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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 19 2012 01:14 GMT
#4961
once all the hero port over, icefrog could easily force switch by stop updating dota1... it will happen sooner or later.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 19 2012 01:15 GMT
#4962
On March 19 2012 09:56 Kipsate wrote:
I Highly Highly Highly doubt that the chinese will completly switch, they'l play at the side probably, but their main focus will(or , should) still be Dota 1.

If we are to believe the FTP rumours, knowledge that the game should be compatible with low quality computers, LAN, etc...why wouldn't they switch if the rest of the world is switching?
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flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 19 2012 01:20 GMT
#4963
Can only speculate, but why give up your competitive advantage? There's no doubt the Chinese are easily on top of DotA 1--and the foreign scene has mostly moved to DotA 2 (well, Pinoys... but... Pinoys). DotA 2 has a limited hero pool, and other teams are more versed in playing with that pool.

I think what's going to happen will be similar to what Jaedong says about SCII: he'll switch if/when he can gain more from the sequel than he can from Brood War. For the Chinese, I suspect this switch won't occur till the heroes they like are mostly in the pool (pool is mostly complete).

Again, I'm just speculating. I'm barely informed, so don't take my words at face value.

I also want to point out China #1
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 19 2012 01:21 GMT
#4964
On March 19 2012 10:14 NB wrote:
once all the hero port over, icefrog could easily force switch by stop updating dota1... it will happen sooner or later.


that's the hope, but can you really do that?
if that was to happen, the backlash would be insane, the gut reaction of many chinese would be 1) crack current dota map (easily accomplished) 2) post any new changes into dota 2 into dota (also easy) and 3) boycott dota2 for this kind of treatment

don't underestimate netizen outrage and splitting effects of a new game if handled incorrectly (think 1.6 vs source)
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
March 19 2012 01:25 GMT
#4965
On March 19 2012 10:15 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 09:56 Kipsate wrote:
I Highly Highly Highly doubt that the chinese will completly switch, they'l play at the side probably, but their main focus will(or , should) still be Dota 1.

If we are to believe the FTP rumours, knowledge that the game should be compatible with low quality computers, LAN, etc...why wouldn't they switch if the rest of the world is switching?

Because they like their own game as it is and they don't want to play a yet incomplete game with a limited hero pool

ow yeah and China hates steam probably, I hope Valve does this well.
WriterXiao8~~
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 19 2012 01:26 GMT
#4966
^Kipsate is also Chinese
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 01:47:44
March 19 2012 01:34 GMT
#4967
Flamewheel is Chinese

Also China is #1

This is a good watch if anyone is interested in it btw.


I lub Medusa, I hope that one day she will be restored to her rightfull strength.
WriterXiao8~~
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 19 2012 01:39 GMT
#4968
The funny thing about that video is that it was made quite a while ago, way before ZSMJ retired, but the music/tone made it sound like he was retiring.

After he retired, people bring up the video again.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 01:43:45
March 19 2012 01:43 GMT
#4969
ya the music is kinda depressing for some reason O.o, still its a very good watch.
WriterXiao8~~
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
March 19 2012 01:50 GMT
#4970
So do the chinese have a different playstyle or a more deep understanding of the game that is making the limited hero pool of dota2 a reason to not switch?

I guess pirating the game is the main concern but is that really it?

I'd love to see some chinese teams just come into dota2 and just rofl stomp na'vi. Is it possible?
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 19 2012 01:56 GMT
#4971
On March 19 2012 10:50 Senx wrote:
So do the chinese have a different playstyle or a more deep understanding of the game that is making the limited hero pool of dota2 a reason to not switch?

I guess pirating the game is the main concern but is that really it?

I'd love to see some chinese teams just come into dota2 and just rofl stomp na'vi. Is it possible?

dota1 meta is more fun, by far.

if china picked up dota2, and given a good amount of semi secretive practice, they could do it.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 02:08:20
March 19 2012 01:58 GMT
#4972
On March 19 2012 10:34 Kipsate wrote:
I lub Medusa, I hope that one day she will be restored to her rightfull strength.


Medusa impression: whole game: 1 skill, yellow stat, a move... -_- nothing to see here

On March 19 2012 10:50 Senx wrote:
So do the chinese have a different playstyle or a more deep understanding of the game that is making the limited hero pool of dota2 a reason to not switch?

I guess pirating the game is the main concern but is that really it?

I'd love to see some chinese teams just come into dota2 and just rofl stomp na'vi. Is it possible?

we are talking about the country that love warcraft III like they love their music, players are Idols. Pretty much similar to korean and BW but China is much bigger than korea @_@...

Pretty sure every single PC bang in china(or internet cafe) has war3 install on it (illegally ofc) and dota just wide spread together with war3. Especially once blizzard gave up on balancing war3 while dota is keep on growing with new contents and balance patches.

The main reason no one is switching is bc the lack of infrastructure. Internet in asia sucks and expensive and as the same time even though most house hold own a PC, they are often outdated and cant run the latest software game and in this case its dota2. Remember before the International Valve had to send these players PCs so that they could practice for the tournaments. The moment the chinese will officially switch will probably when LAN mode is released and the game became F2P. Thats like 1 year from now at least if you think about the current price reduction rate in computer parts.
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 02:15:05
March 19 2012 02:02 GMT
#4973
On March 19 2012 10:50 Senx wrote:
So do the chinese have a different playstyle or a more deep understanding of the game that is making the limited hero pool of dota2 a reason to not switch?

I guess pirating the game is the main concern but is that really it?

I'd love to see some chinese teams just come into dota2 and just rofl stomp na'vi. Is it possible?

In Starcraft there is Korea

in Dota, there is China, that is the easiest way to put it.

edit: prolly not what you meant., sorry for that.
WriterXiao8~~
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 19 2012 02:02 GMT
#4974
On March 19 2012 10:58 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 10:34 Kipsate wrote:
I lub Medusa, I hope that one day she will be restored to her rightfull strength.


Medusa impression: whole game: 1 skill, yellow stat, a move... -_- nothing to see here

NB, it is one thing to note how autoattack a hero Medusa is, it's entirely another to note how autoattack a hero is while giving an entirely incorrect skill build for Medusa.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 19 2012 02:09 GMT
#4975
On March 19 2012 11:02 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 10:58 NB wrote:
On March 19 2012 10:34 Kipsate wrote:
I lub Medusa, I hope that one day she will be restored to her rightfull strength.


Medusa impression: whole game: 1 skill, yellow stat, a move... -_- nothing to see here

NB, it is one thing to note how autoattack a hero Medusa is, it's entirely another to note how autoattack a hero is while giving an entirely incorrect skill build for Medusa.

isnt that what everyone do? chain lighting and stat into shield? :-/
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-19 02:26:54
March 19 2012 02:12 GMT
#4976
Medusa doesn't have chain lightning anymore.
WriterXiao8~~
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 19 2012 02:55 GMT
#4977
On March 19 2012 11:12 Kipsate wrote:
Medusa doesn't have chain lightning anymore.

oh yeah the shitty snake mana skill... dislike how Icefrog remove chain lighting from the game during that period... Razor lost his touch
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 19 2012 03:00 GMT
#4978
On March 19 2012 11:55 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 11:12 Kipsate wrote:
Medusa doesn't have chain lightning anymore.

oh yeah the shitty snake mana skill... dislike how Icefrog remove chain lighting from the game during that period... Razor lost his touch

I think during that period Icefrog was trying to differentiate overly similar skills.

IIRC that's also around the time when he went through the effort of differentiating Sven/VS/SK stuns, as well as Riki/PA/CK's Blink Strikes.
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Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
March 19 2012 03:54 GMT
#4979
On March 19 2012 10:14 NB wrote:
once all the hero port over, icefrog could easily force switch by stop updating dota1... it will happen sooner or later.

He already said before that as long as a demand exists, he will always update Dota1.
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 19 2012 04:00 GMT
#4980
On March 19 2012 12:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2012 11:55 NB wrote:
On March 19 2012 11:12 Kipsate wrote:
Medusa doesn't have chain lightning anymore.

oh yeah the shitty snake mana skill... dislike how Icefrog remove chain lighting from the game during that period... Razor lost his touch

I think during that period Icefrog was trying to differentiate overly similar skills.

IIRC that's also around the time when he went through the effort of differentiating Sven/VS/SK stuns, as well as Riki/PA/CK's Blink Strikes.

i thought he was having some trouble with leave chain lightning code/bug bc he actually completely removed the spell until wayyyy later add it into neutral creep and (gambler?). Look at razor at that period, sooooooo sad @_@..........

My favorite hero was the old storm.... static charge every X attack, DPS all the way
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