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On May 22 2012 08:40 5-s wrote:
Based on LOD experience,
Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick)
Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this)
Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one.
I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick.
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On May 22 2012 08:49 Muki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:40 5-s wrote:
Based on LOD experience,
Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick)
Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this)
Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one. I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick.
Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better.
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I suppose the only worst skill justified well so far is Chilling Touch. Only pro I've seen skill it right away was Artstyle back in Na'Vi and even then he only did it in 1 game. As to whoever said Expulsion being the worst (since no one addressed it), I'm not sure you are aware of the most recent change with it healing and damaging, but it is the reason that Pit Lord has not been added back to -CM mode. Most people would not even get Firestorm first anymore on him.
And I take offensive to calling Skewer the worst skill. Magnataur by far the best hero it's not embarassing to miss skewers it's just funny. I watch a few replays of Waga playing Mag even he miss them a lot  .
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On May 22 2012 08:52 5-s wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:49 Muki wrote:On May 22 2012 08:40 5-s wrote:
Based on LOD experience,
Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick)
Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this)
Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one. I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick. Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better.
Frost arrow. Venomancer poison passive. Brilliance aura. Rot. And I guess chilling touch.
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On May 22 2012 06:25 Altsa wrote:
When comparing skills 1:1, Chronosphere wins. Always.
And thats the only way to determine "best ability" since in Dota, everything is situational.
Chrono too good :D
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On May 22 2012 08:52 5-s wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:49 Muki wrote:On May 22 2012 08:40 5-s wrote:
Based on LOD experience,
Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick)
Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this)
Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one. I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick. Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better.
This could apply to all of Meepo's non-ultimate skills though, they are weak when you consider them on a stand-alone hero. The entire hero is designed around the fact that they'll be multiple versions of him, in that sense Geostrike is a damn good skill because it can achieve an 80% slow and 80 damage per second for 2 seconds.
Earthbind would be rubbish if there weren't potentially 4 nets flying around for permanent binding. Poof would similarly just be a 280 damage nuke in a small AoE with a 1.5 second cast time.
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not sure about the worst skill, but vacuum has got to be up there with the best ones. In a game so heavily dependent on good positioning, a spell which shits on positioning of entire teams with a HUGE aoe is just insane.
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Best: Panda Split is up there with Blink. Furion's teleport is also insane.
Worst: Lina's Fiery Soul, it just doesnt make sense! Also AA's Chilling Touch is pretty awful.
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vacuum is too good, same with DS's ulti. One good vac wins the game
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Best nonultimate skills: Blink/Vacuum/Shackle Shot
Best Ultimate: Ravage
Worst: AA's chilling touch
I also agree with upheaval being very underrated.
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On May 22 2012 08:52 5-s wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:49 Muki wrote:On May 22 2012 08:40 5-s wrote:
Based on LOD experience,
Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick)
Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this)
Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one. I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick. Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better.
With that logic I would say that meepos ultimate would be the best skill then. Imagine if anitmage had it instead of mana void would be so imba.
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Theoretically, Chilling Touch is an additional 1750 magic damage in a team fight, which isn't bad numbers wise. It's just that AA has so much else to do with his mana that it seems so bad.
Worst normal skill: I'm probably going to have to go with Lion's Mana Drain.
Best normal skill: Shackleshot.
Worst ultimate: While not actually bad, I'm going to go with Great Fortitude and Marksmanship. Blandest skills ever.
Best ultimate: Black Hole and Ravage are really close for me.
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Good or not, I don't like passive crit chance - and it's on too many heroes. Yurnero is cool, but he'd be 10x cooler if he had a more awesome E.
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On May 22 2012 12:34 Mythra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 08:52 5-s wrote:On May 22 2012 08:49 Muki wrote:On May 22 2012 08:40 5-s wrote:
Based on LOD experience,
Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick)
Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this)
Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one. I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick. Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better. With that logic I would say that meepos ultimate would be the best skill then. Imagine if anitmage had it instead of mana void would be so imba.
Actually I think that's the wrong approach. Despite the fact blink is a good skill to have on the clones, AM mainly relies on items to damage. If he has mini antimages, they won't be as tank as the real one and can get instagibed and the minor increase in damage/mana burn isn't that good.
But instead, imagine windrunner with meepo ult...
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On May 22 2012 08:58 The Great Taste wrote:I suppose the only worst skill justified well so far is Chilling Touch. Only pro I've seen skill it right away was Artstyle back in Na'Vi and even then he only did it in 1 game. As to whoever said Expulsion being the worst (since no one addressed it), I'm not sure you are aware of the most recent change with it healing and damaging, but it is the reason that Pit Lord has not been added back to -CM mode. Most people would not even get Firestorm first anymore on him. And I take offensive to calling Skewer the worst skill. Magnataur by far the best hero it's not embarassing to miss skewers it's just funny. I watch a few replays of Waga playing Mag even he miss them a lot .
Chilling Touch is an insane spell, in the right lineup it can be devestating i.e with a beastmaster using aura, it's very situational but it can be very imba. Even as a solo mid.
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On May 22 2012 14:22 Cres wrote:Show nested quote +On May 22 2012 12:34 Mythra wrote:On May 22 2012 08:52 5-s wrote:On May 22 2012 08:49 Muki wrote:On May 22 2012 08:40 5-s wrote:
Based on LOD experience,
Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick)
Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this)
Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one. I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick. Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better. With that logic I would say that meepos ultimate would be the best skill then. Imagine if anitmage had it instead of mana void would be so imba. Actually I think that's the wrong approach. Despite the fact blink is a good skill to have on the clones, AM mainly relies on items to damage. If he has mini antimages, they won't be as tank as the real one and can get instagibed and the minor increase in damage/mana burn isn't that good. But instead, imagine windrunner with meepo ult...
Never underestimate the sheer damage that Mana Break does though even thought you are right, as any carry AM needs items to do damage.
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illuminate and chakra on meepo clones.
you cant even get other spells on meepo clones in LoD anyway
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The luck based skills are hard to predict. Rewind is either the best skill in the game or the worst depending on your luck.
Chilling touch isn't so much bad as that it's just completely outclassed by the other two early game and in the mid-early late game is going to lower dps rather than raise it. vs Omni I would totally take it though and in the late game the -15% as is probably going to be negligible compared to the however much damage and the fact that magic resistance has a hard limit for most heroes (besides PL + AM) while armor can get ridiculously high once people have reached 25 with AC + Shiva's everywhere.
Ravage is an amazing spell but it's not quite as good without kraken shell's synergy. Omni's guardian angel can be the best spell in the game, but these are all going to be situational and based upon team lineups (vs an all magic aoe lineup it doesn't do much).
Worst active spell : Enfeeble. In fact, almost all of Bane's abilities are pretty terrible besides brain sap.
Most underrated spell : midnight pulse
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