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PassiveAce
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actually watching tv is for old people. | ||
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Interestingly, the combined online viewing figure for 18-24-year-olds (1 hour and 54 minutes, to be exact) is down from Q1 consumption (2 hours and 32 minutes combined), although it’s slightly up from 1 hour and 45 minutes at the same time last year. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/03CjYRZ.png) + Show Spoiler + http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/465460-the-imperative-feeling-to-legitimize-esports-aa | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:22 PassiveAce wrote: I dont have any friends that would prefer to watch dota on tv rather then on any other device. I dont think any of my friends but my gf actually has a tv. actually watching tv is for old people. They already have you watching their events and their games. They want to convert one audience and gain the acceptance of another: 1. convert mainstream gamers to be interested and favour competitive gaming and 2. convert the mainstream audience which still holds a strong viewing habit on television; "cultural impact." There is a symbolism to television, despite its declining numbers in viewership. On August 24 2014 07:24 PassiveAce wrote: thank god for graphs Didn't know if you wanted to debate with anecdotes of my friends and families or graphs. | ||
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Shaella
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Is that TV is for old people. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:25 Shaella wrote: Torte what you're not getting Is that TV is for old people. To Summarize: + Show Spoiler +
Not to say that this is the exact discussion I wanted to get out of the piece I wrote, but it pretty much is haha | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:28 Shaella wrote: Ok but the people who give a shit about video games don't watch TV I would say that is becoming increasingly true as time goes on but 1. people and businesses still watch and rely on tv to reach their target demographic (both in content and advertising) and 2. you're speaking on a North-American basis which is culturally a bit too narrow. | ||
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Bisu-Fan
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Tell the snipers to get armlet and we all good | ||
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PassiveAce
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I think the current audience would almost completely ignore it except maybe for novelty value. | ||
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On August 24 2014 07:32 PassiveAce wrote: im just not convinced it would draw in enough of an audience to justify the expense. the current audience would almost completely ignore it except maybe for novelty value. Now we're making headway in a legitimate discussion! I think the cost is something to inspect more as in what would cost to create a deal with major networks (national and/or American) and I think the long-term value in terms of advertising and sponsors could definitely set new trails for eSports businesses. It's something to establish in the long-run. As advertisers move towards online livestream to target their audience, we should consider additions to television to reach out to their advertisers who are still dated in their understanding of current generation watchers and trends. | ||
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PassiveAce
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I really think that the vast majority of the potential audience for esports in general is aware of, and would prefer online viewing. I have absolutely nothing to back up anything im saying. | ||
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PassiveAce
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maybe your right, and there still is some life left in tv and pitching it to advertisers who have yet to move into the future has real value. the graph you posted earlier seems to suggest that. But my personal prediction is that the value of the two mediums is going to undergo some sort of terrorblade ult shit in the not-too-distant future. | ||
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If we look at advertising for game products from developers, we're seeing a major shift towards youtube and access to content-creators so there is a strong truth that television is dying down, especially with how much more direct the internet is. But I think disregarding it now is a bit presumptuous of how far we've reached in terms of both online content and eSports. I think the cultural significance of television especially on a national level (think Swedish and Finland who already broadcast DreamHack events as well as Korea/China who broadcast eSports and it is integral with their culture and national identity both within and from an outside perspective) and its ability to convince those of older generations, especially those in business power is not something to ignore when it is, overall, a good opportunity to consider. It's something to consider as alternative options while simultaneously still doing the two main forms of interacting with fans: online streaming and direct interaction via mainstream gaming conventions. Sorry to advertise again, but my full opinion is here  http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/dota-2-general/465460-the-imperative-feeling-to-legitimize-esports-aaBut that was basically the gist of it, the rest is merely adding context. Think what having eSports on television offers for current businesses, coming advertisers and especially pro gaming careers. What it may heighten but also hinder. | ||
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makmeatt
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On August 24 2014 07:54 Torte de Lini wrote: But that was basically the gist of it, the rest is merely adding context. Think what having eSports on television offers for current businesses, coming advertisers and especially pro gaming careers. What it may heighten but also hinder. Pretty sure is that what some of us are afraid of is that this whole esports fluff will strip gaming of the genuine fun and deep enjoyment of time spent playing competitive games and replace them with mediocrity and tiring noise. You think of popularity as a resource, when it turns out that it's becoming just an arms race for money and viewership. If you never tried any serious competition, it's easy to dismiss the fact that nobody cares about it anymore when it's obvious that this is what spawned us and drove us for years - and now it's missing. Whether that's good or bad is not a discussable matter, but using such solid statements on a subject that everybody sees differently is just asking for being scoffed at. | ||
Chewbacca.
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On August 24 2014 07:28 Shaella wrote: Ok but the people who give a shit about video games don't watch TV I give a shit about video games but I watch a lot of TV between the NFL/MLB/PGA/Game of Thrones | ||
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On August 24 2014 08:12 makmeatt wrote: Pretty sure is that what some of us are afraid of is that this whole esports fluff will strip gaming of the genuine fun and deep enjoyment of time spent playing competitive games and replace them with mediocrity and tiring noise. You think of popularity as a resource, when it turns out that it's becoming just an arms race for money and viewership. If you never tried any serious competition, it's easy to dismiss the fact that nobody cares about it anymore when it's obvious that this is what spawned us and drove us for years - and now it's missing. Whether that's good or bad is not a discussable matter, but using such solid statements on a subject that everybody sees differently is just asking for being scoffed at. Oh, I consider that a real fear that the past has taught us many times over. But it's also a denial of coming changes. If/When TV dies you don't think old habits will try to be incorporated in current content found on television? A lot of the constraints will be removed but the practices will probably take awhile. I think its a fear of change and fear of what's unchanged. We fear how eSports will change to satisfy everyone (current fans and skeptical newcomers) while also fearing how television has remained, in various ways, unchanged and more and more akin to the interests of coming generations. I welcome discussion regardless if its just dismissal (as how this whole discussion started) On August 24 2014 08:15 Chewbacca. wrote: I give a shit about video games but I watch a lot of TV between the NFL/MLB/PGA/Game of Thrones On a personal note, I don't care about television; I haven't used one in maybe 2-3 years? But I watch a lot of what is produced on television and still value it pretty highly when someone tells me they'll be on television. | ||
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