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Starladder S4 LAN Finals Recap - Page 2

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Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
December 31 2012 13:02 GMT
#21
Shout out to frogs what? Lol.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
December 31 2012 13:21 GMT
#22
"Yesterday we played ROOT and XBOCT just gave me a new item for Pudge so I said to Puppey - "Hey, I can make some pancakes with meat now." He picked me Pudge! :D"

rofl, dendi is such a baws
KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
December 31 2012 15:04 GMT
#23
Great writeup
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
December 31 2012 15:23 GMT
#24
? You said loh or xboct interview kipsate....I guess more dendi is always ok!

Also pls no stupid debating about dendi's comment about his teams resource distribution. Its not a 'style' its 5 players understanding how dota works.
pdR
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway33 Posts
December 31 2012 15:23 GMT
#25
ixmike repping the Drum+Phase N'aix build. Good stuff.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
December 31 2012 16:32 GMT
#26
On December 31 2012 17:44 ReignSupreme. wrote:
What was with the shoutout to frogs, haha?

Because they are green! :D
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
December 31 2012 17:37 GMT
#27
On January 01 2013 00:23 Ack1027 wrote:
? You said loh or xboct interview kipsate....I guess more dendi is always ok!

Also pls no stupid debating about dendi's comment about his teams resource distribution. Its not a 'style' its 5 players understanding how dota works.

I lied
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noulss
Profile Joined November 2012
France353 Posts
December 31 2012 17:40 GMT
#28
good article overall, keep up the good work =)
<3
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-31 17:40:34
December 31 2012 17:40 GMT
#29
On January 01 2013 00:23 Ack1027 wrote:
Also pls no stupid debating about dendi's comment about his teams resource distribution. Its not a 'style' its 5 players understanding how dota works.
Then it's just how every other team plays and it's kind of meaningless.
Once you Goblak...
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
December 31 2012 19:17 GMT
#30
Nice writeup!
Ack1027
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
United States7873 Posts
January 01 2013 00:14 GMT
#31
On January 01 2013 02:40 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 00:23 Ack1027 wrote:
Also pls no stupid debating about dendi's comment about his teams resource distribution. Its not a 'style' its 5 players understanding how dota works.
Then it's just how every other team plays and it's kind of meaningless.


No. You are not comprehending what he is saying.

And if someone does take it - it means they realise they are slowing down XBOCT's farm for their own good. This means we realise that at some point we are supposed to carry the game after that. So, I would say we have 5 carry heroes because everyone in Na`vi farms! I'm not saying it's good or bad ... in some situations it can be good, and in some situations it can be bad.


It's not meaningless because not ' every other team ' is Na'Vi. Not every other team posts results and performances like they do when it matters or at TI1 and TI2. He is saying that every player is capable of understanding when farm needs to be taken, and when it is, its taken for a reason. High level players regardless where they come from understand this concept. There's many teams [ and spectators ] that don't understand this concept and it stops them from progressing in their dota understanding.
Gurgl
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden308 Posts
January 01 2013 00:26 GMT
#32
Great stuff, I enjoyed watching Starladder.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
January 01 2013 00:36 GMT
#33
the lack of carry/support and every player understanding how much farm they implicitly need is indeed a higher paradigm level and ultimately stronger and more flexible than the classic 4/1 ig is prbably the best example of this in action, with teams like lgd(s), tongfu dk and navi all slowly moving towards their individual variant of it.

from the interview it appears that xbox deferrs to the other players and simply takes other farm. this is indicative both of his greatest strength: how well he mshes with navi and his greatest weakness: he doesnt have the knowledge and decison making of other world cass carries
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 01:21:54
January 01 2013 01:12 GMT
#34
On January 01 2013 09:14 Ack1027 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 02:40 teapoted wrote:
On January 01 2013 00:23 Ack1027 wrote:
Also pls no stupid debating about dendi's comment about his teams resource distribution. Its not a 'style' its 5 players understanding how dota works.
Then it's just how every other team plays and it's kind of meaningless.


No. You are not comprehending what he is saying.

Show nested quote +
And if someone does take it - it means they realise they are slowing down XBOCT's farm for their own good. This means we realise that at some point we are supposed to carry the game after that. So, I would say we have 5 carry heroes because everyone in Na`vi farms! I'm not saying it's good or bad ... in some situations it can be good, and in some situations it can be bad.


It's not meaningless because not ' every other team ' is Na'Vi. Not every other team posts results and performances like they do when it matters or at TI1 and TI2. He is saying that every player is capable of understanding when farm needs to be taken, and when it is, its taken for a reason. High level players regardless where they come from understand this concept. There's many teams [ and spectators ] that don't understand this concept and it stops them from progressing in their dota understanding.
Sorry mate, I fully understand what he is saying.

In fact low level teams understand that as well. Since when is understanding farm priority greater than "I'm a carry, I get everything" a high level concept? Every team does this, the better the team, the better they are at ensuring that everyone gets what they need at the time when it's most benefitial.

The only difference is that Dendi seems to be saying that they don't actually think about it as a team. Which is in no logical universe a good thing. He even says sometimes it turns out bad, and that's when they're currently playing against much lower level teams than them.
the lack of carry/support and every player understanding how much farm they implicitly need is indeed a higher paradigm level and ultimately stronger and more flexible than the classic 4/1 ig is prbably the best example of this in action, with teams like lgd(s), tongfu dk and navi all slowly moving towards their individual variant of it.
This was my point, if every top team does this it's sort of meaningless. And even when people are playing classic 4/1 they are 'still' doing this to some degree.
Once you Goblak...
livingEND
Profile Joined December 2012
5 Posts
January 01 2013 03:39 GMT
#35
Nice read. As always!
shostakovich
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brazil1429 Posts
January 02 2013 01:39 GMT
#36
On January 01 2013 10:12 teapoted wrote:
In fact low level teams understand that as well. Since when is understanding farm priority greater than "I'm a carry, I get everything" a high level concept? Every team does this, the better the team, the better they are at ensuring that everyone gets what they need at the time when it's most benefitial.

It's not about understanding who needs more farm. It's about thinking Dota without terms like carry or support. The first is basic. The second is pretty advanced.
Hs2u
Profile Joined August 2012
Singapore149 Posts
January 02 2013 08:38 GMT
#37
Great interview!
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