EPTI mean, you wouldn't balance CM by making her autoattacks do % of enemy life. Her strength is her early game - if you use that, she doesn't need to have good late game.
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LAN-f34r
New Zealand2099 Posts
I mean, you wouldn't balance CM by making her autoattacks do % of enemy life. Her strength is her early game - if you use that, she doesn't need to have good late game. | ||
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crimsonSoldier
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
Maybe it's just because I'm playing against people who haven't figured it out yet, but it feels so strong and so hard to play against. Lemme go over why. For one, you don't need to wardblock the pull camp with either obs or sentries. The reason this is strong is because their lane, whatever it is, can't afford to pull in almost any situation. This means that you can devote one of your two wards early in an aggro position - either one right behind their T1 that watches the pull camp, or one defensively for your safe lane in the event that he's also facing a trilane. They also last 7 minutes, so warding pre 0:00 runewards is now fine. Awesome. Two, dual lanes and solo lanes get crushed. There's no two ways about this, because their safelane cannot contest YOUR pulls and if you've drafted an aggro trilane, you've likely drafted a set of heroes that is terrifying right out of the gate. A single pull of their safelane's wave into the small camp usually sacrifices a melee creep while functioning as a single pull - your next creepwave is something they'll have to try lasthit under tower, but afterwards the creep momentum will push back towards your tower. From this point your trilane can control the wave in a favorable position and zone the one or two heroes - the 1300 exp range working in your favour to zone while still being in exp range. From this position (which is easy to get to against dual or solo lanes), you can react to what's going on in the game. - Weak solo? Single pull the enemy wave and dive him with the wave. If he retreats, single pull and pull through to the next camp, have the core of the trilane farm the wave + neutrals of the pull while the supports push the tower. OR leave one support to zone (don't pull; have your carry control the wave) while the other roams, if they've got a mid that needs shutting down or your bottom lane is in a rough position and afraid of getting dove. - vs a dual lane? Dedicate both supports to zoning. Your supports will still be getting experience, you should have your extra ward up somewhere that lets you zone safely, and them having two top means your safelane isn't in the same situation, so he should be getting a heck of a lot more than their safelane is. Your goal is still an early tower so you can dissolve the trilane and be useful elsewhere, but getting an exp advantage while it's available is an awful good idea. The obvious response is this: they NEED to trilane. A defensive safelane trilane isn't bad by any stretch... but it isn't as good as it used to be because of the many changes that disfavor the safelane tri. The other alternative is that they do the same and offensive trilane, which makes me feel like one of my starting items as support should be a teleport scroll  TAKE THAT ICEFRAUD, try make me spend my early game money on myself pffffWell DotA gods? Am I wrong? How's everyone else laning 6.79? + Show Spoiler + Nyx stun has only screwed me for the vendetta -> impale combo. That's pretty much the only time I wasn't casting it on the ground anyways, so it feels really strange when they just sidestep my stun after the vendetta. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
- Doom Aghanim AoE requirement increased from 550 to 900 - Hide Spoiler - This is the AoE that is considered when freezing the duration of Aghanim upgraded Doom. | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:21 govie wrote: I dont understand the below quote from OP, can someone clarify what AoE the agh.septer gives doom? thx it is the AoE in which the doomed target have the doom duration frozen, aka if Doom with aghs cast doom on Gyro, as long as Gyro stay within 900 range around Doom, the doom duration is frozen | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:26 bluegarfield wrote: it is the AoE in which the doomed target have the doom duration frozen, aka if Doom with aghs cast doom on Gyro, as long as Gyro stay within 900 range around Doom, the doom duration is frozen Thx! Thats a pretty nice upgrade, but dont know if that justifies an expensive septer. Could be i guess, lemme think  | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On October 24 2013 21:34 govie wrote: Thx! Thats a pretty nice upgrade, but dont know if that justifies an expensive septer. Could be i guess, lemme think That's not the only change from Aghs, it also increases the duration and damage. It's still not exactly an amazing items for doom, but far more practical than it would be otherwise. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On October 24 2013 22:47 SKC wrote: That's not the only change from Aghs, it also increases the duration and damage. It's still not exactly an amazing items for doom, but far more practical than it would be otherwise. Well, if there is no manasupport in the team (cm or kotl), I allways have mana issues. If i would go septer first, i can skip vangaurd and a shiva's is less good after septer anyways becuz ive allready got better manaproduction. So, septer could be potent because u can skip 2 expensive items if u can manage it all with a septer.` edit: Tried it with manaboots into --> bloodstone+septer -> u have a nice early tanking spellspammer but to much mana to spend. Not good! | ||
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FuzioNda1337
Sweden159 Posts
On October 24 2013 16:50 Mithhaike wrote: Are you actually discussing or just shooting people down? He is right about Battlehunger being a laning skill. It forces the enemy to come forward to deny/creep kill, where you can bully them by just running at them. Laning stage is a game of trades. Your forcing HP trades, which axe should come out the winner because Battlehunger last nearly forever. If your being harassed down quickly, means your not doing the trades efficiently. No one is asking you to run in like it's sparta. Do smart and effective trades ffs. Then you proceed to give lots of example how it would not work including trilanes etc, who the hell will lane a axe against a trilane. Thats just stupidity. You obviously haven't seen a good axe bullying people out of lane. Or faced one. Please please come out with a better argument instead of arguing for the sake of arguing. Your making no sense whatsoever. Axe in it's currently form is actually good for laning stage, but pretty weak once it hits late game imo. If there's changes required, i feel it's for the endgame situation. as i said it only works if you have supperior spells than other team, lets say you go offensive tri against defensive. they have rubick, lesh luna. where you might have visage,axe and lets say alchemist. first off its even worse if they are on defensive. becuse of pullspot if not warded wich aint likeley anymore, also all will have mana to use a spell or grab lasthit easy of those picks. there is no way in hell you gonna get full duration of battle hunger, if both are at high level and played for 6 plus years of dota. you just ignore axe and position yourself 50-75 yards away from your creeps. left or right during engagement and keep yourself at dmg distance to nuke while being spreadout. as i said you can gu thru this over and over and over again. ive played moba since strife and dota since beginning and trust me most picks will demolish you what you are trying to do. also if u didnt notice battlehunger got a change it deals alot worse dmg now,battlehunger serves not purpose in his kit. like some of the heroes that aint touched at all almost. to ortodox spells that dont fit their kit to well. im not saying he is bad, i am saying better hero picks that does his job better. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8687 Posts
On October 25 2013 01:54 FuzioNda1337 wrote: as i said it only works if you have supperior spells than other team, lets say you go offensive tri against defensive. they have rubick, lesh luna. where you might have visage,axe and lets say alchemist. first off its even worse if they are on defensive. becuse of pullspot if not warded wich aint likeley anymore, also all will have mana to use a spell or grab lasthit easy of those picks. there is no way in hell you gonna get full duration of battle hunger, if both are at high level and played for 6 plus years of dota. you just ignore axe and position yourself 50-75 yards away from your creeps. left or right during engagement and keep yourself at dmg distance to nuke while being spreadout. as i said you can gu thru this over and over and over again. ive played moba since strife and dota since beginning and trust me most picks will demolish you what you are trying to do. also if u didnt notice battlehunger got a change it deals alot worse dmg now,battlehunger serves not purpose in his kit. like some of the heroes that aint touched at all almost. to ortodox spells that dont fit their kit to well. im not saying he is bad, i am saying better hero picks that does his job better. so...are you trying to suggest that battlehunger is a bad laning skill? cause if you are you are terribly mistaken. for someone whos been playing "since beginning", im disappointed | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
The AoE on drunken haze is also not really useful except I think against illusions. Dispell on the other hand will be way more powerful now. Hallberd could be a niche choice now, but the ennemy carry should get mkb when facing panda btw. Besides after dagger/agha you will usually want some aoe armor like vlad and ac because the pandas start becoming really easy to shut down at this stage of the game. | ||
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Tunga
United States765 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1p4uj2/bring_back_dota_2_campaign/ We need to let valve know that they might be killing the game and being top 10 on reddit may indeed get their attention | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4544 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:48 Tunga wrote: If you dislike the patch please upvote this thread http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/commen...ta_2_campaign/ We need to let valve know that they might be killing the game and being top 10 on reddit may indeed get their attention Where's the petition that approves of the patch? I'll sign that one instead. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:52 Laurens wrote: Where's the petition that approves of the patch? I'll sign that one instead. Same. Enjoying it boatloads. | ||
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
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Shaella
United States14827 Posts
On October 25 2013 02:48 Tunga wrote: If you dislike the patch please upvote this thread http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/commen...ta_2_campaign/ We need to let valve know that they might be killing the game and being top 10 on reddit may indeed get their attention 1. You failed to link 2. hahahahahahahaha 3. ahahahhahahaahahahaaha | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On October 25 2013 03:25 SilverStar wrote: After watching PR vs Youboat on Fragbite Masters the only question is how mass necro will be dealt with. I'm...not...sure. Seriously. This could get interesting. It might not be broken, but you can sure as hell bet teams are going to play around with this. | ||
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Tunga
United States765 Posts
On October 25 2013 03:52 Shaella wrote: 1. You failed to link 2. hahahahahahahaha 3. ahahahhahahaahahahaaha Sorry fixed: http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/1p4uj2/bring_back_dota_2_campaign/ | ||
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