On June 13 2012 20:57 findingthelimit wrote: reading this thread makes me sad.... i can't believe people think AA's third is "useless"... chilling touch amplifies damage to such a great extend if used in combination with his E.
anyhow, imo, best skill is prophet's teleportation, worst skill is lion's mana drain. i personally dont skill mana drain till level 22, and before any of you flame me, be informed that mana drain is never learned in any -cm game.
pub might be different to -cm, but lion played properly should never have mana issues, provided the player is not stupid-
Bahaha. Yea, no. Lions always get atleast ONE point in mana drain even in competitive games, they might not get it super fast, but they will get it for the fact that it: Pops illus instantly. Triggers spell-shields. It's a decent utility spell.
AA chilling touch on the other hand is skipped in 99% of all cases, even in competitive play.
Also lion has pretty fucking crazy mana costs on his spells. So even played well, he will not gain all the mana he needs from arcanes(If that is your boots of choice).
Also, you can play CM pubs as well, so why do you mention CM as though it's different from pubs?
On June 13 2012 21:45 Torte de Lini wrote: Worst is probably Tide Hunter's shell thing.
I disagree. It has saved my ass soooo many times. It's amazing at baiting stupid heroes. See tide at 50% health, come attack, deal 20 damage per hit and die while running away from gush.
On June 13 2012 21:45 Torte de Lini wrote: Best is Shackle shot. Worst is probably Tide Hunter's shell thing.
How is a skill that reduces damage from attacks by a good amount along with preventing you from being stun-locked so you can't ulti at all, in any way bad? I'd like to hear your logic behind that one.
Test of Faith, huge mana cost, huge cooldown, single target and not even a lousy special effect. That is on a hero that don't even got any other nuke, since nukes get better the more you have heroes with more nukes usually have weaker nukes but Chen just got this single one and it is the worst nuke in the game. It was good when it could tp allies but now it is just sad. He would be better off with just about any other nuke in the game.
On June 14 2012 00:39 deth2munkies wrote: I'm working on ~4 year old DotA knowledge here, but here it is:
Best: Ravage...by far.
Worst: Upheval. It has very limited uses, but is much more narrow than any other skill in the game.
I can't agree with Upheaval. It's a synergy spell, and incredibly effective. with your golem (hopefully 4, lol), fatal bonds and necro book creeps, you need a large AOE spell to keep your enemies there to get hurt, instead of them dispersing. at it's final level, it's an 84% slow in 4 seconds. It's the most powerful slow in the game, and it has 3 seconds of persistent slow after leaving the area. And that's dictated by how long Warlock has been channeling, not how long you stay in there. that could mean 4 seconds of moving at snails place if you accidentally step in for a second.
Plus, I suppose it helps your allies catch the opponent, but I prefer golems and necronomicon creeps. They're easier to boss around.
On June 17 2012 01:01 Klockan3 wrote: Test of Faith, huge mana cost, huge cooldown, single target and not even a lousy special effect. That is on a hero that don't even got any other nuke, since nukes get better the more you have heroes with more nukes usually have weaker nukes but Chen just got this single one and it is the worst nuke in the game. It was good when it could tp allies but now it is just sad. He would be better off with just about any other nuke in the game.
it definitely is not the worst nuke in the game, it does 200-400 PURE damage to a target. the animation is instant and the max 400 dmg is the highest dmg nuke in the game(non ulti).
EPT
