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Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 26 2014 19:35 GMT
#1681
honestly i think this might make aggro tris come back some, because you can definitely shut some carries the fuck out
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
SoylentGamer
Profile Joined August 2014
United States250 Posts
September 26 2014 19:35 GMT
#1682
Earthshaker is going to hard, hard counter PL now, really. Gold change allows him to wipe a farmed PL and grab items to buff his ulti even more. I can't wait to try this out. >:3
CK is the strongest hero in all of Dota 2, lore wise.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 26 2014 19:36 GMT
#1683
On September 27 2014 04:32 Plansix wrote:
I think we will see more focused efforts to bring down towers

Ummm, what dota have you been watching since TI4 and what patchnotes did you read?
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
SoylentGamer
Profile Joined August 2014
United States250 Posts
September 26 2014 19:37 GMT
#1684
On September 27 2014 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 04:32 Plansix wrote:
I think we will see more focused efforts to bring down towers

Ummm, what dota have you been watching since TI4 and what patchnotes did you read?

For once I agree with you. Bulldozing towers has been the meta for awhile lol
CK is the strongest hero in all of Dota 2, lore wise.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 19:39:39
September 26 2014 19:38 GMT
#1685
On September 27 2014 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 04:32 Plansix wrote:
I think we will see more focused efforts to bring down towers

Ummm, what dota have you been watching since TI4 and what patchnotes did you read?

I mean specific towers to deny lanes, not just the "yo, any tower we can get".
On September 27 2014 04:35 Shaella wrote:
honestly i think this might make aggro tris come back some, because you can definitely shut some carries the fuck out


I wouldn't mind seeing that. It might be less of the "any tower we can get" and more of "this teir one on the safe lane needs to fucking die".
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
September 26 2014 19:42 GMT
#1686
LOL PL is fucking broken. Go mid and spam lance. Use W like a pseudo blink to farm NC camps. You have max illusions in like less than 1.5s with lance and W in every fight. Go heart after diffusal, don't go greedy yasha. You will need the survivability to fight head on.

Well except ES counter.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
September 26 2014 19:43 GMT
#1687
On September 27 2014 04:42 babysimba wrote:
LOL PL is fucking broken. Go mid and spam lance. Use W like a pseudo blink to farm NC camps. You have max illusions in like less than 1.5s with lance and W in every fight. Go heart after diffusal, don't go greedy yasha. You will need the survivability to fight head on.

Well except ES counter.

15 cat diffusal is magical.,
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
SoylentGamer
Profile Joined August 2014
United States250 Posts
September 26 2014 19:43 GMT
#1688
On September 27 2014 04:42 babysimba wrote:
LOL PL is fucking broken. Go mid and spam lance. Use W like a pseudo blink to farm NC camps. You have max illusions in like less than 1.5s with lance and W in every fight. Go heart after diffusal, don't go greedy yasha. You will need the survivability to fight head on.

Well except ES counter.

shaker ults wipes and gets 6 slots because of gold change. PL is nothing.
CK is the strongest hero in all of Dota 2, lore wise.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 26 2014 19:45 GMT
#1689
Wouldn't KotL or any other high damage AOE spam support give him a rough time? Of course once he has heart he is the fucking devil, but before that he is made of glass.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 26 2014 19:47 GMT
#1690
On September 27 2014 04:45 Plansix wrote:
Wouldn't KotL or any other high damage AOE spam support give him a rough time? Of course once he has heart he is the fucking devil, but before that he is made of glass.

? no he just makes more illusions instantly

Its not like old PL where u cared about ur illusions cuz they made more and lasted or w/e, this PL makes and loses multiple illusions per second basically.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
September 26 2014 19:47 GMT
#1691
And with the increased power of pick offs, maybe we will see more storm and Puck. Those two are so good and so awesome with gold.

Both of these heroes should be stronger in this meta due to their ability to consistently get to runes from mid and as well as their ability to escape/survive and not feed massive amounts of lead gold. Especially Puck. Dondo puck coming back bigger than ever boyyyyyys
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
SoylentGamer
Profile Joined August 2014
United States250 Posts
September 26 2014 19:51 GMT
#1692
On September 27 2014 04:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 04:45 Plansix wrote:
Wouldn't KotL or any other high damage AOE spam support give him a rough time? Of course once he has heart he is the fucking devil, but before that he is made of glass.

? no he just makes more illusions instantly

Its not like old PL where u cared about ur illusions cuz they made more and lasted or w/e, this PL makes and loses multiple illusions per second basically.

Just echo slam and kill them all including real PL.
CK is the strongest hero in all of Dota 2, lore wise.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
September 26 2014 19:52 GMT
#1693
The problem is you can be behind and still win comfortably. You have the option of split pushing or flash farm nc camps. Once you get diffusal and heart before 25mins, you are pretty unstoppable in teamfights. And it takes like only 450 gpm?

No more bum rushing tier 1 towers strat has a pretty big impact on late game carries. Spectre is pretty OP in this patch too with the ability to haunt buyback and gain back shit tons of gold from kills.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 26 2014 19:53 GMT
#1694
On September 27 2014 04:47 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
And with the increased power of pick offs, maybe we will see more storm and Puck. Those two are so good and so awesome with gold.

Both of these heroes should be stronger in this meta due to their ability to consistently get to runes from mid and as well as their ability to escape/survive and not feed massive amounts of lead gold. Especially Puck. Dondo puck coming back bigger than ever boyyyyyys

Big puck plays are the best plays. Sheep stick, euls or shivas puck is awesome with her super plinky attack animation. I can dream about her no longer being some offlane bitch that is just supposed to get a blink dagger and suffer.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
SoylentGamer
Profile Joined August 2014
United States250 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-26 20:03:31
September 26 2014 20:00 GMT
#1695
just waiting to see that trolly purple wisp permasleeping me. We all know icefraud is going to do this soon.
CK is the strongest hero in all of Dota 2, lore wise.
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
September 26 2014 20:17 GMT
#1696
On September 27 2014 04:21 FHDH wrote:
Why do people talk about a BKB nerf? It was nerfed in what percent of situations?


The situations where Haunt actually becomes scary as fuck.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
September 26 2014 20:34 GMT
#1697
I don't want to see icefraud revert the bounty changes, but directly nerf some of these late game carries. I think it's a step in the right direction to force more fights. But not when a team can turtle or camp behind a carry and wait for him to come online.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 26 2014 20:36 GMT
#1698
I think that making fights a negative EV situation for the team in control of the game is distinctly not "a step in the right direction to force more fights" and I further submit that people suggesting otherwise are not thinking about this intelligently.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
Nymzee
Profile Joined June 2013
3929 Posts
September 26 2014 20:37 GMT
#1699
haunt > refresher > haunt on a 6 slotted spectre

this is why the word nightmare was coined :D
SoylentGamer
Profile Joined August 2014
United States250 Posts
September 26 2014 20:37 GMT
#1700
The bounty system punishes a well farmed winning carry getting caught out or overaggressive.
CK is the strongest hero in all of Dota 2, lore wise.
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