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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 13 2012 01:12 GMT
#4361
Dunno about invoker but on Riki if your opponents are your speed or only slightly faster you can get it early from the sideshop and backstab them to death if they try and run before getting boots.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 01:16:03
March 13 2012 01:14 GMT
#4362
On March 13 2012 10:08 NB wrote:
hmmm... anyone care to explain why sometime i see invoker/riki get orb of venom early? the item came out while i wasnt playing so i dont really know who to get it on...

Pretty sure lycan+venom orb is a legit build?

Cold Snap used to trigger on Orb of Venom, which is why people used to get it on Invoker. It shouldn't work anymore, though, so there's not really a point to getting it now.

Why would OoV be good on Lycan?

On March 13 2012 10:12 Nevuk wrote:
Dunno about invoker but on Riki if your opponents are your speed or only slightly faster you can get it early from the sideshop and backstab them to death if they try and run before getting boots.

Or you could just get boots.
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Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
March 13 2012 01:15 GMT
#4363
orb of venom was gotten on invoker due to the fact that the poison damage permaproc'd QQQ (fixed now i think)
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 01:23:30
March 13 2012 01:23 GMT
#4364
Yeah, but orb of venom is 350 and boots are 500. I've had it done to me a few times by a riki trying to secure early first blood into boots and snowball with it. It wasn't terrible. (But I would think boots are better as well because of how squishy riki can be in lane)
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 13 2012 01:30 GMT
#4365
he might've been going the infamous mom riki build
and venom orb stacks with lifesteal so i'd imagine it'd be an okay pickup
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 13 2012 01:42 GMT
#4366
On March 13 2012 10:15 Kupon3ss wrote:
orb of venom was gotten on invoker due to the fact that the poison damage permaproc'd QQQ (fixed now i think)

of course it's fixed-balanced now, that was so fking annoying to fight against -_-. imagine fighting invoker's current cold snap with enigma's malefice going on at the same time. that was pretty much that venom cold snap
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 13 2012 02:23 GMT
#4367
wait so when do you get orb of venom? like ever ever?
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 02:42:22
March 13 2012 02:40 GMT
#4368
On March 13 2012 10:30 Dead9 wrote:
he might've been going the infamous mom riki build
and venom orb stacks with lifesteal so i'd imagine it'd be an okay pickup

it doesnt stack in dota2, unfortunately. it's an interesting pickup for naix, skeleton king, riki, bh, jugg (can apply poison in bladefury to one target) though, but once you get another orb effect orb of poison isnt very useful

might work on ns and beastmaster as well, but their main focus isn't autoattacking though they may do a lot of it
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PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
March 13 2012 02:42 GMT
#4369
Just played a retarded farmfest game as dwarven sniper. I think I had the most denies I've ever had... 148! lol. The kids i was laning against were like half our level
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
March 13 2012 02:43 GMT
#4370
it's pretty good on sillybear too
i think that's the only hero that normally buys it
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 13 2012 02:47 GMT
#4371
On March 13 2012 11:43 Dead9 wrote:
it's pretty good on sillybear too
i think that's the only hero that normally buys it

yeah but he isnt in dota2
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 13 2012 02:49 GMT
#4372
On March 13 2012 11:43 Dead9 wrote:
it's pretty good on sillybear too
i think that's the only hero that normally buys it

I wouldn't say buying it on him is "normal" but yeah, it isn't bad on him.
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igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
March 13 2012 02:57 GMT
#4373
On March 13 2012 10:08 NB wrote:
hmmm... anyone care to explain why sometime i see invoker/riki get orb of venom early? the item came out while i wasnt playing so i dont really know who to get it on...

Pretty sure lycan+venom orb is a legit build?


When I play lyc, I have a problem with inventory slots, and I'm more concerned about taking towers and heroes trying to defend it than better chasing ability.

Vlad, medallion, wand, tp, aegis, treads. I don't think it's worth replacing any of those, whereas bkb, necronomicon, or some tanky item is.
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
March 13 2012 03:03 GMT
#4374
On March 13 2012 11:23 NB wrote:
wait so when do you get orb of venom? like ever ever?


Only hero I can see it having any USE in my mind, is early to mid-game on a BloodHunter. Later build into Skadi after Radiance.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 13 2012 03:17 GMT
#4375
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 03:27:34
March 13 2012 03:23 GMT
#4376
On March 13 2012 12:17 TheYango wrote:
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.

works with his bloodbath

an incredible item for bs, he has no chase power without rupture and levels in thirst, if (big if) you get it fast enough you can pretty much dominate the mid game skirmishes with silence and rupture, bs is a pretty weak hero otherwise
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 03:27:17
March 13 2012 03:27 GMT
#4377
On March 13 2012 12:23 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 12:17 TheYango wrote:
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.

works with his bloodbath

yeah, but so does midas (and midas is a lot more reliable)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 03:30:56
March 13 2012 03:28 GMT
#4378
On March 13 2012 12:23 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 12:17 TheYango wrote:
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.

works with his bloodbath

So rather than buying items that scale ridiculously off his +80% damage buff, you'd rather buy an item that might heal you a tiny bit from random creep kills in a fight?

On March 13 2012 12:23 rabidch wrote:
an incredible item for bs, he has no chase power without rupture and levels in thirst, if (big if) you get it fast enough you can pretty much dominate the mid game skirmishes with silence and rupture, bs is a pretty weak hero otherwise

If you want to dominate midgame skirmishes, it makes way more sense to me to buy items that dominate midgame skirmishes like Janggo and Yasha, rather than an item that's usually bought for it's ability to farm on carries.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
March 13 2012 03:29 GMT
#4379
On March 13 2012 12:27 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 12:23 rabidch wrote:
On March 13 2012 12:17 TheYango wrote:
Related aside, what exactly is the point of buying Radiance on Bloodseeker? You're a ganker/semicarry, not an actual hard carry, so I don't see the point of buying an item like Radiance when it's primary benefit for you is farming power. Additionally, you have a HUGE %-damage buff, which will only multiply stat-based damage, and not straight +damage gains like that from Radiance.

It seems more sensible to buy strong midgame and lategame agility-based DPS items like Manta Style and Butterfly.

works with his bloodbath

yeah, but so does midas (and midas is a lot more reliable)

midas has a 100 second cd, which isnt very reliable once you start thinking about it's cost and how you're using it
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
March 13 2012 03:32 GMT
#4380
On March 13 2012 11:23 NB wrote:
wait so when do you get orb of venom? like ever ever?


the only real scenario is when you get skadi :/
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