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EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5245 Posts
February 24 2012 02:19 GMT
#2881
On February 24 2012 11:13 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 11:01 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 24 2012 04:38 Ack1027 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281401

Please inform yourself.

Low viewers, commercial-centric, no results etc.

I read it already. do you know who testie is?


EchelonTee: Joined TL.net Tuesday, 22nd of February 2011

lol


didn't think people here would be so douchy/elitist -.-

guy has results in HoN, plenty of viewers, never featured. Whatever.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 02:33:56
February 24 2012 02:31 GMT
#2882
On February 24 2012 11:19 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 11:13 Ack1027 wrote:
On February 24 2012 11:01 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 24 2012 04:38 Ack1027 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281401

Please inform yourself.

Low viewers, commercial-centric, no results etc.

I read it already. do you know who testie is?


EchelonTee: Joined TL.net Tuesday, 22nd of February 2011

lol


didn't think people here would be so douchy/elitist -.-

guy has results in HoN, plenty of viewers, never featured. Whatever.

it was featured at one point.

nevermind. anyway, featured streams are a bit biased
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
eqez
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden837 Posts
February 24 2012 02:36 GMT
#2883
On February 24 2012 11:19 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 11:13 Ack1027 wrote:
On February 24 2012 11:01 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 24 2012 04:38 Ack1027 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281401

Please inform yourself.

Low viewers, commercial-centric, no results etc.

I read it already. do you know who testie is?


EchelonTee: Joined TL.net Tuesday, 22nd of February 2011

lol


didn't think people here would be so douchy/elitist -.-

guy has results in HoN, plenty of viewers, never featured. Whatever.


Bolded it for you.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 24 2012 02:42 GMT
#2884
On February 24 2012 11:19 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 11:13 Ack1027 wrote:
On February 24 2012 11:01 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 24 2012 04:38 Ack1027 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281401

Please inform yourself.

Low viewers, commercial-centric, no results etc.

I read it already. do you know who testie is?


EchelonTee: Joined TL.net Tuesday, 22nd of February 2011

lol


didn't think people here would be so douchy/elitist -.-

guy has results in HoN, plenty of viewers, never featured. Whatever.


You realize that we all used to play DotA1 together?
Hates Fun🤔
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
February 24 2012 02:47 GMT
#2885
On February 24 2012 04:38 Ack1027 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281401

Please inform yourself.

Low viewers, commercial-centric, no results etc.


Low viewers? I often see 1.5k-2k viewers on Testie's stream.
ffxiv enjoyer
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 04:12:21
February 24 2012 04:03 GMT
#2886
On February 24 2012 11:47 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 04:38 Ack1027 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281401

Please inform yourself.

Low viewers, commercial-centric, no results etc.


Low viewers? I often see 1.5k-2k viewers on Testie's stream.


Honestly, even if I was on the staff and had the sole decision to make Testie a featured or non featured streamer, It would be the same result as it is now. (Played HoN since the beta for quite some time etc). He literally does nothing but "coaching" aka, playing with people on smurf accounts who pay him money, and spams commercials. No offense to Testie, but his stream is a source of income for him, his goal isn't to make an educational HoN stream. The equivalent would be HuK 4v4 rting with people who pay him all the time, or doing 1v1's on other people's accounts. I watched Testie's stream often, but it fades in purpose FAST, if you want to see a pro bashing "Diamond" level people solo mid and snowballing over and over, then his stream is the one for you, again, this is subjective since you could learn the ideal builds and farm style on every hero he plays, but I don't think that alone justifies being a featured streamer.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 24 2012 04:04 GMT
#2887
hmm the match making system in dota is fucked up.... u dont simply place people with 200 wins in a team of 50 win and hope they can carry the shit... It happened to me:

Radiant:
200s wins
50s win
50s win
100s win
50 win

dire
200s wins <---- Me
50s win
50s win
100s win
50 win

Now why is this fucked up? bc i was not informed of this when i pick the hero. In the result i picked CM since she is the only decent i got out of the SD and the line up looks like this:

Radiant:
200s wins (BH)
50s win
50s win
100s win (SK)
50 win

dire
200s wins <---- Me (CM)
50s win(riki)
50s win(clinkz)
100s win(axe)
50 win(clock)

in result the noobs feed BH and i cant do shit despite dust ward chicks all game :-/.... Clearly moba need a special designed mmr system to make sure this wont happen.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 24 2012 04:23 GMT
#2888
On February 24 2012 13:04 NB wrote:
hmm the match making system in dota is fucked up.... u dont simply place people with 200 wins in a team of 50 win and hope they can carry the shit... It happened to me:

Radiant:
200s wins
50s win
50s win
100s win
50 win

dire
200s wins <---- Me
50s win
50s win
100s win
50 win

Now why is this fucked up? bc i was not informed of this when i pick the hero. In the result i picked CM since she is the only decent i got out of the SD and the line up looks like this:

Radiant:
200s wins (BH)
50s win
50s win
100s win (SK)
50 win

dire
200s wins <---- Me (CM)
50s win(riki)
50s win(clinkz)
100s win(axe)
50 win(clock)

in result the noobs feed BH and i cant do shit despite dust ward chicks all game :-/.... Clearly moba need a special designed mmr system to make sure this wont happen.


More wins doesn't have to = higher mmr.
How did the experience of working at Mr Burns' Nuclear Plant influence Homer's composition of the Iliad and Odyssey?
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 24 2012 04:41 GMT
#2889
On February 24 2012 13:23 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 13:04 NB wrote:
hmm the match making system in dota is fucked up.... u dont simply place people with 200 wins in a team of 50 win and hope they can carry the shit... It happened to me:

Radiant:
200s wins
50s win
50s win
100s win
50 win

dire
200s wins <---- Me
50s win
50s win
100s win
50 win

Now why is this fucked up? bc i was not informed of this when i pick the hero. In the result i picked CM since she is the only decent i got out of the SD and the line up looks like this:

Radiant:
200s wins (BH)
50s win
50s win
100s win (SK)
50 win

dire
200s wins <---- Me (CM)
50s win(riki)
50s win(clinkz)
100s win(axe)
50 win(clock)

in result the noobs feed BH and i cant do shit despite dust ward chicks all game :-/.... Clearly moba need a special designed mmr system to make sure this wont happen.


More wins doesn't have to = higher mmr.

it does not but less win means that the mmr is most likely to be stupidly low... it was a team of 3 on my side and they picked riki + clinkz...

like last night i even played with dignitas and quantic people... today got all noobs ~_~... seriously wtf
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
February 24 2012 05:10 GMT
#2890
On February 24 2012 13:41 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 13:23 red_ wrote:
On February 24 2012 13:04 NB wrote:
hmm the match making system in dota is fucked up.... u dont simply place people with 200 wins in a team of 50 win and hope they can carry the shit... It happened to me:

Radiant:
200s wins
50s win
50s win
100s win
50 win

dire
200s wins <---- Me
50s win
50s win
100s win
50 win

Now why is this fucked up? bc i was not informed of this when i pick the hero. In the result i picked CM since she is the only decent i got out of the SD and the line up looks like this:

Radiant:
200s wins (BH)
50s win
50s win
100s win (SK)
50 win

dire
200s wins <---- Me (CM)
50s win(riki)
50s win(clinkz)
100s win(axe)
50 win(clock)

in result the noobs feed BH and i cant do shit despite dust ward chicks all game :-/.... Clearly moba need a special designed mmr system to make sure this wont happen.


More wins doesn't have to = higher mmr.

it does not but less win means that the mmr is most likely to be stupidly low... it was a team of 3 on my side and they picked riki + clinkz...

like last night i even played with dignitas and quantic people... today got all noobs ~_~... seriously wtf



what heroes did you draw?
High Risk Low Reward
evantrees
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada497 Posts
February 24 2012 05:25 GMT
#2891
Go team smack em!
[image loading]

Their tinker went manta before sheep for some reason + bfury gondar not ganking enough certainly helped us.
rejection and peace tiramisu. I think that went well.
kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
February 24 2012 05:45 GMT
#2892
On February 24 2012 14:25 evantrees wrote:
Go team smack em!
[image loading]

Their tinker went manta before sheep for some reason + bfury gondar not ganking enough certainly helped us.


The phase boots + no manta AM was probably even better for you
I speak fluent sarcasm.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
February 24 2012 06:08 GMT
#2893
Yeah ugh I disagree completely with the AM's item choices. Still a win is a win!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
evantrees
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada497 Posts
February 24 2012 06:13 GMT
#2894
or bfly or heart he was rather squishy
rejection and peace tiramisu. I think that went well.
paper
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
13196 Posts
February 24 2012 06:54 GMT
#2895
On February 24 2012 15:08 flamewheel wrote:
Yeah ugh I disagree completely with the AM's item choices. Still a win is a win!


Pfff, attack speed is overrated bro
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Hoban
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1600 Posts
February 24 2012 07:07 GMT
#2896
What is the deal with battlefury on Gondar? It seems every game I get BH on my team, he gets his Bfury around the 35 min mark, he never uses track, and he tries to sit in our jungle and farm. It drives me crazy! I mean, BH's ultimate gives him insane amounts of money for farming heroes. Yet that is not apparently obvious to anyone on my team who plays him.

It looks like Bane is coming out tomorrow. I have never played him and I don't really remember playing against him much. My gut tells me rush a soul ring and spam your life drain whenever soul ring is on CD. I could see him be very strong in a lane with a Mirana or some other hard-to-land stun as well. He seems like an awesome support and I'm looking forward to trying him out. When I try him I am probably going soul ring, mana boots, BKB and acting as the ward-carrier.
"I am a leaf on the wind."
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 24 2012 07:23 GMT
#2897
bane just brain snap with stat... may be 1 point in sleep if needed. Bane would be great to counter some carry pick bc of the dmg decrease....

BH getting BF is most likely: a) noob b) trying to farm to counter enemy carry. Either way its a waste of BH skills set. I do get BF sometime though depend on line up but those are special cases.]


side note: just realize i have been dropped to a horrible mmr...time to pick BS ans huskar and solomid...QQQQQQ
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
DevilTheory
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia14 Posts
February 24 2012 08:10 GMT
#2898
On February 24 2012 16:07 Hoban wrote:
What is the deal with battlefury on Gondar? It seems every game I get BH on my team, he gets his Bfury around the 35 min mark, he never uses track, and he tries to sit in our jungle and farm. It drives me crazy! I mean, BH's ultimate gives him insane amounts of money for farming heroes. Yet that is not apparently obvious to anyone on my team who plays him.

It looks like Bane is coming out tomorrow. I have never played him and I don't really remember playing against him much. My gut tells me rush a soul ring and spam your life drain whenever soul ring is on CD. I could see him be very strong in a lane with a Mirana or some other hard-to-land stun as well. He seems like an awesome support and I'm looking forward to trying him out. When I try him I am probably going soul ring, mana boots, BKB and acting as the ward-carrier.

Bane is a difficult hero to play: You need lots of base mana, so you can combo your abilities, which are extremely expensive mana wise. You need to sometimes initiate, but only when you wont be focused. When not initiating, you need to be close enough to the fight to make sure you can shut down/sleep their support or range DPS. He is hard to get farm on if you arent strong at last hitting. His teamfight potential can be good, but is inferior to most other gank/support types.

His strengths are in his mobility and early game gank/shutdown.
Yes ward carrier is an excellent idea, due to his high base speed. He can move around the map easily and place the wards.

As for items, BKB is a MUST. his ult is channeling so trying to ult in a fight against a good team without it is sheer lunacy.
Necro book is almost always a great item on him. Gives him push, micro potential when ulting, utlity, tankability.
Dagger is dicey, Since he isnt tanky sometimes a over-zealous dagger puts him in too-vulerable a position.

I would say his core items would be: Nulls, BKB, Necro book, sheep stick
Good items: Euls, Dagon, dagger, Shivas
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 24 2012 08:14 GMT
#2899
On February 24 2012 16:23 NB wrote:
bane just brain snap with stat... may be 1 point in sleep if needed. Bane would be great to counter some carry pick bc of the dmg decrease....

BH getting BF is most likely: a) noob b) trying to farm to counter enemy carry. Either way its a waste of BH skills set. I do get BF sometime though depend on line up but those are special cases.]


side note: just realize i have been dropped to a horrible mmr...time to pick BS ans huskar and solomid...QQQQQQ


I wish I knew what my MMR was. I was doing pretty well for a while, and now I can't decide whether I moved up enough that I'm facing people who are better than me, or if I've moved down and my teammates are just more retarded. Keep going on wild streaks of 10+ wins in a row, and then losing like 8-9 in a row. Definitely been losing lately
Jieun <3
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
February 24 2012 08:19 GMT
#2900
On February 24 2012 17:14 PHILtheTANK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 16:23 NB wrote:
bane just brain snap with stat... may be 1 point in sleep if needed. Bane would be great to counter some carry pick bc of the dmg decrease....

BH getting BF is most likely: a) noob b) trying to farm to counter enemy carry. Either way its a waste of BH skills set. I do get BF sometime though depend on line up but those are special cases.]


side note: just realize i have been dropped to a horrible mmr...time to pick BS ans huskar and solomid...QQQQQQ


I wish I knew what my MMR was. I was doing pretty well for a while, and now I can't decide whether I moved up enough that I'm facing people who are better than me, or if I've moved down and my teammates are just more retarded. Keep going on wild streaks of 10+ wins in a row, and then losing like 8-9 in a row. Definitely been losing lately

to me there are 3 mmr: high, medium and low.

High: tri-lane, wards counter, dedicated ward bitch, dont try to steal last hit from carry, no stupid pick like clinkz or OD, smoke gank whole game etc. Got matched with sponsored players and ur game is on 1st 2 pages of Watch tab.

Medium: wards, dedicated ward bitch, mid/late game smoke gank, medicore pick like tiny/tinker/SF,...

Low: good pick carry, bad dont know what to do. No ward no dust no chick. Fav heroes: clinkz, riki, BH...

i lost like 20 games for the past week so my mmr must be super dupper low QQ

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