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Gamerhcp
Profile Joined May 2015
734 Posts
June 30 2016 09:11 GMT
#181
Quick update;

We've started adding a broadcasts section for casters so now you can see which event did say, ODPixel cast.

Also we've added Tournament series so it's easier to add events to the caster's page.
Hello
Dota2Tee
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States11 Posts
July 07 2016 09:55 GMT
#182
Great, thank you
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HammerKick
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
France6190 Posts
August 02 2016 22:13 GMT
#183
Hey, with TI6 starting, I realied that a caster I like, AnneeDroid had no page, so there you go : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Anneedroid

If you have anything to contribue that would be cool.
Well, it's high noon somewhere in the world
Gamerhcp
Profile Joined May 2015
734 Posts
August 03 2016 15:35 GMT
#184
We don't generally have (or need) a page for every caster but hey, thanks.
Hello
salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
August 04 2016 15:19 GMT
#185
On August 03 2016 07:13 HammerKick wrote:
Hey, with TI6 starting, I realied that a caster I like, AnneeDroid had no page, so there you go : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Anneedroid

If you have anything to contribue that would be cool.

On August 04 2016 00:35 Gamerhcp wrote:
We don't generally have (or need) a page for every caster but hey, thanks.


More information never hurts. The more we add in the better of a resource it becomes.
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Apolloftw
Profile Joined August 2016
Canada4 Posts
August 04 2016 16:43 GMT
#186
Here is the Korean Casting Stream for TI6 that needs to be added to the list of streams casting TI6.
https://www.twitch.tv/dota2_kr
aether_fzn
Profile Joined May 2016
Australia50 Posts
August 08 2016 02:06 GMT
#187
I'm planning to write a few paragraphs of most of the players after Ti6 and the shuffle. Since I'm still new to editing compared to others here, I'm just wondering how to become an 'authorised user'. Thanks.
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FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4981 Posts
August 08 2016 03:33 GMT
#188
After a time you will get automatically promoted to "editor" as we call it, when you do edits and they get approved. Editor rank means that your edits will no longer have to be approved. If Liquipedia staff notices that your contributions are good, each staffer can promote people to editor rank whenever said staffer thinks is good.
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aether_fzn
Profile Joined May 2016
Australia50 Posts
August 08 2016 06:18 GMT
#189
Thanks.
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
August 15 2016 20:18 GMT
#190
it can take some time to become automatically authorized, personally I think it helps a little bit to give you the security to just go ahead and try something, if you break anything it is not going to ruin the wiki for other visitors, and hopefully the people looking at your edits will catch them.

The downside to this security blanket is obviously that it does take time for your contributions to be reviewed and then displayed.

I would say that this approach allows you to seek out constructive criticism. Say that you see the same editor reviewing your pages you can reach out to them and ask them if they have any feedback on your edits. (Or if you look at the pages after they've been reviewed if the person reviewing them did any edits of their own to correct or change anything about what you did.) Both these things can help you grow much quicker in your wiki contributing skills.
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aether_fzn
Profile Joined May 2016
Australia50 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-17 16:02:04
August 17 2016 16:01 GMT
#191
On August 16 2016 05:18 salle wrote:
it can take some time to become automatically authorized, personally I think it helps a little bit to give you the security to just go ahead and try something, if you break anything it is not going to ruin the wiki for other visitors, and hopefully the people looking at your edits will catch them.

The downside to this security blanket is obviously that it does take time for your contributions to be reviewed and then displayed.

I would say that this approach allows you to seek out constructive criticism. Say that you see the same editor reviewing your pages you can reach out to them and ask them if they have any feedback on your edits. (Or if you look at the pages after they've been reviewed if the person reviewing them did any edits of their own to correct or change anything about what you did.) Both these things can help you grow much quicker in your wiki contributing skills.


Of course. I'm currently slowly learning as I go and becoming an 'editor' is not a priority, what's more important for me is to produce articles to the liquidpedia page in a way that readers want to find about a person, team or anything dota related and feel satisifed from reading it. So far it's been a good journey as I've been getting help from the Liquidpedia staff from the IRC chat and making PM's about a question I don't know. I still have lots to learn and feedback is one of the most important voices in a person's career., I've been noting the feedback from other staff and it has helped me well to become a better contributor and further develop my skills contributing to the liquidpedia page.
"Bleep bloop, I am a robot. Eh, just kidding."
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4206 Posts
August 21 2016 21:19 GMT
#192
I've been editing other liquipedias as of late, I feel I'm neglecting my passion for Dota. It seems Dota has everything you could ask for. Is there type of content on the Dota 2 liquipedia thats lacking/ we could use more of?
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4981 Posts
August 21 2016 22:24 GMT
#193
Well, gameside content is basically always needed, more information about heroes, strategy etc. We excel at tournament coverage, we could be better at gameside stuff.
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salle
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Sweden5554 Posts
August 22 2016 17:23 GMT
#194
We have gotten better at Game stuff thanks to Aeroblaster mainly (who has done the biggest individual contribution to this but it is of course thanks to multiple people) http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Portal:Game_Mechanics
But sure more work on heroes is not a bad thing.

We also need player and team histories written out more, not just for the absolute top teams and top players. But so there's something to read (prose) on all of the potential wild card teams.

Cosmetic items and sets could also be worked on.


Administrator"Ambitious but rubbish!" - Jeremy Clarkson
Porcupinathy
Profile Joined November 2015
235 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-22 22:50:21
August 22 2016 22:06 GMT
#195
The absolute top teams aren't even a bad place to start. (Wiki)Evil Geniuses has no history, (Wiki)Natus Vincere and has very little history, (Wiki)OG, (Wiki)EHOME, and (Wiki)Team Secret have no citations and very little history, (Wiki)Vici Gaming needs to be divided into sections / organized, (Wiki)Newbee has no citations, etc. Even something as simple as "Natus Vincere is known for having reached the finals of the three first Internationals," (Edit: I just added this.) would be very useful to the reader. Liquipedia is good at tracking individual events and transfers, but can sometimes forget broader stuff like that.

If you want to write about your favorite team, chances are it won't go unappreciated. Just try to stay concise and make sure to cite what you say.
Land animal
aether_fzn
Profile Joined May 2016
Australia50 Posts
August 28 2016 07:51 GMT
#196
Hi, I have a few questions about the liquidpedia page and still learning how it works. Possible feedback on my work if possible.

1. Can I add a legacy/controversy sub section in a player's or team page if they reach retirement? What I mean is that generally most team and player pages have a biography, Dota 2 career etc. If one has made great impact to the game can I add a legacy or a controversy section?

2. What makes a caster/observer/production crew be featured in a Dota 2 tournament liquidpedia page? Do they have to cast on the main stage or any event? Does the group stage of a premier event/major event count?

3. If there are local tournaments in my area, am I able to make a tournament page out of it? They are not big at all, but it's something that I wish to do.

4. How am I going so far? Any mistakes or things I shouldn't be doing?

Thanks
aeth

"Bleep bloop, I am a robot. Eh, just kidding."
FO-nTTaX
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Johto4981 Posts
August 29 2016 01:08 GMT
#197
1. If you can source it you can even add controversy sections to active players and teams, just make sure they are written objectively and add good sources.

2. Usually we have people there that work important events. If you work TI or a Dota Major, you can probably have a page. If you work something similarly big as EPICENTER or DAC, we can probably talk about that. We are talking about Onscreen-talent and observers here though, not about cameramen.

3. Usually we have a limit of at least 50$ on SC2. For a 5 player team we can probably go with 200$. So if the prize pool of the tournament exceeds that, feel free to add a page. We only count cash prizes though, no hardware or the likes.

4. I am not the most active in the Dota wiki, but if you were horrible i probably would have heard about you, so most likely you are doing fine

If you are looking for more detailed feedback, feel free to visit our chat at http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#liquipedia The people there won't bite and enjoy chilling there and having fun together, as well as helping people edit the wiki.
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Porcupinathy
Profile Joined November 2015
235 Posts
August 29 2016 05:27 GMT
#198
On August 28 2016 16:51 aether_fzn wrote:
Hi, I have a few questions about the liquidpedia page and still learning how it works. Possible feedback on my work if possible.

1. Can I add a legacy/controversy sub section in a player's or team page if they reach retirement? What I mean is that generally most team and player pages have a biography, Dota 2 career etc. If one has made great impact to the game can I add a legacy or a controversy section?

2. What makes a caster/observer/production crew be featured in a Dota 2 tournament liquidpedia page? Do they have to cast on the main stage or any event? Does the group stage of a premier event/major event count?

3. If there are local tournaments in my area, am I able to make a tournament page out of it? They are not big at all, but it's something that I wish to do.

4. How am I going so far? Any mistakes or things I shouldn't be doing?

Thanks
aeth


I've seen you around a bit, so I'll just quickly add to what FO said:
- First, THANK YOU for adding written content with cited sources.
- You should be a bit more careful about making broad statements. For example, statements such as "Purge is widely accredited for his contribution to the growth and success of Dota 2." should not be made without at least one citation showing a significant observer crediting him for this.
- Minor thing: The first mention of the article's title is bolded (For players, it's also put in quotation marks.), future mentions are plain text. You don't need to bold the player's name or put brackets around it or anything like that in future mentions.
- That said, especially with written content, even flawed additions help. The first step is the most difficult; it's easier to correct things than it is to add them. If you want to improve, one of the best ways to do so is to pay attention to what other users do to the page after you edit it. I spent most of my first edits doing things 50% correct at best then trying to figure out how tehh4ck3r was fixing them (That's what many of my current edits are too, only maybe closer to 75% ).
Land animal
aether_fzn
Profile Joined May 2016
Australia50 Posts
August 30 2016 17:49 GMT
#199
On August 29 2016 10:08 FO-nTTaX wrote:
1. If you can source it you can even add controversy sections to active players and teams, just make sure they are written objectively and add good sources.

2. Usually we have people there that work important events. If you work TI or a Dota Major, you can probably have a page. If you work something similarly big as EPICENTER or DAC, we can probably talk about that. We are talking about Onscreen-talent and observers here though, not about cameramen.

3. Usually we have a limit of at least 50$ on SC2. For a 5 player team we can probably go with 200$. So if the prize pool of the tournament exceeds that, feel free to add a page. We only count cash prizes though, no hardware or the likes.

4. I am not the most active in the Dota wiki, but if you were horrible i probably would have heard about you, so most likely you are doing fine

If you are looking for more detailed feedback, feel free to visit our chat at http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=#liquipedia The people there won't bite and enjoy chilling there and having fun together, as well as helping people edit the wiki.


Thanks for replying and will look into it

On August 29 2016 14:27 Porcupinathy wrote:
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On August 28 2016 16:51 aether_fzn wrote:
Hi, I have a few questions about the liquidpedia page and still learning how it works. Possible feedback on my work if possible.

1. Can I add a legacy/controversy sub section in a player's or team page if they reach retirement? What I mean is that generally most team and player pages have a biography, Dota 2 career etc. If one has made great impact to the game can I add a legacy or a controversy section?

2. What makes a caster/observer/production crew be featured in a Dota 2 tournament liquidpedia page? Do they have to cast on the main stage or any event? Does the group stage of a premier event/major event count?

3. If there are local tournaments in my area, am I able to make a tournament page out of it? They are not big at all, but it's something that I wish to do.

4. How am I going so far? Any mistakes or things I shouldn't be doing?

Thanks
aeth


I've seen you around a bit, so I'll just quickly add to what FO said:
- First, THANK YOU for adding written content with cited sources.
- You should be a bit more careful about making broad statements. For example, statements such as "Purge is widely accredited for his contribution to the growth and success of Dota 2." should not be made without at least one citation showing a significant observer crediting him for this.
- Minor thing: The first mention of the article's title is bolded (For players, it's also put in quotation marks.), future mentions are plain text. You don't need to bold the player's name or put brackets around it or anything like that in future mentions.
- That said, especially with written content, even flawed additions help. The first step is the most difficult; it's easier to correct things than it is to add them. If you want to improve, one of the best ways to do so is to pay attention to what other users do to the page after you edit it. I spent most of my first edits doing things 50% correct at best then trying to figure out how tehh4ck3r was fixing them (That's what many of my current edits are too, only maybe closer to 75% ).


Yeah when I made that sentence about Purge, I forgot to remove it after reading my edits
I've been looking at how others edit to see what I can do to improve and it's a learning process for me, but thank you for replying.
"Bleep bloop, I am a robot. Eh, just kidding."
Andrey56
Profile Joined December 2021
1 Post
December 29 2021 08:49 GMT
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