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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
March 20 2012 09:34 GMT
#5101
On March 20 2012 14:15 Dead9 wrote:
yo i have a genius idea
someone should make a recommended dota vods thread

kind of like this one ?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=312437
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 20 2012 10:06 GMT
#5102
do you see any recommended games on that page ?

it's a useful resource, but something more like this
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=52045
EnvyUK
Profile Joined September 2011
England467 Posts
March 20 2012 10:37 GMT
#5103
On March 20 2012 16:26 danielimotbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 16:18 Esoterikk wrote:
So realistically and try to keep the bias of which game you prefer out of this, how big do you think the dota 2 scene will get in lieu of the already exploding LoL scene? I mean the game itself is amazing and from my bias point of view I think it will explode to but I honestly haven't really followed the scene long enough to know if it's going to have what it takes to be big along side a power house like LoL mainly with riot funding.

Here's to hoping Valve gives out a shit load of keys in the near future to garner more growth.


Well, if I recall correctly, one of the grand finals recently (think it was DignitasCup or The Defense) attracted 30,000 viewers. This is pretty big considering this game is still in beta.


The Defense finals attained 50,000 viewers.
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 20 2012 11:10 GMT
#5104
50000 is an estimate. I think tobi's stream got like 38k, and there were other streams with like russian commentary that made up the rest.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
banha
Profile Joined March 2012
4 Posts
March 20 2012 11:31 GMT
#5105
--- Nuked ---
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 14:44:26
March 20 2012 11:36 GMT
#5106
On March 20 2012 20:31 banha wrote:
[mod edit]


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My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 20 2012 12:27 GMT
#5107
On March 20 2012 16:18 Esoterikk wrote:
So realistically and try to keep the bias of which game you prefer out of this, how big do you think the dota 2 scene will get in lieu of the already exploding LoL scene? I mean the game itself is amazing and from my bias point of view I think it will explode to but I honestly haven't really followed the scene long enough to know if it's going to have what it takes to be big along side a power house like LoL mainly with riot funding.

Here's to hoping Valve gives out a shit load of keys in the near future to garner more growth.

It depends how Valve gets the game going in China.

PPTV has reported stream numbers of 300,000+ for G-1 League matches, which absolutely dwarfs any stream numbers for Western events. I don't even think that number even accounts for alternate and restreams.
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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 20 2012 13:04 GMT
#5108
I'm trying to find a decent guide to play storm spirit but I can't really seem to find one that summarizes shit well enough. Anyone happen to know one?
Computer says mafia
HypernovA
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada556 Posts
March 20 2012 13:21 GMT
#5109
http://www.playdota.com/guides/the-era-of-bloodstone-is-over
Candadar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
2049 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 13:23:46
March 20 2012 13:23 GMT
#5110
On March 20 2012 16:18 Esoterikk wrote:
So realistically and try to keep the bias of which game you prefer out of this, how big do you think the dota 2 scene will get in lieu of the already exploding LoL scene? I mean the game itself is amazing and from my bias point of view I think it will explode to but I honestly haven't really followed the scene long enough to know if it's going to have what it takes to be big along side a power house like LoL mainly with riot funding.

Here's to hoping Valve gives out a shit load of keys in the near future to garner more growth.


LoL is a bubble in my opinion. You can only pump so much absurd amounts of money into tournaments.

I agree that LoL is -huge- right now, but I feel that -- especially if Dota 2 is free to play -- Dota 2 will eventually overcome it. It just has a lot more going for it, especially with the absolutely massive playerbase in China that will be moving over.

Anyways, we shouldn't be saying "I hope DotA 2 beats LoL" but "I hope DotA 2 is successful"
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
March 20 2012 13:40 GMT
#5111
What items are good to build on morphling?
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 20 2012 13:43 GMT
#5112
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/r4prn/mlg_we_have_an_open_slot_for_a_moba_tell_sundance/

this is funny bc MLG obviously not gona pick up dota2 anytime soon. No team has a budget to send their entire dota2 team aboard(since most of them are from EU and MLG is in US) and valve prob cant pressure MLG bc they are running CoD tournaments and prob wont be touching CS:go anytime soon. Beside Riot has worked with MLG before....
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Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
March 20 2012 13:49 GMT
#5113
On March 20 2012 22:40 epoc wrote:
What items are good to build on morphling?


Treads
Some sort of mana regen -> usually bottle if mid + aquila or pers if you find that you need a Linkens
Wand if you find yourself participating alot in fights
Yasha into S&Y or Manta depending on what you're against
Ethereal Blade
Butterfly
Heart/Satanic/Skadi
BKB/Linkens if necessary
Doomblaze
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1292 Posts
March 20 2012 13:54 GMT
#5114
On March 20 2012 22:23 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 16:18 Esoterikk wrote:
So realistically and try to keep the bias of which game you prefer out of this, how big do you think the dota 2 scene will get in lieu of the already exploding LoL scene? I mean the game itself is amazing and from my bias point of view I think it will explode to but I honestly haven't really followed the scene long enough to know if it's going to have what it takes to be big along side a power house like LoL mainly with riot funding.

Here's to hoping Valve gives out a shit load of keys in the near future to garner more growth.


LoL is a bubble in my opinion. You can only pump so much absurd amounts of money into tournaments.

I agree that LoL is -huge- right now, but I feel that -- especially if Dota 2 is free to play -- Dota 2 will eventually overcome it. It just has a lot more going for it, especially with the absolutely massive playerbase in China that will be moving over.

Anyways, we shouldn't be saying "I hope DotA 2 beats LoL" but "I hope DotA 2 is successful"


If we are talking competitively, then DotA 2 has already beaten LoL. Money-wise in tournaments, dota 2 will also start beating LoL at some point, but I don't see DotA 2 beating LoL in # of players. I can see LoL having more sponsors as well, because the player base and stream views attract sponsors like mad. The skill curve in dota is much higher, and will push casual players (the majoirty of the player base) away. I have about 50 friends who play LoL quite a lot, 10 of whom play competitively, but only 2-3 of them understand and enjoy DotA because of the skill curve.

If/When china moves to dota 2, it will gain a huge playerbase, and that will be awesome! I agree, it doesn't matter if we beat them, and I would rather LoL player's stayed away from dota =P Both games support ESPORTS, and that is the important part.
In Mushi we trust
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 14:11:24
March 20 2012 13:54 GMT
#5115
On March 20 2012 22:40 epoc wrote:
What items are good to build on morphling?


You can always do the Crazy Mofo Alpino build ->

treads -> dominator -> skadi -> ethereal blade -> butterfly -> satanic

How to play the Crazy Mofo:

1 - Remember to keep at 1 str and full agi to farm like a mofo and DO NOT GET INTO FIGHTS while you have like 400 hp. Using morph(+STR obv) when you do fight is key.

2 - Get into won team fights to steal your friend`s kills with waveform and get your kill streak on while increasing:

A) The rage in your buddies
B) The money in your pocket

3 - Don`t appear too much in the map, 400hp is not tanky at all. Wait for your skadi and own shit up.

Crazy Mofo Hard Mode:

All divines after Skadi. :D

(Well I used to do that build years ago when Skadi and Dominator stacked, they still do? A lot of time since I even made a Skadi t_t )

Skill build ->
+ Show Spoiler +


Waveform
Stats
Waveform
Stats
Waveform
Replicate
Waveform
Morph
Morph
Morph
Replicate
Morph
Adaptative
Adaptative
Adaptative
Replicate
Adaptative
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
ArcticVanguard
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 14:02:49
March 20 2012 13:58 GMT
#5116
On March 20 2012 22:40 epoc wrote:
What items are good to build on morphling?

Treads/BoT****, Manta Style, Linken's Sphere*, Butterfly, Eye of Skadi, Sange and Yasha***, Diffusal Blade***, and Ethereal Blade**.

* I wouldn't recommend getting Linken's Sphere as a core item. Its cost to stat ratio is abysmal when Butterfly or Eye provide better or comparable stats for the same cost. If you really need the Spellblock, I'd recommend farming a BKB or something. It's still a solid situational pick however and it's not *bad* to go for, I just think there might be better items.

** Ethereal Blade is a *great* item on Morphling at any stage in the game since it turns you into a really powerful single-target nuker. Due to Adaptive Strike's scaling with agility, the E-Blade doing damage based on your current agility, and the ability to morph strength to agility, pretty much any squishy support or carry (if no BKB) is going to die. Period. It makes you into a glass cannon however and runs the risk of being nuked down. Be smart, don't get this if the enemy has Lina, Lion, or a similar nuker.

*** This is a less common build and I haven't tested it personally, but since you can disassemble SnY, it seems like a great temporary measure if you're having trouble getting your Manta and other big items up. The Diffusal Blade helps with ganking and ups your damage output, since you should have a really high AS. Just remember that this is a situational pick and, just like with E-Blade, you've gotta be smart about it.

**** Most high level games I see with Morphling start out with Treads. I've never seen a BoT on a Morphling at a high level before 30 minutes or so at earliest. If your farming is amazing however, you can skip treads to get BoT so that you can quickly farm other lanes or go back to base to heal then replicate back.

EDIT: @ Alpino:
Since the 6.74 changes to Morphling, I don't think the stats build is worth going any more. With level 2 Morph, you get equivalent boosts to two levels in stats. Might as well go more like this:
+ Show Spoiler +
Waveform
Morph
Waveform
Morph
Waveform
Morph
Waveform
Morph
Adaptive Strike
Replicate
Replicate
Adaptive Strike
Adaptive Strike
Adaptive Strike
Stats
Replicate

As well, don't actually leave your strength at 1 constantly. That's an easy way to get ganked HARD. Keep it low enough that you can focus on damage, but high enough that if you do get ganked, you actually have time to respond. If you do get ganked, you have a few escape options: Waveform out, Morph all of your agility to strength for a "heal", and Replicate.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~C.S. Lewis
Corr
Profile Joined January 2009
Denmark796 Posts
March 20 2012 14:01 GMT
#5117
On March 20 2012 22:54 Alpino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 22:40 epoc wrote:
What items are good to build on morphling?


You can always do the Crazy Mofo Alpino build ->

treads -> dominator -> skadi -> ethereal blade -> butterfly

Remember to keep at 1 str and full agi to farm like a mofo and DO NOT GET INTO FIGHTS while you have like 400 hp. Using morph(+STR obv) when you do fight is key.

(Well I used to do that years ago when Skadi and Dominator stacked, they still do? A lot of time since I even made a Skadi t_t )
Skill build ->
+ Show Spoiler +


Waveform
Stats
Waveform
Stats
Waveform
Replicate
Waveform
Morph
Morph
Morph
Replicate
Morph
Adaptative
Adaptative
Adaptative
Replicate
Adaptative


I'm usually very much for HotD on a lot of heroes in pubs but I do not see any reason to get it on Morph anytime soon. I guess the idea of your build is to be able to clear the jungle? Waveform is one of the best skills in the game for lane farming and the other abilities of Morph lets you escape most uncoordinated ganks, particularly so if you've chosen to get a Linkens. Furthermore your build idea means you have to play fairly passively during the first 20 minutes of the game or so which is probably one of the easiest ways of losing pubs. (unless the opposition is just really low-skill)
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
March 20 2012 14:11 GMT
#5118
On March 20 2012 23:01 Corr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2012 22:54 Alpino wrote:
On March 20 2012 22:40 epoc wrote:
What items are good to build on morphling?


You can always do the Crazy Mofo Alpino build ->

treads -> dominator -> skadi -> ethereal blade -> butterfly

Remember to keep at 1 str and full agi to farm like a mofo and DO NOT GET INTO FIGHTS while you have like 400 hp. Using morph(+STR obv) when you do fight is key.

(Well I used to do that years ago when Skadi and Dominator stacked, they still do? A lot of time since I even made a Skadi t_t )
Skill build ->
+ Show Spoiler +


Waveform
Stats
Waveform
Stats
Waveform
Replicate
Waveform
Morph
Morph
Morph
Replicate
Morph
Adaptative
Adaptative
Adaptative
Replicate
Adaptative


I'm usually very much for HotD on a lot of heroes in pubs but I do not see any reason to get it on Morph anytime soon. I guess the idea of your build is to be able to clear the jungle? Waveform is one of the best skills in the game for lane farming and the other abilities of Morph lets you escape most uncoordinated ganks, particularly so if you've chosen to get a Linkens. Furthermore your build idea means you have to play fairly passively during the first 20 minutes of the game or so which is probably one of the easiest ways of losing pubs. (unless the opposition is just really low-skill)


Yeah you`re right, the Crazy Mofo build is supposed to be played with with decently skilled friends which will help holding the early game for you. It`s not a very good build but its fun as fuck!
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 20 2012 14:14 GMT
#5119
Replace HotD+Skadi with Linken, and you have a more common build that accomplishes pretty much the same thing 3k gold sooner.
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 14:46:25
March 20 2012 14:46 GMT
#5120
Against good competive teams morph needs to go bkb into hotd and then damage item other wise he will have huge problems. Linkens is only good for pubs or teams that lack stuns.
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