• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 17:12
CEST 23:12
KST 06:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202575RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced14BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
What tournaments are world championships? Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time I offer completely free coaching services Server Blocker
Tourneys
Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Dewalt's Show Matches in China Simple editing of Brood War save files? (.mlx) Ginuda's JaeDong Interview Series
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Post Pic of your Favorite Food!
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 714 users

General Discussion - Page 114

Forum Index > Dota 2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 112 113 114 115 116 6534 Next
IRC chatter should remain in IRC - http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=tl.dota2

Posts that relate to topics with their own thread, such as in News, Tournaments or Strategy should go in those threads.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 18:56:19
February 12 2012 18:49 GMT
#2261
On February 13 2012 02:43 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 02:39 Yoshi- wrote:
Manta rush is may even worse than lothars.

In pubs lothars >>>>>>>>>>>>> rest easily

Janggo + Yasha

even worse

Lothars is cheaper
gives more damage
gives more movement speed, while windwalked
and a pretty good escape

For serious games bkb into hotd.

And the janggo should be carried by a support
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 19:18:24
February 12 2012 19:09 GMT
#2262
On February 13 2012 03:49 Yoshi- wrote:
even worse

Lothars is cheaper
gives more damage
gives more movement speed, while windwalked
and a pretty good escape

Yes Lothar's is cheaper, but also gives worse stats and is on the whole less cost-effective. Janggo/Yasha also build from small, easy-to-build components, so the two potential advantages of cheap items (cost-effective, gets you to fights quickly) do not favor Lothar's at all in this comparison.

No, Lothar's does not give more damage. Janggo + Yasha gives 25 Agility + 9 damage, but Trueshot Aura multiplies Agility based damage and not plain damage, meaning that if you have 2nd rank or higher of Trueshot Aura, Janggo + Yasha gives more damage. This is not even considering the fact that Janggo + Yasha also gives +45% IAS passively, plus another 10 actively, when Lothar's gives a measly 10%.

Janggo + Yasha gives 15% MS passively, and another +10% actively. That's more than Lothar's in all scenarios.

The escape is unreliable. You're gambling on the fact that not 1 of the 5 people on the enemy team will buy dust for you. In the average case, having more HP/armor/movespeed from Janggo + Yasha is more likely to get you out alive.

While HotD/Manta based builds are indeed safer and more stable, Janggo + Yasha is more directly comparable to Lothar's in pub games, because it builds from small components that come together quickly and get you into fights immediately. And the combination compares extremely favorably to Lothar's.

On February 13 2012 03:49 Yoshi- wrote:
And the janggo should be carried by a support

Janggo can be carried by ANYONE. BH, Invoker, CK, and Panda are all common Janggo carriers in competitive play. While a support may get Janggo later, the stats are cost-effective even considering the redundant auras, and buying a new Janggo on someone else is more cost-efficient than refilling Janggo by re-buying the recipe.
Moderator
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 12 2012 19:18 GMT
#2263
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 12 2012 19:20 GMT
#2264
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!

Steam is down for everyone right now, as far as I'm aware.
Moderator
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 12 2012 19:23 GMT
#2265
ohhh that makes me less worried. Thank you
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
February 12 2012 20:01 GMT
#2266
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!


You get an abandon if you go afk for 5 minutes (if your character doesn't perform any actions - so talking does not count).
Logic fails because we are lazy.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 12 2012 20:02 GMT
#2267
On February 13 2012 05:01 Pseudoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!


You get an abandon if you go afk for 5 minutes (if your character doesn't perform any actions - so talking does not count).



I guess they really frown on afking. Guess I won't be doing that anymore T.T
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 12 2012 20:05 GMT
#2268
On February 13 2012 05:02 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 05:01 Pseudoku wrote:
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!


You get an abandon if you go afk for 5 minutes (if your character doesn't perform any actions - so talking does not count).



I guess they really frown on afking. Guess I won't be doing that anymore T.T


Afking in many cases is more annoying and worse than just quitting the game.
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
February 12 2012 20:26 GMT
#2269
Tobi + Mulan = win
ArcticVanguard
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
February 12 2012 20:41 GMT
#2270
On February 13 2012 05:26 mrgerry wrote:
Tobi + Mulan = win

This. I was resisting every urge to sing along with him. I didn't know he was such a good singer!
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~C.S. Lewis
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
February 12 2012 20:49 GMT
#2271
On February 13 2012 05:41 ArcticVanguard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 05:26 mrgerry wrote:
Tobi + Mulan = win

This. I was resisting every urge to sing along with him. I didn't know he was such a good singer!


He is when he picks the right song. Sometimes though....(Jack Sparrow comes to mind )
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
February 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#2272
On February 13 2012 04:20 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!

Steam is down for everyone right now, as far as I'm aware.


I have no idea what happened in the past few hours, is it still down?
ffxiv enjoyer
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 12 2012 21:24 GMT
#2273
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=29146640#post29146640
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Quadratic
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada249 Posts
February 13 2012 00:20 GMT
#2274
For anyone wondering. Playdota has updated their key giveaway cut off date in their forums. Now anyone who registered before today and posted in that thread is now eligible. Good Luck guys.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 13 2012 01:03 GMT
#2275
Best drunk hero?

I'm saying toss up between BH and Axe.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#2276
On February 13 2012 10:03 Nevuk wrote:
Best drunk hero?

I'm saying toss up between BH and Axe.


I have quite a bit experience playing drunk lol. Axe is sweet but I think Storm Spirit is definetly the best drunk hero. Just flying around everywhere like a boss. Also skeleton king is sweet while hammered because you just run around into 1v5 and never die... so satisfying.
Jieun <3
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
February 13 2012 02:13 GMT
#2277
On February 13 2012 09:20 Quadratic wrote:
For anyone wondering. Playdota has updated their key giveaway cut off date in their forums. Now anyone who registered before today and posted in that thread is now eligible. Good Luck guys.


So if i registered today (13th feb), im eligible for a key?
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
Quadratic
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada249 Posts
February 13 2012 02:50 GMT
#2278
On February 13 2012 11:13 KezseN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 09:20 Quadratic wrote:
For anyone wondering. Playdota has updated their key giveaway cut off date in their forums. Now anyone who registered before today and posted in that thread is now eligible. Good Luck guys.


So if i registered today (13th feb), im eligible for a key?



Sorry I forgot this site is on KST. It's Feb 12th. (I'm EST, still Feb 12th here). Sorry if that got your hopes up. I would sign up anyways and post on in the key thread because they keep raising the date of eligibility.
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
February 13 2012 06:02 GMT
#2279
On February 13 2012 11:50 Quadratic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 11:13 KezseN wrote:
On February 13 2012 09:20 Quadratic wrote:
For anyone wondering. Playdota has updated their key giveaway cut off date in their forums. Now anyone who registered before today and posted in that thread is now eligible. Good Luck guys.


So if i registered today (13th feb), im eligible for a key?



Sorry I forgot this site is on KST. It's Feb 12th. (I'm EST, still Feb 12th here). Sorry if that got your hopes up. I would sign up anyways and post on in the key thread because they keep raising the date of eligibility.


Ah no worries, was wondering cus i wanna get my brother a key as well
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 13 2012 09:51 GMT
#2280
Just played Zeus for the first time ever. I actually really enjoyed him(other than the other team just trying to smash me the entire fucking time). Its sweet how much damage you can just turret out. It was also a crazy game, we were way down, like 15 kills and had lost our bot Rax, but we turned it all around on an awesome fight at roshan... Our kunkka caught all 5 of them in torrent, smashed them with the boat, then lich popped his ult on all 5, and i ulted.... ALL DEAD! Also doesn't hurt having an antimage to bring it back in the late game.
Jieun <3
Prev 1 112 113 114 115 116 6534 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
18:00
RO8 Round Robin Group - Day 3
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
ZZZero.O277
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SpeCial 306
JuggernautJason139
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12821
ZZZero.O 277
Aegong 106
HiyA 38
JulyZerg 11
MaD[AoV]10
910 7
Dota 2
syndereN650
League of Legends
Grubby4490
JimRising 332
Counter-Strike
fl0m4670
Stewie2K734
flusha596
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox957
Mew2King249
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu597
Khaldor361
Other Games
tarik_tv9112
gofns5687
FrodaN2284
Dendi907
shahzam293
Trikslyr93
Sick55
ProTech20
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2431
BasetradeTV9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta97
• printf 91
• StrangeGG 72
• Adnapsc2 21
• musti20045 18
• Dystopia_ 4
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix3
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22887
League of Legends
• Doublelift4189
Other Games
• imaqtpie1380
Upcoming Events
FEL
11h 48m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
16h 48m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
20h 48m
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Online Event
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Xiamen Invitational
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL Team Wars
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.