't call it.
Sometimes being known as a diver can work against you!
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Diving, making faults, is part of the game. I kinda view it like player bashing in hockey or fouls in boxing
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Fighting in hockey is the opposite of diving cuz fans always want more of it
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aye but it's still punishable by the ref if u go too hard
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I view it kinda like Harden Basketball. People don't really like it, but it is accepted as part of the game and isn't going anywhere.
There is also a difference between straight up diving and faking fouls that don't exist, and exagerating contact. The first is more universally hated, but the other is the diference between getting hacked all game and actually getting calls. Often there are fouls in the box that are not called because the players tries to keep playing, but would if he just took it.
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He's already thrown out a video with him saying "hey, look at me, I'm taking hidroxicloroquine and am already feeling better". What an idiot.
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On July 07 2020 20:13 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2020 19:53 rabidch wrote:On July 06 2020 20:48 cecek wrote:On July 06 2020 19:09 rabidch wrote:On July 06 2020 18:26 cecek wrote:
Do you think it's safe to say that the FGC esports scene is done? Especially Smash. I don't see who would sponsor any event in the future at all. sponsors follow the numbers. What does that mean? Are the numbers good or bad for FGC esports? smash is still a very popular series of games, esports or not. i can see competitive ultimate taking a hit due to a combination of personalities getting canceled, covid, and melee rollback, but i cant see this stopping people from playing smash bros casually. what people will second think now is whether they feel safe going to local events in person. fortunately melee, the 20+ year old game that just doesnt die, now has pretty good rollback netcode and whose personalities hasnt taken a major hit so far. i cant stress show much netcode matters since it lets people not have to go to locals in some smelly venue to get better. as for traditional fgc, its hard to say since outside japan some games felt like they literally lived and died on EVO which was the primary scandal, but at the same time a lot of the major games like tekken, dbfz, sfv were already holding major events outside EVO albeit with degrees of varying success. so basically i dont think the canceling thats been going on is going to majorly hurt player/viewer numbers for most games. Rollback netcode and all that is cute, but you're not addressing the elephant in the room, which is sponsors. You can't have an esports scene without sponsors. And sponsors have pulled out for FAR FAR less than multiple statutory rapes and pedophilia scandals at events they supported in the past.
much of smash's scene is driven and organized by grassroots/community funding, especially for melee since it gets no support from its developer. thats why prizepools for smash events have never been very high compared to other games and thats why it hasn't died as a scene. so i'd only be concerned if the community support begins to dry up.
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On July 08 2020 13:04 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2020 20:13 cecek wrote:On July 07 2020 19:53 rabidch wrote:On July 06 2020 20:48 cecek wrote:On July 06 2020 19:09 rabidch wrote:On July 06 2020 18:26 cecek wrote:
Do you think it's safe to say that the FGC esports scene is done? Especially Smash. I don't see who would sponsor any event in the future at all. sponsors follow the numbers. What does that mean? Are the numbers good or bad for FGC esports? smash is still a very popular series of games, esports or not. i can see competitive ultimate taking a hit due to a combination of personalities getting canceled, covid, and melee rollback, but i cant see this stopping people from playing smash bros casually. what people will second think now is whether they feel safe going to local events in person. fortunately melee, the 20+ year old game that just doesnt die, now has pretty good rollback netcode and whose personalities hasnt taken a major hit so far. i cant stress show much netcode matters since it lets people not have to go to locals in some smelly venue to get better. as for traditional fgc, its hard to say since outside japan some games felt like they literally lived and died on EVO which was the primary scandal, but at the same time a lot of the major games like tekken, dbfz, sfv were already holding major events outside EVO albeit with degrees of varying success. so basically i dont think the canceling thats been going on is going to majorly hurt player/viewer numbers for most games. Rollback netcode and all that is cute, but you're not addressing the elephant in the room, which is sponsors. You can't have an esports scene without sponsors. And sponsors have pulled out for FAR FAR less than multiple statutory rapes and pedophilia scandals at events they supported in the past. much of smash's scene is driven and organized by grassroots/community funding, especially for melee since it gets no support from its developer. thats why prizepools for smash events have never been very high compared to other games and thats why it hasn't died as a scene. so i'd only be concerned if the community support begins to dry up.
Are these really the only big tournaments in Melee?  Major Tournaments/Melee
Damn, I thought there was more money in that scene. A little over $100k in all of 2019?
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On July 08 2020 16:38 cecek wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2020 13:04 rabidch wrote:On July 07 2020 20:13 cecek wrote:On July 07 2020 19:53 rabidch wrote:On July 06 2020 20:48 cecek wrote:On July 06 2020 19:09 rabidch wrote:On July 06 2020 18:26 cecek wrote:
Do you think it's safe to say that the FGC esports scene is done? Especially Smash. I don't see who would sponsor any event in the future at all. sponsors follow the numbers. What does that mean? Are the numbers good or bad for FGC esports? smash is still a very popular series of games, esports or not. i can see competitive ultimate taking a hit due to a combination of personalities getting canceled, covid, and melee rollback, but i cant see this stopping people from playing smash bros casually. what people will second think now is whether they feel safe going to local events in person. fortunately melee, the 20+ year old game that just doesnt die, now has pretty good rollback netcode and whose personalities hasnt taken a major hit so far. i cant stress show much netcode matters since it lets people not have to go to locals in some smelly venue to get better. as for traditional fgc, its hard to say since outside japan some games felt like they literally lived and died on EVO which was the primary scandal, but at the same time a lot of the major games like tekken, dbfz, sfv were already holding major events outside EVO albeit with degrees of varying success. so basically i dont think the canceling thats been going on is going to majorly hurt player/viewer numbers for most games. Rollback netcode and all that is cute, but you're not addressing the elephant in the room, which is sponsors. You can't have an esports scene without sponsors. And sponsors have pulled out for FAR FAR less than multiple statutory rapes and pedophilia scandals at events they supported in the past. much of smash's scene is driven and organized by grassroots/community funding, especially for melee since it gets no support from its developer. thats why prizepools for smash events have never been very high compared to other games and thats why it hasn't died as a scene. so i'd only be concerned if the community support begins to dry up. Are these really the only big tournaments in Melee? Major Tournaments/MeleeDamn, I thought there was more money in that scene. A little over $100k in all of 2019?
another thing is that probably all traditional fgc would have even lower than that if they didnt have the developer pumping money into the prizepools. for the most part it was already unsustainable with just sponsors.
it wouldnt nearly be as bad if capcom didnt lay an egg with sfv
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When I heard the smash scene was having issues, my first thought was "how are there that many people playing melee still?". I uh, kinda forgot that they made newer ones.
(I still rather enjoy melee, but I'm so awful at it).
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On July 07 2020 19:03 TheEmulator wrote:
Any Soccer fans in here that aren't from North America? I would like to know your opinion on diving/flopping in the sport. I seem to get the feeling that fans specifically from South/Central America and parts of Europe tend to vehemently defend diving, and it's something I truly do not understand. Do note that I understand "why" players take advantage of diving.
From an NA perspective I think that the insane theatrics around diving in the sport is one of the largest deterring factors with regards to growing more interest by quite a bit.
I don't like diving but part of the game. What really pissed me off, is when some body commit a hard foul and then tries to tell ref and rest of stadium that the other player dived or overreacted. And that is considered acceptable behaviour. Wish that also was a yellow card.
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Who is the sensie of juggernut?
In battle Juggernut says: sensie!
Introducing: Watumi
Storyline: in the island of isle sensie abandon hes student juggernut sensie. watumi victim of the era battle of war he himself victim of that war protecting orb nero sphere (water skills attribute) an ancient ruin an item posses power secret from the era of warriors and samurai from balance of hatred and anger fought by war.
Skills of watumi
1. Tranquility of water
2. Art of No path
3. Stable center of Peace
4. Sphere of attack
5. Spirit of formless water
6. Art of war (upgrade item orb of nero)
Idea of attack skill of watumi
When watumi attack to opponent hero cleave then gain 3 stack on then throws his skill no. 3. To the allied hero gain health plus to the number stack by opponent the orb of nero nero from the greek word water upgrade by the skill no. 6 watumi minus the health of allied hero he gain plus attack of the minus decrease of health in condition of each hero only percentage addition to the attack skill no.4 watumi omnislash after he throws his no.3 and gain damage to number he gain to the stack equal to the opponent.
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