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Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
July 03 2020 06:51 GMT
#206461
“Just how dangerous is he?”

“Compared to hwhat the bubonic plague?”


+ Show Spoiler +
Sorry I had to.
Skol
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 03 2020 09:01 GMT
#206462
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53273923

Social media platform Twitter is dropping the terms "master", "slave" and "blacklist" in favour of more inclusive language.

The terms are frequently used in programming codes which originated decades ago.


what a bizarre day
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 03 2020 09:10 GMT
#206463
On July 03 2020 18:01 rabidch wrote:
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53273923

Show nested quote +
Social media platform Twitter is dropping the terms "master", "slave" and "blacklist" in favour of more inclusive language.

The terms are frequently used in programming codes which originated decades ago.


what a bizarre day

This is amazing. Huge strides were made in the name of equality. I applaud Twitter for this bravery.
super gg
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 09:38:10
July 03 2020 09:29 GMT
#206464
I’ve never seen slave used in programming tbh. Master is extremely common, but I’ve never thought of racism/slavery when changing my projects branch before. Although I do say that as a privileged white person I guess...

I know GitHub and a few other common software companies are changing that terminology as well.

Blacklist/whitelist is kind of understandable though. Either way these changes aren’t what the world needs lmao.
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
July 03 2020 09:55 GMT
#206465
Virtue signalling depends on the context.
A gesture by company X could be that while Y doing it can be in line with their public and internal stance.
passive quaranstream fan
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 03 2020 10:13 GMT
#206466
I'm glad i was alive to witness such changes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 11:17:28
July 03 2020 11:14 GMT
#206467
On July 03 2020 18:29 TheEmulator wrote:
I’ve never seen slave used in programming tbh. Master is extremely common, but I’ve never thought of racism/slavery when changing my projects branch before. Although I do say that as a privileged white person I guess...

I know GitHub and a few other common software companies are changing that terminology as well.

Blacklist/whitelist is kind of understandable though. Either way these changes aren’t what the world needs lmao.

master/slave is mostly used in bus programming and some terminology used for replication of data in hard drives or databases etc. as a kid i remember changing PATA hard drives on my family computer that required master/slave selections
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32754 Posts
July 03 2020 13:30 GMT
#206468
Will there be demands to alter Hegel and Nietzsche because they used master-slave dialectic and master-slave morality? I suggest if you were attempting to be more inclusive, taking a harder line against trolls and extremists on your platform is more effective.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 13:47:04
July 03 2020 13:39 GMT
#206469
Protestors: reform the police please

Corporate America: we heard you, and after much internal debate and reflection we have decided to censor the episode of 30 Rock where Jenna does blackface

Idiots on Twitter: such progress!
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
July 03 2020 14:56 GMT
#206470
On July 03 2020 22:30 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Will there be demands to alter Hegel and Nietzsche because they used master-slave dialectic and master-slave morality? I suggest if you were attempting to be more inclusive, taking a harder line against trolls and extremists on your platform is more effective.

Will the alteration of Hegel make a difference to his works?
Will the minuscule change to how things are called in code ( if that's what it is?) Make a difference to the programmes?

It's nothing game changing and maybe even unnecessary, but I think your comparison is severely lacking because these things are from an entirely different context.
Inanimate lines of code Vs analysis of human behaviour who wield different power.
The one is more or less necessary to describe the context and the other seems to me to be an arbitrary name.

Is it an excuse for Twitter to do less about actually getting their platform under control? No. Is it worth the resources dedicated to it? I'd rather see it in diversity management or moderator qualification or a dedicated fact checking staff.
passive quaranstream fan
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 15:27:07
July 03 2020 15:24 GMT
#206471
To clarify, I don't feel strongly one way or another about removing media with characters doing blackface from streaming services. I'm just annoyed that the corporate responses to weeks of protests against police brutality are so off the mark.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 15:50:09
July 03 2020 15:34 GMT
#206472
Removing the episodes is dumb. Feel like you should keep them up and add a little note being like "we think this is bad, it's a thing we did" or whatever, like they do with old super racist disney shit.

I think removing explicit use of "slave" is good? Like, it always felt weird when I saw master/slave in database land. I've never thought about the use of "master" on its own in git before this recent thing tho.

I agree that there's a lot of protestors demanding real change and companies offering pretty weak nonsense in response.


passive in other news PUP, along with some other great artists (Lucy Dacus who is *not* a punk artist, some others) all tweeted a link to this punk album on soundcloud that apparently whipped super fucking hard (it was called occult classic? but not the band that put out an album in 2015) and then after 12 hours they took down the link (on purpose, building hype) and I didn't get to listen to it and i want to listen so fukin bad
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 03 2020 16:01 GMT
#206473
I heard something about that? Someone must have ripped it right??
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
July 03 2020 16:23 GMT
#206474
On July 04 2020 01:01 PassiveAce wrote:
I heard something about that? Someone must have ripped it right??

i can't find it anywhere even on private trackers and i'm losing my mind
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TL+ Member
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
July 03 2020 16:45 GMT
#206475
On July 03 2020 20:14 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2020 18:29 TheEmulator wrote:
I’ve never seen slave used in programming tbh. Master is extremely common, but I’ve never thought of racism/slavery when changing my projects branch before. Although I do say that as a privileged white person I guess...

I know GitHub and a few other common software companies are changing that terminology as well.

Blacklist/whitelist is kind of understandable though. Either way these changes aren’t what the world needs lmao.

master/slave is mostly used in bus programming and some terminology used for replication of data in hard drives or databases etc. as a kid i remember changing PATA hard drives on my family computer that required master/slave selections

Databases was an optional class at my uni. Never really went too deep into anything hard drive related either. That’s interesting to hear though.
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 03 2020 17:12 GMT
#206476
On July 04 2020 01:23 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2020 01:01 PassiveAce wrote:
I heard something about that? Someone must have ripped it right??

i can't find it anywhere even on private trackers and i'm losing my mind

Yeh it's not on any torrent sites as far as I can tell. What's going on lol
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2807 Posts
July 03 2020 18:09 GMT
#206477
On July 03 2020 20:14 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 03 2020 18:29 TheEmulator wrote:
I’ve never seen slave used in programming tbh. Master is extremely common, but I’ve never thought of racism/slavery when changing my projects branch before. Although I do say that as a privileged white person I guess...

I know GitHub and a few other common software companies are changing that terminology as well.

Blacklist/whitelist is kind of understandable though. Either way these changes aren’t what the world needs lmao.

master/slave is mostly used in bus programming and some terminology used for replication of data in hard drives or databases etc. as a kid i remember changing PATA hard drives on my family computer that required master/slave selections


Yeh, I remember changing the configuration of the pins on the back of those HDDs haha.

As for master/slave I don't see how banning those terms helps anything at all. Whitelist/blacklist I get because there's a clear good/bad separation, but slavery isn't inherently racist afaik, and I get kinda antzy when language moves towards avoiding use of words because of fear. Obviously if the word/words offend some group of people (which might be the case here) then get 'em out and no harm done.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-07-03 21:23:59
July 03 2020 19:21 GMT
#206478
On July 04 2020 01:23 eieio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2020 01:01 PassiveAce wrote:
I heard something about that? Someone must have ripped it right??

i can't find it anywhere even on private trackers and i'm losing my mind

Unrelated-but-related news

Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
eieio
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States14512 Posts
July 03 2020 22:31 GMT
#206479
On July 04 2020 04:21 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2020 01:23 eieio wrote:
On July 04 2020 01:01 PassiveAce wrote:
I heard something about that? Someone must have ripped it right??

i can't find it anywhere even on private trackers and i'm losing my mind

Unrelated-but-related news

https://twitter.com/puptheband/status/1278950351526395907

yeah i listened this morning, p good!

keep thinking about seeing them right after morbid stuff came out, incredible show
LiquidDota Staff
TL+ Member
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 05 2020 01:57 GMT
#206480
u s a u s a
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