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Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:09:36
October 24 2013 21:09 GMT
#1601
How great can an explanation be if he doesn't understand the concept being explained? As you said, it's not exactly rocket science.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28100 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:11:02
October 24 2013 21:10 GMT
#1602
On October 25 2013 06:07 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:05 Alur wrote:
On October 25 2013 04:59 SilverStar wrote:
http://www.cyborgmatt.com/2013/10/dota-6-79-roshan-timer-explained/

Great explanation of the Roshan timer. Still don't get how it works though lol

These seem like conflicting statements.

Well, it looks pretty and in depth?

It really is a good explanation, but it's not exactly rocket science. The outer circle is the fixed 8mins, and the inner circle changes between 1, 2 or 3 minutes, and has 1, 2 or 3 mark, accordingly. The red unused time is probally the one thing that may not be clear at first.

nvm, alur answered.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:21:44
October 24 2013 21:10 GMT
#1603
On October 25 2013 05:13 Irratonalys wrote:
Show nested quote +

(facepalm)

Helm of the Dominator and Hand of Midas no longer work on Necronomicon units.


(double facepalm)
but purges do. use the helmet to grab yourself the creep with the purge ability and use that to get rid of the necrocreep


(triple facepalm)

Even if you wait around for a random spawn of a Satyr camp and manage to get the Satyr Banisher (a 240 HP creep that gets blown up by any decent nuke by the time Necro comes into play), it won't even kill a level 2 Necronomicon unit. The strategy will only works against level 1 minions at 200 range, and the archer can destroy the Banisher with ease before he gets close. It's a huge waste of money to pick up a HotD for that explicit purpose if it's not part of your item build.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:15:46
October 24 2013 21:12 GMT
#1604
On October 25 2013 06:09 Alur wrote:
How great can an explanation be if he doesn't understand the concept being explained? As you said, it's not exactly rocket science.

Maybe he just didnt care enough to carefully read it and think about it and posted because he thought it looked cool? There really isn't a way to explain it much better than the way he did, in that amount of time. Plus, no matter how good one explanation is, someone will always not understand it.

Have you actually read the explanation and think there is something wrong with it?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34502 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:19:36
October 24 2013 21:19 GMT
#1605
On October 25 2013 04:23 Tunga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 03:52 Shaella wrote:
On October 25 2013 02:48 Tunga wrote:
If you dislike the patch please upvote this thread

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/commen...ta_2_campaign/

We need to let valve know that they might be killing the game and being top 10 on reddit may indeed get their attention

1. You failed to link
2. hahahahahahahaha
3. ahahahhahahaahahahaaha


Sorry fixed: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1p4uj2/bring_back_dota_2_campaign/

Downvoting because I disagree is how Reddit works, right?
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Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:22:43
October 24 2013 21:22 GMT
#1606
aha, so its not any random second between 8-11 minutes? i am disappoint.
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:23:33
October 24 2013 21:23 GMT
#1607
On October 25 2013 06:19 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 04:23 Tunga wrote:
On October 25 2013 03:52 Shaella wrote:
On October 25 2013 02:48 Tunga wrote:
If you dislike the patch please upvote this thread

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/commen...ta_2_campaign/

We need to let valve know that they might be killing the game and being top 10 on reddit may indeed get their attention

1. You failed to link
2. hahahahahahahaha
3. ahahahhahahaahahahaaha


Sorry fixed: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1p4uj2/bring_back_dota_2_campaign/

Downvoting because I disagree is how Reddit works, right?

yup. I like how it has a score of 0
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
October 24 2013 21:24 GMT
#1608
On October 25 2013 06:22 Derrida wrote:
aha, so its not any random second between 8-11 minutes? i am disappoint.

It is, that's what the red unused time line is used for.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3291 Posts
October 24 2013 21:28 GMT
#1609
On October 25 2013 06:24 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:22 Derrida wrote:
aha, so its not any random second between 8-11 minutes? i am disappoint.

It is, that's what the red unused time line is used for.

What he meant is that you can know when he will spawn, not just randomly appear while you are waiting for it
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
October 24 2013 21:30 GMT
#1610
On October 25 2013 06:28 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:24 SKC wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:22 Derrida wrote:
aha, so its not any random second between 8-11 minutes? i am disappoint.

It is, that's what the red unused time line is used for.

What he meant is that you can know when he will spawn, not just randomly appear while you are waiting for it

Well, yes, the spectator will know when he will spawn. Not the players.
Irratonalys
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany902 Posts
October 24 2013 21:30 GMT
#1611

Even if you wait around for a random spawn of a Satyr camp and manage to get the Satyr Banisher (a 240 HP creep that gets blown up by any decent nuke by the time Necro comes into play), it won't even kill a level 2 Necronomicon unit. The strategy will only works against level 1 minions at 200 range, and the archer can destroy the Banisher with ease before he gets close. It's a huge waste of money to pick up a HotD for that explicit purpose if it's not part of your item build.


but you can also purge off other things like various buffs , ethereal status ecetera. im saying , there are still ways to deal with mass necrobook , people will adapt.
The futures uncertain , but the end is always near
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:31:52
October 24 2013 21:31 GMT
#1612
On October 25 2013 06:28 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:24 SKC wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:22 Derrida wrote:
aha, so its not any random second between 8-11 minutes? i am disappoint.

It is, that's what the red unused time line is used for.

What he meant is that you can know when he will spawn, not just randomly appear while you are waiting for it

i actually meant what he answered because i hadn't read the article yet but since respawn timer is only visible to spectator/broadcasters, players wont know anyway.
#1 Grubby Fan.
JackDragon
Profile Joined February 2011
525 Posts
October 24 2013 21:32 GMT
#1613
On October 25 2013 06:28 misirlou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:24 SKC wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:22 Derrida wrote:
aha, so its not any random second between 8-11 minutes? i am disappoint.

It is, that's what the red unused time line is used for.

What he meant is that you can know when he will spawn, not just randomly appear while you are waiting for it

It is random for the players. Observers can see exactly when it spawns. And no it is not static 0 1 2 3 minutes but any time between 0 and 3 minutes. Rosh will spawn when the timer goes into the red part.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
October 24 2013 21:35 GMT
#1614
On October 25 2013 06:12 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:09 Alur wrote:
How great can an explanation be if he doesn't understand the concept being explained? As you said, it's not exactly rocket science.

Maybe he just didnt care enough to carefully read it and think about it and posted because he thought it looked cool? There really isn't a way to explain it much better than the way he did, in that amount of time. Plus, no matter how good one explanation is, someone will always not understand it.

Have you actually read the explanation and think there is something wrong with it?

You're reading a lot into this my friend, the statement was merely an observation on the almost paradoxical nature of his statement - and only that. I suppose I need an asterix explaining that it's not meant to be taken as a slight towards the guide or the user I quoted? Maybe I was wrong in not doing that.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 21:47:59
October 24 2013 21:46 GMT
#1615
On October 25 2013 06:35 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:12 SKC wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:09 Alur wrote:
How great can an explanation be if he doesn't understand the concept being explained? As you said, it's not exactly rocket science.

Maybe he just didnt care enough to carefully read it and think about it and posted because he thought it looked cool? There really isn't a way to explain it much better than the way he did, in that amount of time. Plus, no matter how good one explanation is, someone will always not understand it.

Have you actually read the explanation and think there is something wrong with it?

You're reading a lot into this my friend, the statement was merely an observation on the almost paradoxical nature of his statement - and only that. I suppose I need an asterix explaining that it's not meant to be taken as a slight towards the guide or the user I quoted? Maybe I was wrong in not doing that.

I'm just saying it's very easy for someone to not understand a great explanation, specially when we don't know if they even attempted it. Anyone that went to school should know how it's often not the teacher's fault. I didn't read a lot into your first statement, I just commented that I, someone who actually read it, though it was a good post. Your response was surprising to me since I believe everyone has seen cases where a good explanation alone doesn't go anywhere.
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 22:05:21
October 24 2013 22:04 GMT
#1616
On October 25 2013 06:46 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:35 Alur wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:12 SKC wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:09 Alur wrote:
How great can an explanation be if he doesn't understand the concept being explained? As you said, it's not exactly rocket science.

Maybe he just didnt care enough to carefully read it and think about it and posted because he thought it looked cool? There really isn't a way to explain it much better than the way he did, in that amount of time. Plus, no matter how good one explanation is, someone will always not understand it.

Have you actually read the explanation and think there is something wrong with it?

You're reading a lot into this my friend, the statement was merely an observation on the almost paradoxical nature of his statement - and only that. I suppose I need an asterix explaining that it's not meant to be taken as a slight towards the guide or the user I quoted? Maybe I was wrong in not doing that.

I'm just saying it's very easy for someone to not understand a great explanation, specially when we don't know if they even attempted it. Anyone that went to school should know how it's often not the teacher's fault. I didn't read a lot into your first statement, I just commented that I, someone who actually read it, though it was a good post. Your response was surprising to me since I believe everyone has seen cases where a good explanation alone doesn't go anywhere.

This is all great, but I consciously used the word "seems", do you not agree that the statements could "seem" conflicting? I just thought that it was mildly amusing, even though I easily understood the message he was conveying. Needless to say your comments on the learning process are entirely superfluous, because I agree. I will now go to bed less than mildly amused, thank you and goodnight.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 22:12:10
October 24 2013 22:09 GMT
#1617
On October 25 2013 07:04 Alur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2013 06:46 SKC wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:35 Alur wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:12 SKC wrote:
On October 25 2013 06:09 Alur wrote:
How great can an explanation be if he doesn't understand the concept being explained? As you said, it's not exactly rocket science.

Maybe he just didnt care enough to carefully read it and think about it and posted because he thought it looked cool? There really isn't a way to explain it much better than the way he did, in that amount of time. Plus, no matter how good one explanation is, someone will always not understand it.

Have you actually read the explanation and think there is something wrong with it?

You're reading a lot into this my friend, the statement was merely an observation on the almost paradoxical nature of his statement - and only that. I suppose I need an asterix explaining that it's not meant to be taken as a slight towards the guide or the user I quoted? Maybe I was wrong in not doing that.

I'm just saying it's very easy for someone to not understand a great explanation, specially when we don't know if they even attempted it. Anyone that went to school should know how it's often not the teacher's fault. I didn't read a lot into your first statement, I just commented that I, someone who actually read it, though it was a good post. Your response was surprising to me since I believe everyone has seen cases where a good explanation alone doesn't go anywhere.

This is all great, but I consciously used the word "seems", do you not agree that the statements could "seem" conflicting? I just thought that it was mildly amusing, even though I easily understood the message he was conveying. Needless to say your comments on the learning process are entirely superfluous, because I agree. I will now go to bed less than mildly amused, thank you and goodnight.


Oh, your first comment makes sense. Your question "How great can an explanation be if he doesn't understand the concept being explained?" doesn't, since it can be from terrible to the best explanation on Earth. It seems you also agrees that being able to understand the concept isn't really necessairly related to the quality of the explanation.

Thank you for the silly discussion, goodnight.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
October 24 2013 22:10 GMT
#1618
surely this random rosh thing only being not random to spectators makes it easier to cheat

even with 5 minute delay slipping a player a message of what time it will respawn
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 24 2013 22:12 GMT
#1619
the inner clock doesn't appear till after the 8 minutes
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-24 22:52:54
October 24 2013 22:44 GMT
#1620
On October 25 2013 06:30 Irratonalys wrote:
Show nested quote +

Even if you wait around for a random spawn of a Satyr camp and manage to get the Satyr Banisher (a 240 HP creep that gets blown up by any decent nuke by the time Necro comes into play), it won't even kill a level 2 Necronomicon unit. The strategy will only works against level 1 minions at 200 range, and the archer can destroy the Banisher with ease before he gets close. It's a huge waste of money to pick up a HotD for that explicit purpose if it's not part of your item build.


but you can also purge off other things like various buffs , ethereal status ecetera. im saying , there are still ways to deal with mass necrobook , people will adapt.


True. Mass Necronomicon will still be a strong strategy going into the future though. Many of the answers to it are very awkward and don't work as straight counters. And Necro is a very efficient item to use in terms of mana and costs. For just 50 mana you're getting a shitton of damage output and health, not to mention the auras + pure damage blowback + true sight + angles.
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