EPTOn September 26 2012 14:29 galtdunn wrote:
Well its not exactly practical to write up a guide's worth of info for each hero and item.
Well its not exactly practical to write up a guide's worth of info for each hero and item.
maybe it is
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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Testuser
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On September 26 2012 14:29 galtdunn wrote: Well its not exactly practical to write up a guide's worth of info for each hero and item. Maybe not in time vs. gain - but why not? | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On September 26 2012 21:36 Testuser wrote: Maybe not in time vs. gain - but why not? Well maybe I'm wrong, but I see it as more useful to just link to existing guides. People like Flamewheel have already done guides. I feel like Liquipedia was designed to be quickly accessible and cogent. Not long guides with tons of analysis. But like I said before, this begs the question of how much is too much and where you draw the line before just linking a guide. And I'll say it again: maybe I'm wrong. I don't know what Salle and Blahzor and others have in mind for long term goals. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:02 galtdunn wrote: Well maybe I'm wrong, but I see it as more useful to just link to existing guides. People like Flamewheel have already done guides. I feel like Liquipedia was designed to be quickly accessible and cogent. Not long guides with tons of analysis. But like I said before, this begs the question of how much is too much and where you draw the line before just linking a guide. And I'll say it again: maybe I'm wrong. I don't know what Salle and Blahzor and others have in mind for long term goals. Or we could just copy+paste our guide into Liquipedia. It takes some formatting change work but it doesn't take too long. That's what I did with my guide, at least. I'm just wondering where to put it in Liquipedia, at the moment it's just rotting under my username. | ||
salle
Sweden5554 Posts
But I also think we need to have some kind of additional editorial processes for guides as they will end up having many non-sourced statements that are the opinions of the author(s), one way to do this is to first post the guides to the TeamLiquid Dota 2 strategy forum and if it survives that trial by fire then it could be time to put onto the wiki. Also we need to think about how to do the formatting of guides. Doing them exactly like a forum post is not good, it doesn't utilize much of the potential of the wiki. | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On September 27 2012 01:55 salle wrote: Firstly I think we want guides on the wiki, eventually. But I also think we need to have some kind of additional editorial processes for guides as they will end up having many non-sourced statements that are the opinions of the author(s), one way to do this is to first post the guides to the TeamLiquid Dota 2 strategy forum and if it survives that trial by fire then it could be time to put onto the wiki. Also we need to think about how to do the formatting of guides. Doing them exactly like a forum post is not good, it doesn't utilize much of the potential of the wiki. Well I definitely think that guides should be linked to on the wiki, without a doubt. There are some great and comprehensive guides out there that we'd be fools to just ignore. But I agree with Salle in that they could become really opinionated, and that we have to have some way to guard against that. I can't really come up with a way on the top of my head. | ||
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Remfire
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
And to fix opinionated issue, one solution is to have a group of people who are fairly quite high skilled and very knowledgeable about the game to read guides and "correct" them and/or to write guides. | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34503 Posts
On September 27 2012 16:20 salle wrote: Yeah linking to guides is completely okay, doesn't just have to be to guides on TL.net either. And to fix opinionated issue, one solution is to have a group of people who are fairly quite high skilled and very knowledgeable about the game to read guides and "correct" them and/or to write guides. And how would you judge this? | ||
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salle
Sweden5554 Posts
How you'd find a group of people who are very knowledgeable about the game? One way is to ask pro players to review what someone writes in their guides and ask them if the person who wrote this knew what s/he was talking about or not. | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On September 27 2012 17:00 salle wrote: How you'd find a group of people who are very knowledgeable about the game? One way is to ask pro players to review what someone writes in their guides and ask them if the person who wrote this knew what s/he was talking about or not. Means we need nice pro players then that are willing to donate some of their time for free. Also, some ideas in pub-oriented strategy guides will obviously not work in pro games, and vice versa. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
ie http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Drum_of_Endurance in the recipe part, knowing the prices without having to click the items would be good imo. | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On September 28 2012 21:09 MrCon wrote: Just a small thing, in the tooltip of items it would be nice to include the cost. ie http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Drum_of_Endurance in the recipe part, knowing the prices without having to click the items would be good imo. I assume you mean in the box with all the item's basic stats and abilities; the branched recipe tree? I do like that idea of having the cost show up as well. Right now hovering over it only shows the name of the items because it links to a tiny png file that's only a picture. I'm not sure how to do a tooltip, but I definitely advocate that idea if someone else knows how to do it. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
|bottomitems=3 |bottomitem1=bracer |bottomitem2=robe of the magi |bottomitem3=recipe So I assume they set it up so that the word would link to the item page. Gotta get either Salle's or Blahz0r's input on if it would be possible to somehow have it show the price. Alternatively, the price can be listed under "general," but I know that isn't as convenient. | ||
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GogoKodo
Canada1785 Posts
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
On September 29 2012 01:10 GogoKodo wrote: Forgive me if this is already present on the wiki, I poked around a bit and didn't see. I'd be interested in lane creep/jungle creep stats being on the wiki. They do change from time to time and there is also various abilities that they have which would be useful to look up. playdota has a bunch of info which I have no idea if it's accurate or up to date http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/unitstats#i I'd start adding this stuff myself if I had time! In any case, the wiki overall is really great. Oh. That's a great idea. In fact, I think a "creeps" section under "General Info" would be great. It could have ancients stats, creep stats, etc. I personally don't know them but the playdota has them. We aren't supposed to copy from that website though so I don't know what to do about that. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 29 2012 01:10 GogoKodo wrote: Forgive me if this is already present on the wiki, I poked around a bit and didn't see. I'd be interested in lane creep/jungle creep stats being on the wiki. They do change from time to time and there is also various abilities that they have which would be useful to look up. playdota has a bunch of info which I have no idea if it's accurate or up to date http://www.playdota.com/mechanics/unitstats#i I'd start adding this stuff myself if I had time! In any case, the wiki overall is really great. Ho, on this page "At 999, 1999, and 2999 seconds from the first wave, one additional melee unit will begin to spawn." I thought it was every 10 minutes :O | ||
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galtdunn
United States977 Posts
At 17:30, 4 melee and 1 ranged creep spawns. At 34:00 5 melee and 1 range creep spawn. At 34:30 5 melee, 1 range, and 1 siege spawn. | ||
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