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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 12 2012 07:56 GMT
#2241
On February 12 2012 16:28 rei wrote:
Not sure if everybody know this already, but blizzard is sueing valve for using the name dota2, blizzard wants the name changed.

They're sueing for trademarking it not for using it, they don't want the name changed either... Love the misinformation everywhere
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 12 2012 08:20 GMT
#2242
OMG I just won another game going Lothar's... lets all fight again.
Jieun <3
rob.au
Profile Joined May 2010
1087 Posts
February 12 2012 08:39 GMT
#2243
On February 12 2012 16:28 rei wrote:
Not sure if everybody know this already, but blizzard is sueing valve for using the name dota2, blizzard wants the name changed.

Yeah they aren't suing Valve, they are opposing Valve's attempt to trademark "dota". Good comprehension skills though.
DoomBox
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden73 Posts
February 12 2012 11:58 GMT
#2244
A few games after reading this discussion about lothars on trax, I randomed trax in a pub. I'm not a very good player so i was like "herp derp I'mma go BKB". Let me tell you, I regretted it at every point in the game, and would've given an arm an a leg (at least trax's arm and leg...) for a lothars instead.

Given ofc that they didn't actually have any stuns to counter with the BKB -.-

Next time I'm probably gonna actually judge the situation for what item I'm getting O_O
NO ONE HAS EVER DONE THAT IN THE HISTORY OF DOTA
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
February 12 2012 12:23 GMT
#2245
yo

lothers ownz
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
February 12 2012 14:59 GMT
#2246
In most lower-level pub games, Lothar's and heroes with some form of WW or invisibility are able to do very well. Why? Because most low level players refuse to actively buy wards/dust, and it takes a coordinated effort sometimes to hunt/gank invis-capable heroes
TheWarbler
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1659 Posts
February 12 2012 16:17 GMT
#2247
Lothers remains the worst item in the game in my mind.
if you can believe you can concieve
rgfdxm
Profile Joined December 2006
United States239 Posts
February 12 2012 16:18 GMT
#2248
On February 12 2012 20:58 DoomBox wrote:
A few games after reading this discussion about lothars on trax, I randomed trax in a pub. I'm not a very good player so i was like "herp derp I'mma go BKB". Let me tell you, I regretted it at every point in the game, and would've given an arm an a leg (at least trax's arm and leg...) for a lothars instead.

Given ofc that they didn't actually have any stuns to counter with the BKB -.-

Next time I'm probably gonna actually judge the situation for what item I'm getting O_O


If they don't have stuns, I think you should go Helm of the Dominator -> Manta. Either way, Lothar's will be more effective when your team refuses to fight together, and far less effective if there are actual team battles. If you play in games where your teammates refuse to work together, by all means get Lothar's and just try to get lots of kills/farm and carry late-game.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 12 2012 16:22 GMT
#2249
Got my key yesterday from the TL thread, got my buddy in, and went pudge first game.

34/14/12. Feels real good man.

People are so fucking bad the first couple games I played, they just don't give a fuck if you are pudge and you're chilling in the woods right next to say, their keeper....I throw the hook out, and miss. He runs EVEN MORE AWAY FROM THE TOWER after my hook misses, and I just wait a few seconds and boom hook dead keeper.

Seriously people just don't know wtf to do so far but if I pudge every game I'll still have lots of fun.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 12 2012 16:26 GMT
#2250
On February 13 2012 01:18 rgfdxm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2012 20:58 DoomBox wrote:
A few games after reading this discussion about lothars on trax, I randomed trax in a pub. I'm not a very good player so i was like "herp derp I'mma go BKB". Let me tell you, I regretted it at every point in the game, and would've given an arm an a leg (at least trax's arm and leg...) for a lothars instead.

Given ofc that they didn't actually have any stuns to counter with the BKB -.-

Next time I'm probably gonna actually judge the situation for what item I'm getting O_O


If they don't have stuns, I think you should go Helm of the Dominator -> Manta. Either way, Lothar's will be more effective when your team refuses to fight together, and far less effective if there are actual team battles. If you play in games where your teammates refuse to work together, by all means get Lothar's and just try to get lots of kills/farm and carry late-game.

at low skill levels i've played more than a few drow ranger games. lothars is hardly any more useful than manta, and manta will allow you to 1v3+ them if you farm well.
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Rybka
Profile Joined March 2010
United States836 Posts
February 12 2012 16:27 GMT
#2251
On February 13 2012 01:22 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Got my key yesterday from the TL thread, got my buddy in, and went pudge first game.

34/14/12. Feels real good man.

People are so fucking bad the first couple games I played, they just don't give a fuck if you are pudge and you're chilling in the woods right next to say, their keeper....I throw the hook out, and miss. He runs EVEN MORE AWAY FROM THE TOWER after my hook misses, and I just wait a few seconds and boom hook dead keeper.

Seriously people just don't know wtf to do so far but if I pudge every game I'll still have lots of fun.


I lol'd inside when I read your post because it's so true. People do NOT know how to deal with Pudge at all and the ignorance and shitty things people do when I pick him are hilarious. It's like you don't even have to hide behind the treeline, you just stand in the open and hook people trololol.
"I like winter, you can put a beer outside of the window and come back later to have it nice and cold. But in Belgium, it'd better be the 3rd floor window." -Rowa
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 16:41:52
February 12 2012 16:37 GMT
#2252
On February 12 2012 20:58 DoomBox wrote:
A few games after reading this discussion about lothars on trax, I randomed trax in a pub. I'm not a very good player so i was like "herp derp I'mma go BKB". Let me tell you, I regretted it at every point in the game, and would've given an arm an a leg (at least trax's arm and leg...) for a lothars instead.

Given ofc that they didn't actually have any stuns to counter with the BKB -.-

Next time I'm probably gonna actually judge the situation for what item I'm getting O_O

Blind rushing BKB was probably not the smart thing to do, no. There are still superior alternatives to Lothar's that give similar stats though.

On February 12 2012 23:59 kethers wrote:
In most lower-level pub games, Lothar's and heroes with some form of WW or invisibility are able to do very well. Why? Because most low level players refuse to actively buy wards/dust, and it takes a coordinated effort sometimes to hunt/gank invis-capable heroes

The thing is, why gamble on the risk of one person on the other team not being terrible when Manta or Janggo+Yasha are just as, or more effective anyway? Again, it's not like Shadowfiend or Ursa where you get a huge payoff and gain in effectiveness when the Lothar's gambit works, even once.
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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
February 12 2012 17:39 GMT
#2253
Manta rush is may even worse than lothars.

In pubs lothars >>>>>>>>>>>>> rest easily
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 12 2012 17:40 GMT
#2254
Darkseer

WE vs dd, just watch it.


http://www.twitch.tv/thepremierleague/videos
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 12 2012 17:43 GMT
#2255
On February 13 2012 02:39 Yoshi- wrote:
Manta rush is may even worse than lothars.

In pubs lothars >>>>>>>>>>>>> rest easily

Janggo + Yasha
Moderator
Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
February 12 2012 18:15 GMT
#2256
Anybody watching Tobi's stream? Dignitas vs Ariana game 1 was so good.
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
February 12 2012 18:16 GMT
#2257
On February 13 2012 02:40 Zlasher wrote:
Darkseer

WE vs dd, just watch it.


http://www.twitch.tv/thepremierleague/videos

I caught the end. WE throw the game away. Also Link :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Bibzball
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France250 Posts
February 12 2012 18:20 GMT
#2258
On February 13 2012 03:15 Fishgle wrote:
Anybody watching Tobi's stream? Dignitas vs Ariana game 1 was so good.


Yeah it was good. I don't know if it all came down to Freezer spending all of his money on that shiva's in the end and not being able to buy back. I really thought the game was over after dignitas cleared the top barracks but huge black holes by Enigma.
Back and forth game, lots of heroes having bad decisions and dying on their own during the whole game though.
Let's see how game 2 goes.
DANIEL ! GET OUT OF THE WATER !!!
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 12 2012 18:31 GMT
#2259
On February 13 2012 03:16 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 02:40 Zlasher wrote:
Darkseer

WE vs dd, just watch it.


http://www.twitch.tv/thepremierleague/videos

I caught the end. WE throw the game away. Also Link :D

surprised WE got anywhere with that lineup, though dd didnt exactly have a nice lineup to counter those kinds of fights, both viper and huskar scale really horribly against antimage and ds, no surprise they could bring it back as long as they survived until megas with a scepter ds
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
3Y3S
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada177 Posts
February 12 2012 18:33 GMT
#2260
On February 13 2012 02:40 Zlasher wrote:
Darkseer

WE vs dd, just watch it.


http://www.twitch.tv/thepremierleague/videos

oh god that game was awesome!
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