• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:25
CEST 16:25
KST 23:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"4ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!33Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)102
StarCraft 2
General
How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) 3kb/s downloading patch..... are we back to 1998? Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard" Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format
Tourneys
PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool
Tourneys
2v2v2v2 Tournament Escore Tournament - Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Star Con San Diego 2026
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread 2026-27 Football Thread placeholder TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Games, Hormones, and "Dark" …
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6103 users

General Discussion - Page 219

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 217 218 219 220 221 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 13 2012 01:12 GMT
#4361
Dunno about invoker but on Riki if your opponents are your speed or only slightly faster you can get it early from the sideshop and backstab them to death if they try and run before getting boots.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 01:16:03
March 13 2012 01:14 GMT
#4362
On March 13 2012 10:08 NB wrote:
hmmm... anyone care to explain why sometime i see invoker/riki get orb of venom early? the item came out while i wasnt playing so i dont really know who to get it on...

Pretty sure lycan+venom orb is a legit build?

Cold Snap used to trigger on Orb of Venom, which is why people used to get it on Invoker. It shouldn't work anymore, though, so there's not really a point to getting it now.

Why would OoV be good on Lycan?

On March 13 2012 10:12 Nevuk wrote:
Dunno about invoker but on Riki if your opponents are your speed or only slightly faster you can get it early from the sideshop and backstab them to death if they try and run before getting boots.

Or you could just get boots.
Moderator
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 13 2012 01:15 GMT
#4363
orb of venom was gotten on invoker due to the fact that the poison damage permaproc'd QQQ (fixed now i think)
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 01:23:30
March 13 2012 01:23 GMT
#4364
Yeah, but orb of venom is 350 and boots are 500. I've had it done to me a few times by a riki trying to secure early first blood into boots and snowball with it. It wasn't terrible. (But I would think boots are better as well because of how squishy riki can be in lane)
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#4365
he might've been going the infamous mom riki build
and venom orb stacks with lifesteal so i'd imagine it'd be an okay pickup
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 13 2012 01:42 GMT
#4366
On March 13 2012 10:15 Kupon3ss wrote:
orb of venom was gotten on invoker due to the fact that the poison damage permaproc'd QQQ (fixed now i think)

of course it's fixed-balanced now, that was so fking annoying to fight against -_-. imagine fighting invoker's current cold snap with enigma's malefice going on at the same time. that was pretty much that venom cold snap
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 13 2012 02:23 GMT
#4367
wait so when do you get orb of venom? like ever ever?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 02:42:22
March 13 2012 02:40 GMT
#4368
On March 13 2012 10:30 Dead9 wrote:
he might've been going the infamous mom riki build
and venom orb stacks with lifesteal so i'd imagine it'd be an okay pickup

it doesnt stack in dota2, unfortunately. it's an interesting pickup for naix, skeleton king, riki, bh, jugg (can apply poison in bladefury to one target) though, but once you get another orb effect orb of poison isnt very useful

might work on ns and beastmaster as well, but their main focus isn't autoattacking though they may do a lot of it
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 13 2012 02:42 GMT
#4369
Just played a retarded farmfest game as dwarven sniper. I think I had the most denies I've ever had... 148! lol. The kids i was laning against were like half our level
Jieun <3
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 13 2012 02:43 GMT
#4370
it's pretty good on sillybear too
i think that's the only hero that normally buys it
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 13 2012 02:47 GMT
#4371
On March 13 2012 11:43 Dead9 wrote:
it's pretty good on sillybear too
i think that's the only hero that normally buys it

yeah but he isnt in dota2
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 13 2012 02:49 GMT
#4372
On March 13 2012 11:43 Dead9 wrote:
it's pretty good on sillybear too
i think that's the only hero that normally buys it

I wouldn't say buying it on him is "normal" but yeah, it isn't bad on him.
Moderator
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
March 13 2012 02:57 GMT
#4373
On March 13 2012 10:08 NB wrote:
hmmm... anyone care to explain why sometime i see invoker/riki get orb of venom early? the item came out while i wasnt playing so i dont really know who to get it on...

Pretty sure lycan+venom orb is a legit build?


When I play lyc, I have a problem with inventory slots, and I'm more concerned about taking towers and heroes trying to defend it than better chasing ability.

Vlad, medallion, wand, tp, aegis, treads. I don't think it's worth replacing any of those, whereas bkb, necronomicon, or some tanky item is.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 13 2012 03:03 GMT
#4374
On March 13 2012 11:23 NB wrote:
wait so when do you get orb of venom? like ever ever?


Only hero I can see it having any USE in my mind, is early to mid-game on a BloodHunter. Later build into Skadi after Radiance.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 13 2012 03:17 GMT
#4375
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.
Moderator
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 03:27:34
March 13 2012 03:23 GMT
#4376
On March 13 2012 12:17 TheYango wrote:
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.

works with his bloodbath

an incredible item for bs, he has no chase power without rupture and levels in thirst, if (big if) you get it fast enough you can pretty much dominate the mid game skirmishes with silence and rupture, bs is a pretty weak hero otherwise
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 03:27:17
March 13 2012 03:27 GMT
#4377
On March 13 2012 12:23 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 12:17 TheYango wrote:
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.

works with his bloodbath

yeah, but so does midas (and midas is a lot more reliable)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 03:30:56
March 13 2012 03:28 GMT
#4378
On March 13 2012 12:23 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 12:17 TheYango wrote:
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.

works with his bloodbath

So rather than buying items that scale ridiculously off his +80% damage buff, you'd rather buy an item that might heal you a tiny bit from random creep kills in a fight?

On March 13 2012 12:23 rabidch wrote:
an incredible item for bs, he has no chase power without rupture and levels in thirst, if (big if) you get it fast enough you can pretty much dominate the mid game skirmishes with silence and rupture, bs is a pretty weak hero otherwise

If you want to dominate midgame skirmishes, it makes way more sense to me to buy items that dominate midgame skirmishes like Janggo and Yasha, rather than an item that's usually bought for it's ability to farm on carries.
Moderator
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 13 2012 03:29 GMT
#4379
On March 13 2012 12:27 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 12:23 rabidch wrote:
On March 13 2012 12:17 TheYango wrote:
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.

works with his bloodbath

yeah, but so does midas (and midas is a lot more reliable)

midas has a 100 second cd, which isnt very reliable once you start thinking about it's cost and how you're using it
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 13 2012 03:32 GMT
#4380
On March 13 2012 11:23 NB wrote:
wait so when do you get orb of venom? like ever ever?


the only real scenario is when you get skadi :/
High Risk Low Reward
Prev 1 217 218 219 220 221 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Weekly
11:00
WardiTV Mondays #97
IntoTheiNu 1584
WardiTV1231
Rex149
Ryung 146
CranKy Ducklings74
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Rex 149
Ryung 146
ProTech90
SHIN 24
RushiSC 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 9670
Rain 5875
Bisu 2253
Jaedong 1254
Shuttle 1220
Zeus 684
Light 548
EffOrt 499
Mini 470
BeSt 392
[ Show more ]
firebathero 362
Stork 240
ZerO 240
Snow 181
Pusan 159
PianO 134
ggaemo 131
hero 92
Mind 64
Hyun 62
Free 59
JulyZerg 48
sorry 40
Sacsri 28
Sexy 27
Barracks 24
Killer 22
sSak 21
Terrorterran 19
Hm[arnc] 18
yabsab 16
Shine 15
zelot 14
ajuk12(nOOB) 4
Dota 2
qojqva1750
Dendi901
Gorgc760
syndereN316
Counter-Strike
byalli856
Other Games
hiko777
Lowko559
B2W.Neo448
crisheroes366
Fuzer 248
Mlord216
Liquid`VortiX198
uThermal195
Hui .130
XaKoH 112
elazer107
Mew2King99
ZerO(Twitch)20
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 1372
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH309
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP10
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1074
• WagamamaTV445
• Noizen37
League of Legends
• Nemesis3187
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
1h 35m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
19h 35m
INu's Battles
20h 35m
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
1d 9h
The PondCast
1d 19h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 20h
Patches Events
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
CrankTV Team League
2 days
OSC
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
Escore
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
ByuN vs SHIN
Solar vs Lambo
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Clem vs Serral
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
Acropolis #5
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.