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Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 18:56:19
February 12 2012 18:49 GMT
#2261
On February 13 2012 02:43 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 02:39 Yoshi- wrote:
Manta rush is may even worse than lothars.

In pubs lothars >>>>>>>>>>>>> rest easily

Janggo + Yasha

even worse

Lothars is cheaper
gives more damage
gives more movement speed, while windwalked
and a pretty good escape

For serious games bkb into hotd.

And the janggo should be carried by a support
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-12 19:18:24
February 12 2012 19:09 GMT
#2262
On February 13 2012 03:49 Yoshi- wrote:
even worse

Lothars is cheaper
gives more damage
gives more movement speed, while windwalked
and a pretty good escape

Yes Lothar's is cheaper, but also gives worse stats and is on the whole less cost-effective. Janggo/Yasha also build from small, easy-to-build components, so the two potential advantages of cheap items (cost-effective, gets you to fights quickly) do not favor Lothar's at all in this comparison.

No, Lothar's does not give more damage. Janggo + Yasha gives 25 Agility + 9 damage, but Trueshot Aura multiplies Agility based damage and not plain damage, meaning that if you have 2nd rank or higher of Trueshot Aura, Janggo + Yasha gives more damage. This is not even considering the fact that Janggo + Yasha also gives +45% IAS passively, plus another 10 actively, when Lothar's gives a measly 10%.

Janggo + Yasha gives 15% MS passively, and another +10% actively. That's more than Lothar's in all scenarios.

The escape is unreliable. You're gambling on the fact that not 1 of the 5 people on the enemy team will buy dust for you. In the average case, having more HP/armor/movespeed from Janggo + Yasha is more likely to get you out alive.

While HotD/Manta based builds are indeed safer and more stable, Janggo + Yasha is more directly comparable to Lothar's in pub games, because it builds from small components that come together quickly and get you into fights immediately. And the combination compares extremely favorably to Lothar's.

On February 13 2012 03:49 Yoshi- wrote:
And the janggo should be carried by a support

Janggo can be carried by ANYONE. BH, Invoker, CK, and Panda are all common Janggo carriers in competitive play. While a support may get Janggo later, the stats are cost-effective even considering the redundant auras, and buying a new Janggo on someone else is more cost-efficient than refilling Janggo by re-buying the recipe.
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 12 2012 19:18 GMT
#2263
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 12 2012 19:20 GMT
#2264
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!

Steam is down for everyone right now, as far as I'm aware.
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N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 12 2012 19:23 GMT
#2265
ohhh that makes me less worried. Thank you
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Pseudoku
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1279 Posts
February 12 2012 20:01 GMT
#2266
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!


You get an abandon if you go afk for 5 minutes (if your character doesn't perform any actions - so talking does not count).
Logic fails because we are lazy.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
February 12 2012 20:02 GMT
#2267
On February 13 2012 05:01 Pseudoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!


You get an abandon if you go afk for 5 minutes (if your character doesn't perform any actions - so talking does not count).



I guess they really frown on afking. Guess I won't be doing that anymore T.T
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
February 12 2012 20:05 GMT
#2268
On February 13 2012 05:02 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 05:01 Pseudoku wrote:
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!


You get an abandon if you go afk for 5 minutes (if your character doesn't perform any actions - so talking does not count).



I guess they really frown on afking. Guess I won't be doing that anymore T.T


Afking in many cases is more annoying and worse than just quitting the game.
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
February 12 2012 20:26 GMT
#2269
Tobi + Mulan = win
ArcticVanguard
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States450 Posts
February 12 2012 20:41 GMT
#2270
On February 13 2012 05:26 mrgerry wrote:
Tobi + Mulan = win

This. I was resisting every urge to sing along with him. I didn't know he was such a good singer!
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~C.S. Lewis
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
February 12 2012 20:49 GMT
#2271
On February 13 2012 05:41 ArcticVanguard wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 05:26 mrgerry wrote:
Tobi + Mulan = win

This. I was resisting every urge to sing along with him. I didn't know he was such a good singer!


He is when he picks the right song. Sometimes though....(Jack Sparrow comes to mind )
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
February 12 2012 21:14 GMT
#2272
On February 13 2012 04:20 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 04:18 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So i've played a couple games, gone 2/4 overall but it says ive "abandoned" 2 games. I went out for a smoke which took maybe 3 minutes and came back before the game ended twice but how the fuck can those be abandoning a game thats totally over? This put me into the "low priority" MM group for 24 hours apparently, and after I came back from lunch pressing the find game button did nothing. So I quit dota 2, tried to load it back up and steam says it can't sync my files with the cloud and the game won't work.

WTF?!?!

Steam is down for everyone right now, as far as I'm aware.


I have no idea what happened in the past few hours, is it still down?
ffxiv enjoyer
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 12 2012 21:24 GMT
#2273
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?p=29146640#post29146640
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Quadratic
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada249 Posts
February 13 2012 00:20 GMT
#2274
For anyone wondering. Playdota has updated their key giveaway cut off date in their forums. Now anyone who registered before today and posted in that thread is now eligible. Good Luck guys.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 13 2012 01:03 GMT
#2275
Best drunk hero?

I'm saying toss up between BH and Axe.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#2276
On February 13 2012 10:03 Nevuk wrote:
Best drunk hero?

I'm saying toss up between BH and Axe.


I have quite a bit experience playing drunk lol. Axe is sweet but I think Storm Spirit is definetly the best drunk hero. Just flying around everywhere like a boss. Also skeleton king is sweet while hammered because you just run around into 1v5 and never die... so satisfying.
Jieun <3
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
February 13 2012 02:13 GMT
#2277
On February 13 2012 09:20 Quadratic wrote:
For anyone wondering. Playdota has updated their key giveaway cut off date in their forums. Now anyone who registered before today and posted in that thread is now eligible. Good Luck guys.


So if i registered today (13th feb), im eligible for a key?
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
Quadratic
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada249 Posts
February 13 2012 02:50 GMT
#2278
On February 13 2012 11:13 KezseN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 09:20 Quadratic wrote:
For anyone wondering. Playdota has updated their key giveaway cut off date in their forums. Now anyone who registered before today and posted in that thread is now eligible. Good Luck guys.


So if i registered today (13th feb), im eligible for a key?



Sorry I forgot this site is on KST. It's Feb 12th. (I'm EST, still Feb 12th here). Sorry if that got your hopes up. I would sign up anyways and post on in the key thread because they keep raising the date of eligibility.
KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
February 13 2012 06:02 GMT
#2279
On February 13 2012 11:50 Quadratic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2012 11:13 KezseN wrote:
On February 13 2012 09:20 Quadratic wrote:
For anyone wondering. Playdota has updated their key giveaway cut off date in their forums. Now anyone who registered before today and posted in that thread is now eligible. Good Luck guys.


So if i registered today (13th feb), im eligible for a key?



Sorry I forgot this site is on KST. It's Feb 12th. (I'm EST, still Feb 12th here). Sorry if that got your hopes up. I would sign up anyways and post on in the key thread because they keep raising the date of eligibility.


Ah no worries, was wondering cus i wanna get my brother a key as well
To Skeleton King: "Have you considered employment at Apple?"
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 13 2012 09:51 GMT
#2280
Just played Zeus for the first time ever. I actually really enjoyed him(other than the other team just trying to smash me the entire fucking time). Its sweet how much damage you can just turret out. It was also a crazy game, we were way down, like 15 kills and had lost our bot Rax, but we turned it all around on an awesome fight at roshan... Our kunkka caught all 5 of them in torrent, smashed them with the boat, then lich popped his ult on all 5, and i ulted.... ALL DEAD! Also doesn't hurt having an antimage to bring it back in the late game.
Jieun <3
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