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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 22 2012 17:35 GMT
#5381
GG

thats why you get BKB
WriterXiao8~~
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 22 2012 17:36 GMT
#5382
oh man, some questionable decision by AM... chasing lion/chen couple time and left his team in the smoke break with riki -_-...
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
not jack
Profile Joined February 2012
123 Posts
March 22 2012 17:36 GMT
#5383
Teamfight at dire ancients was super impressive, that one was kind of a faceroll.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 17:38:12
March 22 2012 17:37 GMT
#5384
Am can't stand the autoattacks from navi, so the only way he could win the game is by killing lion and chen and then fight 3v5
fighting against wr/sa/bm would just have been even worse.
imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
March 22 2012 17:39 GMT
#5385
am with no bkb cant do shit.. disable to death
KMK,Qri,GsD#1, UEE,stork jangbi for life!
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 22 2012 17:41 GMT
#5386
chasing a lion with ghost scepter as AM is always questionable imo after that fight lion is 80% HP, chen wr is like 10 HP each -_-... also the chen chasing at the first rosh made the game completely 1 sided....

LODA PLS!!!

also, i didnt catch the ban pick phase, anyone explain why AM and invoker went through?
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
March 22 2012 17:43 GMT
#5387
On March 23 2012 02:41 NB wrote:
chasing a lion with ghost scepter as AM is always questionable imo after that fight lion is 80% HP, chen wr is like 10 HP each -_-... also the chen chasing at the first rosh made the game completely 1 sided....

LODA PLS!!!

also, i didnt catch the ban pick phase, anyone explain why AM and invoker went through?

Cause navi doesn't give a damn about hero that they can easily counter?

He could never fight wr/sa/bm when lion would still hex him and chen would heal them all. He did the best thing he could do.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 22 2012 17:49 GMT
#5388
On March 23 2012 01:03 Kipsate wrote:
Thoughts on Sniper?I feel like he is very strong against pushes, his shrapnel can also complement pushing and he outrange can towers. His shrapnel, once cast will also deal damage to the tower regardless if you want it or not(think one click of Dragon knight green dragon or Pugna blast) making it great for sieging. its impossible to push t3s against a sniper unless you have a huge advantage though.

However he is easily gankable and needs some pretty good farm, aswell as if he gets caught out in a teamfight(ravage/Sand King ultimate etc) he dies very fast in teamfights. Lategame however he can be very scary if he gets the farm.

Any reason why he isn't picked up more in Dota 2?

also Harassasinate is hilarious against supports.

too fragile, no escape mechanisms. only works in games where the opposing team's lanes are weak :/
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 17:57:21
March 22 2012 17:52 GMT
#5389
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/r8bmz/erictams_valve_developer_on_dota_2s_matchmaking/

this has a lot of good insight on the current development of MM system in dota2

On March 23 2012 02:49 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 01:03 Kipsate wrote:
Thoughts on Sniper?I feel like he is very strong against pushes, his shrapnel can also complement pushing and he outrange can towers. His shrapnel, once cast will also deal damage to the tower regardless if you want it or not(think one click of Dragon knight green dragon or Pugna blast) making it great for sieging. its impossible to push t3s against a sniper unless you have a huge advantage though.

However he is easily gankable and needs some pretty good farm, aswell as if he gets caught out in a teamfight(ravage/Sand King ultimate etc) he dies very fast in teamfights. Lategame however he can be very scary if he gets the farm.

Any reason why he isn't picked up more in Dota 2?

also Harassasinate is hilarious against supports.

too fragile, no escape mechanisms. only works in games where the opposing team's lanes are weak :/


isnt the chinese VOD you posted earlier on lycan has a sniper in it? was that a special line up or smthing?
but yeah, i never like traxex, sniper or most of the A move agi carry with 0 escape spells -_-

On a side note: i think icefrog isnt asian http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/r7h4k/iama_guy_who_does_quality_assurance_for_one_of/c43n36p
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 17:58:00
March 22 2012 17:57 GMT
#5390
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/TheMaelk

Maelk is casting Itsgosu vs Darer if anyone is interested aswell.
WriterXiao8~~
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 18:32:28
March 22 2012 18:25 GMT
#5391
On March 23 2012 02:52 NB wrote:
isnt the chinese VOD you posted earlier on lycan has a sniper in it? was that a special line up or smthing?
but yeah, i never like traxex, sniper or most of the A move agi carry with 0 escape spells -_-

That VOD was actually an excellent display of Sniper's problems. Burning got off to an excellent start in lane, and got a very solid item advantage. The problem came around the point of midgame teamfights--Sniper's presence isn't that huge, and if his supports just get blown up, there's not really a whole lot that he can do other than just run away.



This game illustrates the type of teamcomp I feel Sniper requires. DK picked a lot of high-quality supporting power early (ES+AA), and had a LOT of disables to back up the Sniper pick and keep him safe (Slardar+AA+ES+Lion--everyone other than Sniper has disables/utility). If you need lategame damage, Sniper has plenty of it, but you pretty much have to have ALL your other bases covered in order to be able to support him.
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MaV_gGSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1345 Posts
March 22 2012 18:31 GMT
#5392
Does anyone else hate how some skills go through BKB? for example, pit lords aoe stun disables your movement.. I don't mind if ulties disable it (such as pudge and magnataur)
Life's good :D
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 22 2012 18:33 GMT
#5393
Listening to Maelk and Pusher-Street fight about the game on stream is great.
Jieun <3
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 22 2012 18:36 GMT
#5394
On March 23 2012 03:25 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 02:52 NB wrote:
isnt the chinese VOD you posted earlier on lycan has a sniper in it? was that a special line up or smthing?
but yeah, i never like traxex, sniper or most of the A move agi carry with 0 escape spells -_-

That VOD was actually an excellent display of Sniper's problems. Burning got off to an excellent start in lane, and got a very solid item advantage. The problem came around the point of midgame teamfights--Sniper's presence isn't that huge, and if his supports just get blown up, there's not really a whole lot that he can do other than just run away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oErr7nYZqb4

This game illustrates the type of teamcomp I feel Sniper requires. DK picked a lot of high-quality supporting power early (ES+AA), and had a LOT of disables to back up the Sniper pick and keep him safe (Slardar+AA+ES+Lion--everyone other than Sniper has disables/utility). If you need lategame damage, Sniper has plenty of it, but you pretty much have to have ALL your other bases covered in order to be able to support him.

the problem with that game was panda got outlaned from the very start, their lane setup was so ehhh... everything depended on furion
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 22 2012 18:40 GMT
#5395
i love how they talk about the mentality of a player playing in a TEAM... stuff that pub doter will never experience. It takes a long time just to learn the communication method as well as each other train of thought to be a well oiled team...
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PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 22 2012 18:45 GMT
#5396
Lol at Dendi standing in for Next.kz.... I'd be pissed if I was CLG, especially after he just wrecked them like 30 mins ago.
Jieun <3
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 22 2012 18:52 GMT
#5397
this game is a good followup as to the weakness of sniper

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzY3MDI0MDYw.html

same teams, relatively similar lineups, note DK's massive early game advantage completely broken by 1 bad teamfight and sniper's lack of midgame power
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
March 22 2012 18:53 GMT
#5398
On March 23 2012 03:45 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Lol at Dendi standing in for Next.kz.... I'd be pissed if I was CLG, especially after he just wrecked them like 30 mins ago.

Clg also had bulba playing for them in their game against navi. Which is like also shitty from them.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 22 2012 18:58 GMT
#5399
On March 23 2012 03:53 Yoshi- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2012 03:45 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Lol at Dendi standing in for Next.kz.... I'd be pissed if I was CLG, especially after he just wrecked them like 30 mins ago.

Clg also had bulba playing for them in their game against navi. Which is like also shitty from them.


As far as ringers go having Bulba invoker isn't that bad I didn't have a chance to tune in till halfway through the game tho, so I didn't see how the early game went.
Jieun <3
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-22 19:23:14
March 22 2012 19:21 GMT
#5400
CLG performance today is so disappointing.... btw, joindota and maelk, which stream to watch?

nvm: EG playing in joindota soon =)
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