EPTPersonally I think AA's third skill takes the cake. The skill is so bad that it's almost a debuff.
Best skill I'll say Tidebringer. What else gives a reliable 2k crit? Also makes Kunkka incredibly annoying to lane against.
Best and worst skill in the game?
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Space Invader
Australia291 Posts
Personally I think AA's third skill takes the cake. The skill is so bad that it's almost a debuff. Best skill I'll say Tidebringer. What else gives a reliable 2k crit? Also makes Kunkka incredibly annoying to lane against. | ||
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Altsa
Finland990 Posts
And thats the only way to determine "best ability" since in Dota, everything is situational. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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BeanerBurrito
1010 Posts
Worst: Expulsion (if you don't know what it is because it's so bad, it's pitlords corpse explosion) | ||
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Maand
326 Posts
Best: I think I'll second Blink. Pure amazing. | ||
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XiGua
Sweden3085 Posts
Worst skill: AA's third spell, it's the only spell that you don't want to skill... lol | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
and yeah, AAs is really lol, you dont even want to use it most of the time  | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
Determined through experience in LoD: Generally Ravage is the best skill in the game. (There's a good reason why TLDB considers it the only S+ Ultimate in LoD  )Generally Chilling Touch is the worst skill in the game. | ||
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jeeneeus
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EtherealBlade
660 Posts
Best skill: Lich's dark ritual and Tuskarr's WALRUS PUNCH! | ||
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Mythra
New Zealand274 Posts
Best: Rubicks ultimate spell steal thing | ||
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RogerChillingworth
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Fishgle
United States2174 Posts
that said, Desolate, Curse of the Silent, Shrapnel, Ice Path, Firestorm are worst Ravage, Fatal Bonds, Black Hole, Shackle & Shackles, any and all Blink abilities, Howl, Smoke Cloud, Teleportation, Enchant/Holy Persuasion, Ice Blast, Diabolic Edict, Panda Split, Silence (drow/dp) and Doom are all really good wait wait no. All of silencer's abilities are awful. And all of sniper's too. T_T | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
Calling chilling touch really good and calling desolate bad. | ||
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ggahSoO
United States191 Posts
On May 22 2012 07:52 Fishgle wrote: too many haters in here. Chilling Touch is really good. that said, Desolate, Curse of the Silent, Shrapnel, Ice Path, Firestorm are worst Ravage, Fatal Bonds, Black Hole, Shackle & Shackles, any and all Blink abilities, Howl, Smoke Cloud, Teleportation, Enchant/Holy Persuasion, Ice Blast, Diabolic Edict, Panda Split, Silence (drow/dp) and Doom are all really fuckin good Lolwat? All of the worst skills you listed are good... Firestorm and Shrapnel can push, Curse is an amazing lane control spell vs. low mana casters, ice path is a stun (always good). Desolate is meh because of the hero it is on needs farm to do anything so the early +damage is kind of wasted. Chilling touch is essentially a worse, active desolate anyways. Worst spell is still chilling touch imo, if it gets buffed to do damage to buildings it could be really good though. Best spell probably ravage or fissure. Perfect fissures are pretty amazing because they can come out at level 1. | ||
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Highwinds
Canada955 Posts
Best is Dark Seer ulti. That thing late game is just too amazing cant count how many times i copy a whole team and focus all 5 illusions onto a weak hero and kill it in seconds. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Kahzaar
Sweden897 Posts
On May 22 2012 07:18 Mythra wrote: Worst: Lions mana drain (pretty useless) Best: Rubicks ultimate spell steal thing Mana drain can actually be very good, though it's very situational. It instakills illusions, so lion can be used as a counterpick to morphling if you have a carry on your team that always gets replicated. Worst: maybe Fiery Soul or Chilling Touch although both can be good in certain situations Best: Black Hole, Primal Roar | ||
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick) Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this) | ||
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
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EtherealBlade
660 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:40 5-s wrote: Based on LOD experience, Best: Probably overpower or flak cannon on ranged. (Both would be sick) Worst: Skewer (Magnatard) - this skill is always embarrassing to watch people miss, or geostrike (pretty much every passive is just better than this) Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one. I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick. | ||
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5-s
United States1674 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:49 Muki wrote: Haha Magnus' new skill I forgot about. Yeah that's a pretty bad one. I don't see why geostrike is bad though? It's the reason why 2-3 Meepos can cannibalise other heroes SO quick. Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better. | ||
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The Great Taste
389 Posts
And I take offensive to calling Skewer the worst skill. Magnataur by far the best hero it's not embarassing to miss skewers it's just funny. I watch a few replays of Waga playing Mag even he miss them a lot . | ||
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igotmyown
United States4291 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:52 5-s wrote: Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better. Frost arrow. Venomancer poison passive. Brilliance aura. Rot. And I guess chilling touch. | ||
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
On May 22 2012 06:25 Altsa wrote: When comparing skills 1:1, Chronosphere wins. Always. And thats the only way to determine "best ability" since in Dota, everything is situational. Chrono too good :D | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:52 5-s wrote: Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better. This could apply to all of Meepo's non-ultimate skills though, they are weak when you consider them on a stand-alone hero. The entire hero is designed around the fact that they'll be multiple versions of him, in that sense Geostrike is a damn good skill because it can achieve an 80% slow and 80 damage per second for 2 seconds. Earthbind would be rubbish if there weren't potentially 4 nets flying around for permanent binding. Poof would similarly just be a 280 damage nuke in a small AoE with a 1.5 second cast time. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
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theslayer922
Canada304 Posts
Worst: Lina's Fiery Soul, it just doesnt make sense! Also AA's Chilling Touch is pretty awful. | ||
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BlindKill
Australia1508 Posts
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
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Percutio
United States1672 Posts
Best Ultimate: Ravage Worst: AA's chilling touch I also agree with upheaval being very underrated. | ||
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Mythra
New Zealand274 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:52 5-s wrote: Give meepo any other skill in that slot, multiply it by four, and see why it's awful. Every other spell in the game would be better. With that logic I would say that meepos ultimate would be the best skill then. Imagine if anitmage had it instead of mana void would be so imba. | ||
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520
United States2822 Posts
Worst normal skill: I'm probably going to have to go with Lion's Mana Drain. Best normal skill: Shackleshot. Worst ultimate: While not actually bad, I'm going to go with Great Fortitude and Marksmanship. Blandest skills ever. Best ultimate: Black Hole and Ravage are really close for me. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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Cres
United States227 Posts
On May 22 2012 12:34 Mythra wrote: With that logic I would say that meepos ultimate would be the best skill then. Imagine if anitmage had it instead of mana void would be so imba. Actually I think that's the wrong approach. Despite the fact blink is a good skill to have on the clones, AM mainly relies on items to damage. If he has mini antimages, they won't be as tank as the real one and can get instagibed and the minor increase in damage/mana burn isn't that good. But instead, imagine windrunner with meepo ult... | ||
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Ivz
Denmark156 Posts
On May 22 2012 08:58 The Great Taste wrote: I suppose the only worst skill justified well so far is Chilling Touch. Only pro I've seen skill it right away was Artstyle back in Na'Vi and even then he only did it in 1 game. As to whoever said Expulsion being the worst (since no one addressed it), I'm not sure you are aware of the most recent change with it healing and damaging, but it is the reason that Pit Lord has not been added back to -CM mode. Most people would not even get Firestorm first anymore on him. And I take offensive to calling Skewer the worst skill. Magnataur by far the best hero it's not embarassing to miss skewers it's just funny. I watch a few replays of Waga playing Mag even he miss them a lot .Chilling Touch is an insane spell, in the right lineup it can be devestating i.e with a beastmaster using aura, it's very situational but it can be very imba. Even as a solo mid. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On May 22 2012 14:22 Cres wrote: Actually I think that's the wrong approach. Despite the fact blink is a good skill to have on the clones, AM mainly relies on items to damage. If he has mini antimages, they won't be as tank as the real one and can get instagibed and the minor increase in damage/mana burn isn't that good. But instead, imagine windrunner with meepo ult... Never underestimate the sheer damage that Mana Break does though even thought you are right, as any carry AM needs items to do damage. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
you cant even get other spells on meepo clones in LoD anyway | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Chilling touch isn't so much bad as that it's just completely outclassed by the other two early game and in the mid-early late game is going to lower dps rather than raise it. vs Omni I would totally take it though and in the late game the -15% as is probably going to be negligible compared to the however much damage and the fact that magic resistance has a hard limit for most heroes (besides PL + AM) while armor can get ridiculously high once people have reached 25 with AC + Shiva's everywhere. Ravage is an amazing spell but it's not quite as good without kraken shell's synergy. Omni's guardian angel can be the best spell in the game, but these are all going to be situational and based upon team lineups (vs an all magic aoe lineup it doesn't do much). Worst active spell : Enfeeble. In fact, almost all of Bane's abilities are pretty terrible besides brain sap. Most underrated spell : midnight pulse | ||
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Porkz
Denmark1027 Posts
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Klowney
Sweden277 Posts
Worst normal skill: brilliance aura, close to useless now when everyone use soul ring/mana boots. Best ulti: vendetta, hero not in DotA2 yet but it makes you invis and deals massive dmg(525) and he can pretty much solo all the heroes in the game combined with his other skills. Worst Ulti: multicast, when it works it´s great but it adds high mana cost and it doesn´t always trigger. | ||
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Space Invader
Australia291 Posts
how is midnight pulse underrated? it gets used all the time anyway i was talking more specifically about dota 2 skills with the current hero set, there are probably too many heroes in dota to think of the best/worst :p | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
Worst is Lina's passive imo, should have a permanent effect, not based on stacks. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
Worst skills: Chilling Touch, Fiery soul and hmm, perhaps dobbelwalk. Mana drain. Best skills: Shackleshotx1000000000000000. Best skill ever. Blink sweet too. Ultimates are in a category for themselves | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Fwizzz
Philippines4420 Posts
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cptKewk
Sweden87 Posts
On May 22 2012 20:19 EmilA wrote: Worst skills: Chilling Touch, Fiery soul and hmm, perhaps dobbelwalk... How did you write those downside up p:s?  Best skill for me is super subjective, Blink all the way. I would have it IRL if I could choose any! Worst skill is hard. Quit dota1 before AA and haven't played him very much in dota2 so i'll have to trust y'all :D | ||
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LikeAG6
Australia74 Posts
Not sure about worst | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On May 22 2012 19:15 Space Invader wrote: enfeeble is a sickly good spell... it doesn't get used as much till lategame because nightmare and brain sap are too valuable, that's the only thing. how is midnight pulse underrated? it gets used all the time anyway i was talking more specifically about dota 2 skills with the current hero set, there are probably too many heroes in dota to think of the best/worst :p Well, when people think of Enigma they think of his ultimate, stun, and eidolons, while midnight pulse + an ult are what let enigma flat out team wipe. From what I see of it in pro games it's underutilized outside of destroying trees as people react too rapidly to cast pulse + black hole without them running out. A flat -100 damage is just a lazy spell. Boring, adds nothing to the table and scales horribly. | ||
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lagmaster
United States374 Posts
Ravage, reverse polarity, primal roar, black hole, supernova and chronosphere are all amazing. I think ravage is the best simply because it requires the least amount of skill. Nevertheless these are all S class skills lod or not. Not sure about the worst ultimate. I don't like wd's ult. Best regular skill? Storm bolt, fissure or furion's tp | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
as for ut, ravage :D | ||
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Nub4ever
Canada1981 Posts
On May 22 2012 17:57 Nevuk wrote: The luck based skills are hard to predict. Rewind is either the best skill in the game or the worst depending on your luck. Chilling touch isn't so much bad as that it's just completely outclassed by the other two early game and in the mid-early late game is going to lower dps rather than raise it. vs Omni I would totally take it though and in the late game the -15% as is probably going to be negligible compared to the however much damage and the fact that magic resistance has a hard limit for most heroes (besides PL + AM) while armor can get ridiculously high once people have reached 25 with AC + Shiva's everywhere. Ravage is an amazing spell but it's not quite as good without kraken shell's synergy. Omni's guardian angel can be the best spell in the game, but these are all going to be situational and based upon team lineups (vs an all magic aoe lineup it doesn't do much). Worst active spell : Enfeeble. In fact, almost all of Bane's abilities are pretty terrible besides brain sap. Most underrated spell : midnight pulse idk. I feel enfeeble is really quite great in laning. Get it at lvl 1, drop it on the enemy hero and they might as well not be in lane in terms of last hit presence. If you want to say skills like rewind are amazing. Then you have things like maledict. Most potential damage in the game :3 I'm basing my opinions on skills not considering their CD's and mana costs etc. In any case, all the skills in DotA are useable at some point. Chilling touch is, even though literally never used it's not TERRIBLE. But it's generally not taken over stats. TBH I feel the worst skill is actually Ice Path. Its a 1 second stun on lvl 1 increasing by .33 per level. It's only a 2 second stun on lvl 4. The only decent thing about the skill is it has great range. But otherwise its a stun with nice range but 0 damage and is extremely unreliable. Compare it to WR's shackle which is probably even more reliable so long as you're a decent enough player. They both do no damage but WR's stun is 3.75 seconds on 2 targets. Almost double the duration and probably stuns as many people as Jakiro's stun ever will. But the other 3 skills I feel WR is stronger. Her nuke has much longer range and higher damage, jakiro's ulti I can barely count as a nuke and imo is a close second after Ice path for worst skill. His only really good skill I feel is liquid fire which makes pushing great. Best skill... I'm going to have to agree with chronosphere. I perfect chrono is literally unbeatable. The potential to have a 5 second stun on the entire enemy team that also disables towers and reveals invis. AND if you do it right your team won't get stunned either. Kinda good. Almost impossible to use perfectly but probably the potentially strongest skill in the game. But if you want to go by pure damage, maledict wins :3 | ||
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dragonborn
4781 Posts
Lion's mana drain is the worst. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
Best skill? Probably shackle or black hole for me | ||
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Qbek
Poland12923 Posts
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
On May 22 2012 20:19 EmilA wrote: Comeon, let's stick to Dota2 and let's not say "if X had Y skill it would be the best" :D Worst skills: Chilling Touch, Fiery soul and hmm, perhaps dobbelwalk. Mana drain. Best skills: Shackleshotx1000000000000000. Best skill ever. Blink sweet too. Ultimates are in a category for themselves Mana drain is a very convenient spell for taking away Linkens Sphere before everyone unleashes their shit on a LS holder. Arrow and Sunstrike are awesome spells, there's nothing better than hitting someone who thinks they're safe. Worst spell? I fucking hate rewind, nothing worse than Void rewinding your ulti as Lina and then proceeding to rape your face. | ||
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EtherealBlade
660 Posts
I wonder how Visage's ultimate holds up, last time I played those birds weren't the big deal they used to be. Also one of my favourite new heroes in dota was the little murloc, his ultimate is: Invisibility on cast, +30% movement speed and +3% HP regeneration when not visible And when active he can attack while invis like a DT! This skill can be abused so much in pubs. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
On May 23 2012 00:36 Muki wrote: Uhm I thought rewind means Weaver's or Tinker's ult but I just checked it, you guys actually mean Void's backtrack which made it to HoN. I wonder how Visage's ultimate holds up, last time I played those birds weren't the big deal they used to be. Also one of my favourite new heroes in dota was the little murloc, his ultimate is: And when active he can attack while invis like a DT! This skill can be abused so much in pubs. old visage ult or new? also, fuck yeah blink | ||
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Xism
Norway126 Posts
Invoke | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
Hero Skill fissure and leshrac stun are ridiculously good on heroes with good cast animation edit: these are nonult | ||
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Porkz
Denmark1027 Posts
On May 23 2012 00:59 Xism wrote: I can't believe this thread has been going on for 3 pages and nobody said this: Invoke I said that at the bottom of page 2 >: ( | ||
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Xism
Norway126 Posts
You asked if it counted, should've just blatantly stated it was the best :D | ||
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Maand
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.Carnage
United States99 Posts
Worst skill in game is Drow/DK passive Agility/Strength regen. So boring. I would say Alch's stun but its so funny when he stuns himself that it's worth it just for that. | ||
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Xism
Norway126 Posts
On May 23 2012 01:21 Maand wrote: Invoke is not a spell it's a mechanic ;o Really? Does this mean you don't get silenced by Last Word when using Invoke, for example? Also, you can't use Invoke while silenced, and well, silence prevents the use of "spells". You may be right though, I dunno. If Invoke can't be counted as a spell though, my favourite is Rearm :D | ||
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Space Invader
Australia291 Posts
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Kater
72 Posts
i personally dont like bane's enfeeble, since u preferable skill brain sap in early game and its not that useful in late game when it comes to big team fights.. imo when it comes to ultis i guess rikis perm invi and for teamfights aoe ultis ofc | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
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fifasnipe2224
United States243 Posts
Worst: Sniper Shrapnel (i dont even bother leving it, I just increase stats) | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On May 23 2012 01:36 .Carnage wrote: The best skill in the game is Shadowfiends' ult, HAVE YOU SEEN THAT ANIMATION? SOOO COOOL. Worst skill in game is Drow/DK passive Agility/Strength regen. So boring. I would say Alch's stun but its so funny when he stuns himself that it's worth it just for that. dk passive ? wtf i should report you for that ;o | ||
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Appendix
Sweden979 Posts
On May 25 2012 05:57 fifasnipe2224 wrote: BEST: QoP Blink, BH Jhinada, NS Passive Worst: Sniper Shrapnel (i dont even bother leving it, I just increase stats) I hate playing with snipers who doesn't skill shrapnel. It's like "Sniper, quick, use your one skill which does something... oh I see.. not skilled" On best, I really like global teleport when used right. | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On May 25 2012 05:57 fifasnipe2224 wrote: BEST: QoP Blink, BH Jhinada, NS Passive Worst: Sniper Shrapnel (i dont even bother leving it, I just increase stats) Sorry but the fact that you don't level shrapnell would make me rage hard when i play with you. It's the only skill sniper has that allows him to help in taking down towers(and it's very effective at that) and it's a great skill for if you want to finish off a creep wave a lot faster. It is NOT a bad ability. | ||
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Rybka
United States836 Posts
Best ult: Black Hole - Enigma Worst ability (overall): Death Pulse Worst ult: Ghost Ship | ||
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pilsken
Germany441 Posts
Why would i not get 70 magic damage per hit over 15 IAS on several heroes. Basically losing a Gloves of Haste for gaining a Relic seems like a no brainer. It actually makes even a support-hero hit hard and it's not like they are profiting much from attackspeed anyway, due to running around for positioning. So why not make every hit count? Considering AA ALSO has Vortex, which pretty much eliminates the natural magic resistance we're even talking about 70 PURE damage. 70 pure damage vs 15 IAS for 5 attacks. Thats in the ballpark region of 50% dps increase for a support hero and i'm pretty sure it's definitly a positive gain for almost 100% heroes (only exception might be Tiny here). Or asked differently: Would you switch the 20% attackspeed aura from AC for a +70 dmg +5% IAS aura? I sure as hell would. | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
how is death pulse the worst skill in the game, necro used to be one of the strongest hero's in dota also boat worst ultimate ? hmm jakiro ult ? worst skill is sven cleave imo | ||
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ggahSoO
United States191 Posts
On June 03 2012 00:34 Rybka wrote: Best ability (overall): Blink - QoP Best ult: Black Hole - Enigma Worst ability (overall): Death Pulse Worst ult: Ghost Ship If you're saying blink is the best skill at least choose the better blink. Antimage's has longer range at lower levels and a shorter cooldown. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
On June 03 2012 00:34 Rybka wrote: Best ability (overall): Blink - QoP Best ult: Black Hole - Enigma Worst ability (overall): Death Pulse Worst ult: Ghost Ship Are you serious on the Death Pulse and Ghost Ship? Those are some sweet spells... | ||
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zz_
Sweden1022 Posts
Best ults: Chronosphere, Roar, Black Hole, Ravage Worst skills: Lina passive, Enfeeble, Great Cleave...uh, might've forgot something. Worst ult (imo) is probably Phoenix egg (it's just not very good if your opponents are somewhat co-ordinated) or Grow. | ||
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
I play qop on the reg, and when i play am i feel like my blink timing is off cause he takes longer to blink... maybe its just me. | ||
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neurosx
Luxembourg1096 Posts
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Yurie
11879 Posts
On June 03 2012 04:11 zz_ wrote: Best non-ults: Blink, Shackleshot, Fissure, Vacuum Best ults: Chronosphere, Roar, Black Hole, Ravage Worst skills: Lina passive, Enfeeble, Great Cleave...uh, might've forgot something. Worst ult (imo) is probably Phoenix egg (it's just not very good if your opponents are somewhat co-ordinated) or Grow. I think Phoenix Egg is among the better ultis in the game. If you fight near the river and you get on the wrong elevation compared to them it is usually hard for them to kill it. Or if you have a coordinated team where it hits during a stun combo or something more important happens. Combos great with Tide, roof or void ultis. I personally like Panda's Primal Split more than Roar. Best passive is Tide's Kraken Shell. Best non ulti active is Blink. Best ulti is Ravage since it requires nothing to work well. | ||
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kaifragrance
Canada50 Posts
Worst skill is Juggernaut's spinning thingymajig 'cause I don't like it. ^o^ | ||
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BlackGosu
Canada1046 Posts
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
On June 03 2012 04:37 neurosx wrote: Shackleshot hello ? Why is that even a debate lol :D Because vaccum. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
yep vaccum is pretty strong indeed | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
It makes it near impossible to have good positioning in a teamfight and it combos so well with any type of AOE. And you can reach people more than 800 range away. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On May 22 2012 07:40 RogerChillingworth wrote: best: diabolic edict Agreed 50x. Ridiculous damage, channeled on the run, tower damage, low mana cost. Easily one of the best if not the best ability in the game. | ||
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blahblahyoutoo
14 Posts
On May 22 2012 06:58 Catch]22 wrote: Most underrated skill by alot of people: Upheaval and yeah, AAs is really lol, you dont even want to use it most of the time Most of the time? I think I used it once, realized it sucked and never leveled it again. | ||
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blahblahyoutoo
14 Posts
On May 22 2012 07:16 Muki wrote: Worst: Jakiro's Ice path and Rigwarl's actives (magic wand ftw) Best skill: Lich's dark ritual and Tuskarr's WALRUS PUNCH! No way Jak's ice path can be considered bad. | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
stun + escape mech + nuke Ults are harder to judge because most of them have synergy with a hero's other skills and stats. I think best stand alone ultimates are probably ravage, primal roar, and chain frost. Icefrog's done a pretty good job of eliminating most of the truly useless skills in recent versions. | ||
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how2TL
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Dreamer.T
United States3584 Posts
Best ult in terms of 1v1: Chronosphere (obviously) Best ult in general: Ravage/Blackhole/Panda ult | ||
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dranko
Sweden378 Posts
On June 06 2012 04:45 blahblahyoutoo wrote: No way Jak's ice path can be considered bad. No, it's pretty bad, just not the worst in the game. | ||
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WetSocks
United States953 Posts
Worst : Huskar's ult ( Life Break? ) soooooo OP ! 1 button to rule them all! | ||
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
Best level 2? Sunstrike | ||
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Zariel
Australia1285 Posts
Best Skill: Ultimate: Reverse Polarity or Chronosphere - Goes through magic immunity. All other ones can be stopped/prevented one way or another. Normal: Blink Worst Skill: Ultimate: Wall of Replica - Convince me that this skill is actually good. It was sooo bad before, I think they gave it heaps of buffs since though. Normal: Upheaval is pretty bad too, a skill like that should not be channeling. | ||
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Mota_V
Australia40 Posts
Best ult: Reverse Polarity, Chronosphere, Ravage, Panda Worst: Jakiro Ice (I dont bother getting more then one, if any), Upheaval is great in team fights, fatal bonds, ult, upheaval. Enemies slowed to pretty much not moving. Massive AOE! | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On June 06 2012 15:36 Zariel wrote: As an LoD Player: Best Skill: Ultimate: Reverse Polarity or Chronosphere - Goes through magic immunity. All other ones can be stopped/prevented one way or another. Normal: Blink Worst Skill: Ultimate: Wall of Replica - Convince me that this skill is actually good. It was sooo bad before, I think they gave it heaps of buffs since though. Normal: Upheaval is pretty bad too, a skill like that should not be channeling. it's not hard to convince anyone that wall of replica is good lol. since the illusions deal more damage than the original heroes with an aghanim's, you can massacre the enemy team with their own carry. combined with vacuum you can force enemy heroes to go through it. | ||
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
On June 06 2012 15:36 Zariel wrote: As an LoD Player: Best Skill: Ultimate: Reverse Polarity or Chronosphere - Goes through magic immunity. All other ones can be stopped/prevented one way or another. Normal: Blink Worst Skill: Ultimate: Wall of Replica - Convince me that this skill is actually good. It was sooo bad before, I think they gave it heaps of buffs since though. Normal: Upheaval is pretty bad too, a skill like that should not be channeling. Hah, both replica and upheaval are awesome spells. | ||
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blahblahyoutoo
14 Posts
On June 06 2012 14:51 dranko wrote: No, it's pretty bad, just not the worst in the game. yeah, it's not the greatest stun in the world, but it works well with his other skills. the delay between when the ice appears on screen, and when the enemy gets stun is pretty bad. what they really need to do is bring back the cast speed for his ult when paired with the scepter. for some reason I think the scepter only gives it increased damage and duration (?). i remember in wc3 dota where it used to come out instantly. | ||
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blahblahyoutoo
14 Posts
On June 06 2012 15:36 Zariel wrote: As an LoD Player: Best Skill: Ultimate: Reverse Polarity or Chronosphere - Goes through magic immunity. All other ones can be stopped/prevented one way or another. Normal: Blink Worst Skill: Ultimate: Wall of Replica - Convince me that this skill is actually good. It was sooo bad before, I think they gave it heaps of buffs since though. Normal: Upheaval is pretty bad too, a skill like that should not be channeling. what does LoD stand for? | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Best ability: Nature's Prophet's Teleportation Worst ability: Alchemist's Unstable Concoction (at least for noobs like me who keep blowing themselves up) | ||
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
On June 06 2012 15:36 Zariel wrote: As an LoD Player: Best Skill: Ultimate: Reverse Polarity or Chronosphere - Goes through magic immunity. All other ones can be stopped/prevented one way or another. Normal: Blink Worst Skill: Ultimate: Wall of Replica - Convince me that this skill is actually good. It was sooo bad before, I think they gave it heaps of buffs since though. Normal: Upheaval is pretty bad too, a skill like that should not be channeling. Um, wall of replica wasnt that great a long time ago, then they made scepter copy your allies, so suddenly you have 15 heroes on your side vs 5, and the illusions deal more right click. Then they nerfed the scepter but people realized how awesome it was in teamfights and now the skill is still good cos people have developed a fear of the wall now. Upheaval really doesnt matter that its channeling, because after you ult, bond them up and throw heal, what are you gonna do? right click? just channel that huge slow forever. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On June 08 2012 07:11 kdgns wrote: Um, wall of replica wasnt that great a long time ago, then they made scepter copy your allies, so suddenly you have 15 heroes on your side vs 5, and the illusions deal more right click. Then they nerfed the scepter but people realized how awesome it was in teamfights and now the skill is still good cos people have developed a fear of the wall now. Upheaval really doesnt matter that its channeling, because after you ult, bond them up and throw heal, what are you gonna do? right click? just channel that huge slow forever. I've had tons of success against ursa's using upheaval - that amount of slow just cripples him :3 | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
legends of dota, it is an additional custom edited map of dota that has game modes of picking custom hero skills and ultimates, and pairing with heroes. the LoD versions have been updated to latest though, wall of replica is still not that great | ||
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
15!!!?!?!!! mana 100 pure!!! damage (200 to creeps), huge range, 8 sec CD, and it even slows by 50% for 4 seconds!!!! | ||
Wasteweiser
Canada522 Posts
Best skill int he game? The one that propels Treant Protector to the king of pubs spot just above Ursa, Living armor. Why living armor? Because it gives gobal life regen and armor to all heroes on the map during daylight, that keeps heroes in their lane longer and take more abuse more often. | ||
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Flamingo777
United States1190 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
Legends of Dota. You get to pick a hero and then pick 4 skills for that hero. Mostly it's played in SD mode so that the pool is limited, because in AP some combos have to be banned as they're simply ridiculous (Enchant totem + Geminate Attack/Tidebringer, Aftershock + Quill Spray). (You get like 15ish heroes in SD that are completely random) | ||
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Vallelol
Germany1046 Posts
Best: Swap | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10761 Posts
Best: Ravage.. The amount of games this ult alone has decided is sickening... Worst: Necrolytes "Aura"? .. Well, worst is actually hard to pick... | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
It also instantly destroys an illusion for only 10 mana, which is pretty sick against Manta/Illusion carries. and last but not least it also triggers Linken's which obviously is very important for Lion. No way this is the worst skill in the game. | ||
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rwrzr
United States1980 Posts
On June 11 2012 22:05 Ragoo wrote: I don't get the hate for mana drain. On level 4 it drains 120 mana per second and since the newest patch that means you drain 480 mana from a ranged creep. It also instantly destroys an illusion for only 10 mana, which is pretty sick against Manta/Illusion carries. and last but not least it also triggers Linken's which obviously is very important for Lion. No way this is the worst skill in the game. lol. I use it to piss off low mana strength heroes. | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
Best: Fissure / Shockwave | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
On June 11 2012 20:37 Velr wrote: Not to situational i would pick: Best: Ravage.. The amount of games this ult alone has decided is sickening... Worst: Necrolytes "Aura"? .. Well, worst is actually hard to pick... The Aura can make him a carry when farmed and bulked with shitloads hp so that cant be right. Also he can clean stacks of ancients with it or use it for babysitting. | ||
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D4V3Z02
Germany693 Posts
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Kuzmorgo
Hungary1058 Posts
On June 12 2012 18:50 D4V3Z02 wrote: Worst: Necrolytes Mana gain Best: Fissure / Shockwave What the heck??? The mana gain is essential for necrolyte, with his insane mana cost spells. And now that it gives 600 mana if you kill a hero its an awesome skill! At least in my opinion. Explain please why do you think its the worst? | ||
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findingthelimit
Hong Kong219 Posts
anyhow, imo, best skill is prophet's teleportation, worst skill is lion's mana drain. i personally dont skill mana drain till level 22, and before any of you flame me, be informed that mana drain is never learned in any -cm game. pub might be different to -cm, but lion played properly should never have mana issues, provided the player is not stupid- | ||
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Vallelol
Germany1046 Posts
On June 13 2012 20:57 findingthelimit wrote: reading this thread makes me sad.... i can't believe people think AA's third is "useless"... chilling touch amplifies damage to such a great extend if used in combination with his E. anyhow, imo, best skill is prophet's teleportation, worst skill is lion's mana drain. i personally dont skill mana drain till level 22, and before any of you flame me, be informed that mana drain is never learned in any -cm game. pub might be different to -cm, but lion played properly should never have mana issues, provided the player is not stupid- Reading this post makes me sad... | ||
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Denmark14978 Posts
On June 13 2012 20:57 findingthelimit wrote: reading this thread makes me sad.... i can't believe people think AA's third is "useless"... chilling touch amplifies damage to such a great extend if used in combination with his E. anyhow, imo, best skill is prophet's teleportation, worst skill is lion's mana drain. i personally dont skill mana drain till level 22, and before any of you flame me, be informed that mana drain is never learned in any -cm game. pub might be different to -cm, but lion played properly should never have mana issues, provided the player is not stupid- Bahaha. Yea, no. Lions always get atleast ONE point in mana drain even in competitive games, they might not get it super fast, but they will get it for the fact that it: Pops illus instantly. Triggers spell-shields. It's a decent utility spell. AA chilling touch on the other hand is skipped in 99% of all cases, even in competitive play. Also lion has pretty fucking crazy mana costs on his spells. So even played well, he will not gain all the mana he needs from arcanes(If that is your boots of choice). Also, you can play CM pubs as well, so why do you mention CM as though it's different from pubs? | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
Worst is probably Tide Hunter's shell thing. | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
Best: Ravage...by far. Worst: Upheval. It has very limited uses, but is much more narrow than any other skill in the game. | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
On June 13 2012 21:45 Torte de Lini wrote: Worst is probably Tide Hunter's shell thing. I disagree. It has saved my ass soooo many times. It's amazing at baiting stupid heroes. See tide at 50% health, come attack, deal 20 damage per hit and die while running away from gush. | ||
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Denmark14978 Posts
On June 13 2012 21:45 Torte de Lini wrote: Best is Shackle shot. Worst is probably Tide Hunter's shell thing. How is a skill that reduces damage from attacks by a good amount along with preventing you from being stun-locked so you can't ulti at all, in any way bad? I'd like to hear your logic behind that one. | ||
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HypernovA
Canada556 Posts
On June 13 2012 21:45 Torte de Lini wrote: Best is Shackle shot. Worst is probably Tide Hunter's shell thing. What? Tide's passive is so useful for removing stupid debuffs like Pudge's dismember. | ||
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Denmark14978 Posts
On June 14 2012 01:44 HypernovA wrote: What? Tide's passive is so useful for removing stupid debuffs like Pudge's dismember. Or bane ulti. Bane ultimate is almost always a waste on tide, hahaha. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 13 2012 21:45 Torte de Lini wrote: Best is Shackle shot. Worst is probably Tide Hunter's shell thing. the only reason you get to ult as tide hunter when you're being focused is because of that passive. ~_~ | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I thought it did something else (reflect damage + something else). | ||
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AiurOG
United States98 Posts
Best: Spirit Breaker's Ult | ||
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Terrafros
Netherlands194 Posts
Worst: Gonna back up on the Sniper Schrapnel. Seems too weak if not skilled up in the early game, and irrelevant in the late-game. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
it's not gonna be possible to pick a best/worst spell because it's really situational | ||
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
actually just all of riki | ||
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blahblahyoutoo
14 Posts
On June 11 2012 19:56 Vallelol wrote: Worst: Curse of the Silent false. it is such a good early harass skill. esp. on heroes with low mana. | ||
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Klockan3
Sweden2866 Posts
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Bobble
Australia1493 Posts
On June 14 2012 00:39 deth2munkies wrote: I'm working on ~4 year old DotA knowledge here, but here it is: Best: Ravage...by far. Worst: Upheval. It has very limited uses, but is much more narrow than any other skill in the game. I can't agree with Upheaval. It's a synergy spell, and incredibly effective. with your golem (hopefully 4, lol), fatal bonds and necro book creeps, you need a large AOE spell to keep your enemies there to get hurt, instead of them dispersing. at it's final level, it's an 84% slow in 4 seconds. It's the most powerful slow in the game, and it has 3 seconds of persistent slow after leaving the area. And that's dictated by how long Warlock has been channeling, not how long you stay in there. that could mean 4 seconds of moving at snails place if you accidentally step in for a second. Plus, I suppose it helps your allies catch the opponent, but I prefer golems and necronomicon creeps. They're easier to boss around. | ||
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Denmark14978 Posts
On June 17 2012 02:09 Bobble wrote: It's the most powerful slow in the game That would be Ice Wall | ||
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Bobble
Australia1493 Posts
Yeah, I felt like that was a big reach on my part, was waiting for the correction, thanks. | ||
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RoyalFlush
Canada109 Posts
On June 17 2012 01:01 Klockan3 wrote: Test of Faith, huge mana cost, huge cooldown, single target and not even a lousy special effect. That is on a hero that don't even got any other nuke, since nukes get better the more you have heroes with more nukes usually have weaker nukes but Chen just got this single one and it is the worst nuke in the game. It was good when it could tp allies but now it is just sad. He would be better off with just about any other nuke in the game. it definitely is not the worst nuke in the game, it does 200-400 PURE damage to a target. the animation is instant and the max 400 dmg is the highest dmg nuke in the game(non ulti). | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On June 17 2012 17:29 cilinder007 wrote: I think morph nuke is the highest dmg in the game with enough agility by that logic, silencer's glaives are the highest dmg nuke in the game with enough int, since his int can be infinite | ||
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deth2munkies
United States4051 Posts
On June 17 2012 02:09 Bobble wrote: I can't agree with Upheaval. It's a synergy spell, and incredibly effective. with your golem (hopefully 4, lol), fatal bonds and necro book creeps, you need a large AOE spell to keep your enemies there to get hurt, instead of them dispersing. at it's final level, it's an 84% slow in 4 seconds. It's the most powerful slow in the game, and it has 3 seconds of persistent slow after leaving the area. And that's dictated by how long Warlock has been channeling, not how long you stay in there. that could mean 4 seconds of moving at snails place if you accidentally step in for a second. Plus, I suppose it helps your allies catch the opponent, but I prefer golems and necronomicon creeps. They're easier to boss around. It's only useful when you're winning the teamfight, though. Warlock has to be completely uninterrupted and you have to have at least 1 more AoE stun layered on top of Inferno in order for them to be there long enough for it to ramp up. I must admit that swapping it out for a single target 80% (at max lvl) tapering slow in HoN was a much better decision (for the record, the only other positive change to a DotA hero I can name was giving Lina/Pyromancer's 3rd skill an actual use by giving it cast time reduction and a DoT on your autoattack). | ||
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
On June 18 2012 13:19 JeeJee wrote: by that logic, silencer's glaives are the highest dmg nuke in the game with enough int, since his int can be infinite thats not a nuke, its an orb... | ||
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
Why not techies' mines. 600 dmg at lvl7. | ||
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HaruRH
Singapore2780 Posts
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cilinder007
Slovenia7251 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
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Heh_
Singapore2712 Posts
You can see my love of techies lol. Edit: Actually, earthshaker echo slam when summoned minions are involved. | ||
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