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On March 14 2012 07:41 funbooth wrote:
So I am thinking of coming over from LoL but after playing a few games I am a little on the fence, you guys seem pretty level headed so I figured maybe you would take a few seconds out of your day to give some insight. I know about 10-12 people who play LoL at a decent level (1500 elo) and I somewhat enjoy the game, I mainly enjoy the esports side of it and how active the scene is right now as far as streaming and the reddit community go. My main goal in gaming right now would be to have a semi watched stream and I am going to try either in Dota 2 or LoL.
Now my biggest issue with switching to Dota 2 is right now, while the game is clearly more in depth and more fun from a simply personaly enjoyment point of view I know zero people who play it so solo queue can get boring. On top of that it seems there is less for the mid level community in terms of leagues/content as its in closed beta only the top get attention from leagues/tournaments, which isn't their fault; I would do the same thing.
Another thing is in league the games are generally faster and more arcady which allows quick pickup games where as dota seems like a decent investement in time from the point you log on.
I obviously even now after about a week of Dota enjoy it way more than LoL on a simply personal level but I just keep jumping back and forth between playing with friends and streaming LoL or Playing dota and waiting for open beta to play with friends and streaming that in the mean time.
Keep in mind the end goal is to be on a amateur team and to stream on a regular basis (not looking to be famous, don't really expect anyone to watch but hope people eventually do)
Thanks guys, sorry for the long post.
I came over from LoL after playing semi-competitively. It is really tough to go from always having people to play with to just straight solo queue. I just suggest stick with Dota and as you find more friends to play with, you will keep having more fun. I know I have only been playing Dota (albeit pretty seriously) for 4 months but I have already gotten a local team together and taken some high placings in local tournaments and lans. Once you get to that point, it just becomes too much fun. Playing with a competitive team is just so amazing and constantly challenging yourselves keeps the game fresh and exciting. Just keep at it, do what is fun, and focus on getting better and reaching out to the local gaming community and seeing if you can find a team. Your friends may or may not come over from LoL, Dota isn't for everybody (just like LoL isn't for everybody) but you will be having a great time playing a game you personally enjoy with your friends.
I hope that answered something 
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My friend likes to play dazzle in all pick, what are some good lane partners to complement him?
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On March 14 2012 16:57 Perryboyce wrote:
My friend likes to play dazzle in all pick, what are some good lane partners to complement him?
I think Huskar and Dazzle is a pretty sick combo. You can be alot more aggressive with getting kills because the lower huskar's HP gets the more effective he is. And then when he get's really low you can press the issue by attacking and having dazzle shallow grave him.
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Huskar is a good combo with him. Otherwise just pick anyone who will struggle to sustain themselves in lane and who wants all the farm, such as AM, void, leoric, er... *insert melee carry hero who doesn't have a good lane sustain ability (like DK's dragon blood)*
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huskar dazzle is incredibly strong... not even counting once hitting lv6, grave show it full potential with lifesteal path husk.
Axe go behind tower is great too, not even counting recently DS going behind tower to clean creep with 1 babysit such as enchan/dazzle is fucked up meta game -_-...
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Going behind tower is incredibly risky. Even if you manage to sustain yourself through their harass + tanking creeps, you still give away a double kill as soon as another lane realizes that they can tp to the tower and gank you from 2 directions.
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On March 14 2012 19:24 LAN-f34r wrote:
Going behind tower is incredibly risky. Even if you manage to sustain yourself through their harass + tanking creeps, you still give away a double kill as soon as another lane realizes that they can tp to the tower and gank you from 2 directions.
not if you are running ds/chen or ds/enchan... just cast it on creep = gg @_@... ward will help you out to catch TP support as well as surge often make it easy to escape.
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Those creeps aren't particularly dangerous - the other team can simply focus down that creep for free farm then continue like nothing happened. The whole point of going behind the tower is to zone the other team out, forcing them away from your creeps who are dying to the tower, causing them to lose levels and their tower to take damage. You can't do that without actually being there, and you can't be there without facing a great risk of dying.
Besides, weren't we talking about dazzle?
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On March 14 2012 20:11 LAN-f34r wrote:
Those creeps aren't particularly dangerous - the other team can simply focus down that creep for free farm then continue like nothing happened. The whole point of going behind the tower is to zone the other team out, forcing them away from your creeps who are dying to the tower, causing them to lose levels and their tower to take damage. You can't do that without actually being there, and you can't be there without facing a great risk of dying.
Besides, weren't we talking about dazzle?
how about a trilane long lane with chen ds dazzle? 
its basicly the same with any behind tower play but you got a giant creep with (750?) HP tanky every hit for you... not the creep alone, you are there too too add in additional tankiness
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On March 14 2012 02:12 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 01:42 Kipsate wrote:On March 14 2012 01:38 Resilient wrote:On March 14 2012 01:33 Kipsate wrote:
Here is something I don't know, why is Weaver not picked up alot?and if he is he loses most of the time. He does? Outside of professional play, he's one of the most picked and reliable hard carries. You just don't see him (or any carry outside of AM) a lot in high level, is because the metagame is currently stuck in get 6 towers down in 15 minutes mode. Thats the thing, weaver, while squishy I feel is a hero who is fairly strong in the early to midgame(shukichi and geminate does som much damage and swarm is fairly strong) I also meant Dota 2 proffessional play btw. Like, in combination with for example AA ultimate he can just destroy people. euros prefer to play potm, who is different but is usually used for the same lane setup. lag doesnt help the hero, neither does antimage picks since antimage owns weaver, ditto for nightstalker, furion can cause issues for him if he makes a mistake also his weakness to the 3 man fast push through the easy lane (hard lane for weaver team) usually against a ench or chen doesnt help at all, he can slow down the push but he has to rely on his other teammates to do well in their respective lanes (counterpressure), since he cant hold those early hard pushes well.
A lot of people say that AM beats weaver, but antimage can't lane against a weaver, weaver can farm with less support, weaver can hold solo lanes against a broodmother. Either I'm wrong and antimage always beats weaver, or at some point antimage has enough items to own weaver, and what's that, manta style gold? Vanguard (more like at that point he can tank for awhile and lose 1/3 his life)
And in theory your weaver should be up in gold.
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Both Dark Seer and Axe are the kings of backlaning, and it definitely works allright in pubs =P Especially with Axe
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Lets just put it this way. Why hasn't it happened in a pro game?
If you are going to trilane vs a non-trilane, you can probably get the tower for free anyway if you have chen. But if they have 3 heroes focusing one creep, it ain't going to last. And if you go to support that creep, you are still diving when the odds are otherwise even - even if somehow you can win a 3v3+tower, someone can TP and its practically a 3v5. Dark seer isn't THAT OP (until he gets ags).
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On March 14 2012 21:05 LAN-f34r wrote:
Lets just put it this way. Why hasn't it happened in a pro game?
If you are going to trilane vs a non-trilane, you can probably get the tower for free anyway if you have chen. But if they have 3 heroes focusing one creep, it ain't going to last. And if you go to support that creep, you are still diving when the odds are otherwise even - even if somehow you can win a 3v3+tower, someone can TP and its practically a 3v5. Dark seer isn't THAT OP (until he gets ags).
Incidentally, it has happened in pro games.
EHOME vs LGD from SMM 2010 - 830's DS meets the creeps behind the tower in a 1v1 lane.
+ Show Spoiler +
DK vs Panda from G-1 League 2012 - DK runs a trilane with Axe and meet the creeps behind the tower.
+ Show Spoiler +
A couple other times Axe got picked in G-1 League, he got used to meet creeps behind tower in certain scenarios, but not necessarily right at the start of laning.
That said, the effectiveness of the strategy is way stronger in pubs where 1) players won't be able to respond properly to it, and in particular are going to be terrible at farming off their tower, and 2) teams won't pick against it. You'll note that in both cases while the strategy has a lot of potential to capitalize on the mistakes of the player that is being backlaned, it's equally possible for the backlaner to quickly lose control of the situation.
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I don't have time to watch those atm (I gotta sleep TT), but the first one is 1v1, which isn't what we've been talking about - dark seer also has great escape, so its much harder to gank him in that position. Was the DK axe tri against another tri? If not, then it is reasonable since you can't tp multiple people to one tower instantly. It's normal when you are pushing a tower with no one around to have one person go forward to tank the creeps, but not when there are 3 other heroes right there.
In 2v2s and 3v3, going behind the tower is incredibly risky unless you all have great escape, and last I checked qop AM mirana isn't a good tri lane
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On March 14 2012 21:12 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 21:05 LAN-f34r wrote:
Lets just put it this way. Why hasn't it happened in a pro game?
If you are going to trilane vs a non-trilane, you can probably get the tower for free anyway if you have chen. But if they have 3 heroes focusing one creep, it ain't going to last. And if you go to support that creep, you are still diving when the odds are otherwise even - even if somehow you can win a 3v3+tower, someone can TP and its practically a 3v5. Dark seer isn't THAT OP (until he gets ags). Incidentally, it has happened in pro games. EHOME vs LGD from SMM 2010 - 830's DS meets the creeps behind the tower in a 1v1 lane. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUrtMZ0GN80 DK vs Panda from G-1 League 2012 - DK runs a trilane with Axe and meet the creeps behind the tower. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tqmzz9DwEQ A couple other times Axe got picked in G-1 League, he got used to meet creeps behind tower in certain scenarios, but not necessarily right at the start of laning. That said, the effectiveness of the strategy is way stronger in pubs where 1) players won't be able to respond properly to it, and in particular are going to be terrible at farming off their tower, and 2) teams won't pick against it. You'll note that in both cases while the strategy has a lot of potential to capitalize on the mistakes of the player that is being backlaned, it's equally possible for the backlaner to quickly lose control of the situation.
Btw The First game EHome vs LGD I reccommend watching even if you are not interested in the Dark Seer creepskipping, people say dota requires little mechanical skill for farming, but Burnings Morphling's farm that game(while also participating in some teamfights) is just beyond ridicilous and there are not many who can even get close to that.
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On March 14 2012 22:00 Kipsate wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 21:12 TheYango wrote:On March 14 2012 21:05 LAN-f34r wrote:
Lets just put it this way. Why hasn't it happened in a pro game?
If you are going to trilane vs a non-trilane, you can probably get the tower for free anyway if you have chen. But if they have 3 heroes focusing one creep, it ain't going to last. And if you go to support that creep, you are still diving when the odds are otherwise even - even if somehow you can win a 3v3+tower, someone can TP and its practically a 3v5. Dark seer isn't THAT OP (until he gets ags). Incidentally, it has happened in pro games. EHOME vs LGD from SMM 2010 - 830's DS meets the creeps behind the tower in a 1v1 lane. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUrtMZ0GN80 DK vs Panda from G-1 League 2012 - DK runs a trilane with Axe and meet the creeps behind the tower. + Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tqmzz9DwEQ A couple other times Axe got picked in G-1 League, he got used to meet creeps behind tower in certain scenarios, but not necessarily right at the start of laning. That said, the effectiveness of the strategy is way stronger in pubs where 1) players won't be able to respond properly to it, and in particular are going to be terrible at farming off their tower, and 2) teams won't pick against it. You'll note that in both cases while the strategy has a lot of potential to capitalize on the mistakes of the player that is being backlaned, it's equally possible for the backlaner to quickly lose control of the situation. Btw The First game EHome vs LGD I reccommend watching even if you are not interested in the Dark Seer creepskipping, people say dota requires little mechanical skill for farming, but Burnings Morphling's farm that game(while also participating in some teamfights) is just beyond ridicilous and there are not many who can even get close to that.
Ah I remember that game. Of course, 830 gets his salve canceled by Burning and well it doesn't go so well from there.
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On March 14 2012 10:42 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 08:04 ArcticVanguard wrote:On March 14 2012 04:52 rabidch wrote:
eg misses that timing window and loses... absolutely cannot let other team grab roshan while you're preparing for a push, especially when a farmed morphling can control split pushing so damn easily. korok played a very good game. Is the vod up yet? Could someone post it when it is? I'm a huge Morphling fan. http://www.twitch.tv/ggnetgodz/b/311563871
Thanks so much, that was a great game. I'd never thought about doing a CM/Morphling lane before. Jakiro wound up being a great pick. Since the Na'Vi pick of Jakiro, is he starting to become relevant in the metagame?
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On March 14 2012 22:37 ArcticVanguard wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:42 MrCon wrote:On March 14 2012 08:04 ArcticVanguard wrote:On March 14 2012 04:52 rabidch wrote:
eg misses that timing window and loses... absolutely cannot let other team grab roshan while you're preparing for a push, especially when a farmed morphling can control split pushing so damn easily. korok played a very good game. Is the vod up yet? Could someone post it when it is? I'm a huge Morphling fan. http://www.twitch.tv/ggnetgodz/b/311563871 Thanks so much, that was a great game. I'd never thought about doing a CM/Morphling lane before. Jakiro wound up being a great pick. Since the Na'Vi pick of Jakiro, is he starting to become relevant in the metagame?
People might start to realize that Jakiro has one of the craziest aoe comboes in the game, and aoe slow and a aoe stun and a pushing skill(permanent 50% AS slow on towers) that is also aoe xD. He's also quite tanky for an int and relatively item independant. His only downside is his ridiculus casting animation.
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On March 14 2012 22:37 ArcticVanguard wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:42 MrCon wrote:On March 14 2012 08:04 ArcticVanguard wrote:On March 14 2012 04:52 rabidch wrote:
eg misses that timing window and loses... absolutely cannot let other team grab roshan while you're preparing for a push, especially when a farmed morphling can control split pushing so damn easily. korok played a very good game. Is the vod up yet? Could someone post it when it is? I'm a huge Morphling fan. http://www.twitch.tv/ggnetgodz/b/311563871 Thanks so much, that was a great game. I'd never thought about doing a CM/Morphling lane before. Jakiro wound up being a great pick. Since the Na'Vi pick of Jakiro, is he starting to become relevant in the metagame?
Jakiro has always been such a great hero, wasn't he quite involved in dota 1 pro-scene? Good stats, beefy hero, crazy nuke, huge aoe disable, and a high dps ulti that combined with another skill (black hole, vacuum, or any aoe stuns or even his own skill chain) just wrecks so much havoc. wasn't it quite common to see him get the mek?
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