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Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
February 07 2020 13:05 GMT
#204701
Isn't the whole point of Viper the AoE break?
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Maverick_2009
Profile Joined December 2014
Somewhere2002 Posts
February 07 2020 13:35 GMT
#204702
I rmb firebolt the mk abuser
https://www.twitch.tv/deso_739
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
February 07 2020 14:06 GMT
#204703
firebolt

the mod and mk abuser
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
February 07 2020 14:12 GMT
#204704
On February 07 2020 22:05 Slomo wrote:
Isn't the whole point of Viper the AoE break?

Kind of. But he's also good vs heroes that relies heavily on Bkb and hate being slowed like Sven, ursa and naix
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-07 14:27:34
February 07 2020 14:24 GMT
#204705
I just saw the reddit post that only 18 teams registered for open EU quals. Can we get the TLIH band together and register until 18 CET?
We might end up playing vs 2xTI winners.

EDIT: I just want to fulfill my dream of killing sumail in a game of dotes2.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
February 07 2020 15:18 GMT
#204706
Hah I forgot about MK - apparently I went on a 10 game win streak with that hero, shit was broken
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
February 07 2020 15:25 GMT
#204707
On February 07 2020 23:12 Rocket-Bear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2020 22:05 Slomo wrote:
Isn't the whole point of Viper the AoE break?

Kind of. But he's also good vs heroes that relies heavily on Bkb and hate being slowed like Sven, ursa and naix

actually id 100% pick naix into viper if asked cuz ur just so fast that u don't actually care + free bkb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-07 15:35:08
February 07 2020 15:34 GMT
#204708
I don't think anything will ever be as strong as earth spirit on release. That 1400 range no-LOS instastun netted me a loooooot of unearned wins
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7731 Posts
February 07 2020 16:05 GMT
#204709
Do you build Void Spirit for magic or attack dmg?
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
Faruko
Profile Joined April 2013
Chile34173 Posts
February 07 2020 16:19 GMT
#204710
coroNAVIrus
Ross was right // "Jesus Christ nahaz is doing shots before my eyes" (Sn0_Man, 2018)
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
February 07 2020 16:36 GMT
#204711
Dendis new team is playing against the russian talent stack KBU now in the CIS open quals. Should be a fun stomp.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
February 07 2020 16:58 GMT
#204712
On February 08 2020 00:34 PassiveAce wrote:
I don't think anything will ever be as strong as earth spirit on release. That 1400 range no-LOS instastun netted me a loooooot of unearned wins

mk when his jump didnt make a sound?
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
February 07 2020 17:34 GMT
#204713
Centaur when ult was changed and it stunned you

Nothing else quite compared to that
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34501 Posts
February 07 2020 17:35 GMT
#204714
On February 08 2020 01:05 PoulsenB wrote:
Do you build Void Spirit for magic or attack dmg?

I tend to go some combination of Orchids / Kaya / Bloodstone / BKB / Linkens
Occasionally Euls if I need it defensively
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-08 05:22:55
February 07 2020 21:09 GMT
#204715
On February 08 2020 01:58 teddyoojo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2020 00:34 PassiveAce wrote:
I don't think anything will ever be as strong as earth spirit on release. That 1400 range no-LOS instastun netted me a loooooot of unearned wins

mk when his jump didnt make a sound?

cant u still do that by targeting way beyond ur range
u cant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
February 08 2020 06:34 GMT
#204716
Drow ranger when her aura was first reworked was some busted shit
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
gaymon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany1023 Posts
February 08 2020 09:20 GMT
#204717
I refuse to believe any hero was better than release ES (instant 1k range stun and like 2x the dmg on every spell) or release MK (infinite jinguduration, armorignoring lifesteal), only close one is Cent with stunning ult.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-08 10:55:30
February 08 2020 10:54 GMT
#204718
kunkka was also broken on release but the game was a lot more casual and everybody sucked back then.

also spectre for one version had a dispersion that had a chance to reflect damage to an aoe around her with a mini stun effect that also applied to illusions. nobody knew how to play dota back then but one thing i remember is she canceled every single channel damage ability and had a chance to reflect nukes like finger of death (aoe nukes on illusions had a random chance to compeltely kill you). then it was changed to be like today's dispersion except pure damage and except damage wasnt split and this lasted for years

can you believe that
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
PoulsenB
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland7731 Posts
February 08 2020 11:39 GMT
#204719
It's almost like dota is full of broken heroes and abilities
IdrA fan forever <3 || the clueless one || Marci must be protected at all costs
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-08 12:09:40
February 08 2020 12:08 GMT
#204720
On February 08 2020 19:54 rabidch wrote:
kunkka was also broken on release but the game was a lot more casual and everybody sucked back then.

also spectre for one version had a dispersion that had a chance to reflect damage to an aoe around her with a mini stun effect that also applied to illusions. nobody knew how to play dota back then but one thing i remember is she canceled every single channel damage ability and had a chance to reflect nukes like finger of death (aoe nukes on illusions had a random chance to compeltely kill you). then it was changed to be like today's dispersion except pure damage and except damage wasnt split and this lasted for years

can you believe that



rip qwerty

Naga sleep also used to not apply to buildings. So you could just go highground, sleep and take a lane of rax. But everybody was shit at the game, so it didn't matter. :D
super gg
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