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On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Show nested quote +Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point.
More like you're 100% of a dick and also pretty stupid because this is how it worked in HoN and everyone know it's not like you're describing,
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My big question is, does the sentry ward no longer block spawn camps because it no longer gives vision?
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I think huge nerf on Brewmaster's Agh's upgrade...
It's probably not worth rushing nor getting it at all.
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On October 19 2013 01:57 tpmraven wrote:
My big question is, does the sentry ward no longer block spawn camps because it no longer gives vision?
Blocking camps isn't about having vision on the camp. That is a surprisingly widely believed piece of false information. Its down to whether or not there is another entity in the spawning box around the camp when the timer ticks onto XX:00. A ward is still an entity within that box, therefore it should still block.
(That's also why you can hide wards behind certain camps to block them spawning rather than having to put them in the camp itself.)
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
spectre ulti change is really cool. would be awesome with a better spectre model
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On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.)
This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from.
LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy.
You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from.
Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility.
You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better.
@Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal.
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This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from.
You can, but its acknowledged as a bug.
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On October 19 2013 02:01 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:57 tpmraven wrote:
My big question is, does the sentry ward no longer block spawn camps because it no longer gives vision? Blocking camps isn't about having vision on the camp. That is a surprisingly widely believed piece of false information. Its down to whether or not there is another entity in the spawning box around the camp when the timer ticks onto XX:00. A ward is still an entity within that box, therefore it should still block. (That's also why you can hide wards behind certain camps to block them spawning rather than having to put them in the camp itself.)
that's not entirely true because you can't block camps with,for instance,a iron branch.
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+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post
You have some issues in talking with people. I literally made this account to tell you how batshit insane you are. I know you only talk to people like this because of the anonymity of the internet, cause I'm pretty sure you would learn pretty quick in the real world to speak with respect. Now please keep pretending to be a hardass while you die a little inside with each keystroke.
On Topic: I really want to see a pro team offlane lich with an enchant feeding him almost timed out big creeps. I'm not sure how much lich effects the game with more levels but it should be an interesting new idea(albeit probably not the best new "combo" from this patch though).
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Some crazy changes here. Need to see how everything plays out.
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On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post
You seem to not understand the notes.
Its only hooks from ledges that cannot be reached outside of blink ect that are being given the pathing thingy, otherwise it reacts exactly the same as before.
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On October 19 2013 02:25 bmanwithagun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post You have some issues in talking with people. I literally made this account to tell you how batshit insane you are. I know you only talk to people like this because of the anonymity of the internet, cause I'm pretty sure you would learn pretty quick in the real world to speak with respect. Now please keep pretending to be a hardass while you die a little inside with each keystroke. On Topic: I really want to see a pro team offlane lich with an enchant feeding him almost timed out big creeps. I'm not sure how much lich effects the game with more levels but it should be an interesting new idea(albeit probably not the best new "combo" from this patch though).
why would that need to be offlane? if anything you want to just use sacrifice while your creeps are out of their exp range, so you get extra exp AND deny them exp.
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On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post
Is this a troll or you just can't read english? This isn't working like you think it is. Read what other people wrote to you before offending them with such a condescending tone.
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On October 19 2013 02:34 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 02:25 bmanwithagun wrote:
On Topic: I really want to see a pro team offlane lich with an enchant feeding him almost timed out big creeps. I'm not sure how much lich effects the game with more levels but it should be an interesting new idea(albeit probably not the best new "combo" from this patch though). why would that need to be offlane? if anything you want to just use sacrifice while your creeps are out of their exp range, so you get extra exp AND deny them exp.
Well i figured with the new creep equilibrium you would really only need to deny 1 or 2 creeps to get the lane in your favor. I figured from there since you'll already be getting creep xp and then say you throw a big satyr or 2 on top of that(of course you'll occasionally use it on your creeps to keep the lane in your favor), you can not only harass the shit out of the enemy carry(remember you'll be level 5 while they are level 4 or even 3 if everything goes your way). Once lich gets 7(or even 6 if the enemy carry hangs around his own creeps) he is a ridiculous lane presence with free mana to spam your nuke and hopefully harass the them back so you can snowball harder on them.
Like i said it's probably just a novelty strat but it still think it could be fun to see from a team with pro level coordination
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On October 19 2013 02:25 bmanwithagun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post You have some issues in talking with people. I literally made this account to tell you how batshit insane you are. I know you only talk to people like this because of the anonymity of the internet, cause I'm pretty sure you would learn pretty quick in the real world to speak with respect. Now please keep pretending to be a hardass while you die a little inside with each keystroke. On Topic: I really want to see a pro team offlane lich with an enchant feeding him almost timed out big creeps. I'm not sure how much lich effects the game with more levels but it should be an interesting new idea(albeit probably not the best new "combo" from this patch though).
So then let me get this straight, you outright admit that you're creating accounts to circumvent the bans the admins placed on you for doing exactly what you're accusing me of being? I'm not the one who has to go make other accounts to post, breaking the TL forum rules in the process.
I'll wait to see the final results from how this affects hook, but right now its clear that certain situations might be troublesome. I've had multiple admins and pros already coming here to back me up and state that although what I'm mentioning are acknowledged as bugs or problems, they still are there and work as I've described nonetheless.
That being said, just stay on topic and don't try to insult rather than post insight or a point and we'll be fine. Big patches always cause panic until the final product is tried out and released so this is to be expected.
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On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post
I'm not sure what having "estrogen in my thinking processes" means (after all, I could be female right?), but I won't respond in kind since sinking to your level already got me a warning.
But you're still not understanding the Pudge change. They are not reducing places Pudge can be effective. In a vacuum, allowing Pudge to use Blink Dagger would have increased the number of places Pudge can be effective by including unpathable terrain like rune cliffs, Radiant hard camp, etc. By adding the pathing change as well, Pudge can't hook people from those locations and keep them in a place where they can't get away even after Dismember.
These are the same locations for which fixes have been made to heroes like Rubick and Dark Seer to keep you from putting your opponents in a place they can't get out of without a TP. They're just doing it preemptively with Pudge rather than waiting for the unwashed masses to cry about it.
Blink Dagger alone makes this an amazing patch for Pudge, but the pathing change is not a nerf like you think it is.
EDIT: What pros and mods have agreed with your interpretation of the Pudge change? I see that Yango confirmed that the way Tiny currently works is bugged, but fail to see how that backs up your interpretation of the Pudge patch notes, in fact it just adds more precedent for why they would handle Pudge this way.
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I really don't like this patch. Some changes are practically insane, others look so random. Batrider deserved a slight nerf, but -10 damage ??? Wtf... Some heroes got an insane buff. Bloodseeker now is really what the fuck is going on ?
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On October 19 2013 03:13 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 02:25 bmanwithagun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post You have some issues in talking with people. I literally made this account to tell you how batshit insane you are. I know you only talk to people like this because of the anonymity of the internet, cause I'm pretty sure you would learn pretty quick in the real world to speak with respect. Now please keep pretending to be a hardass while you die a little inside with each keystroke. On Topic: I really want to see a pro team offlane lich with an enchant feeding him almost timed out big creeps. I'm not sure how much lich effects the game with more levels but it should be an interesting new idea(albeit probably not the best new "combo" from this patch though). So then let me get this straight, you outright admit that you're creating accounts to circumvent the bans the admins placed on you for doing exactly what you're accusing me of being? I'm not the one who has to go make other accounts to post, breaking the TL forum rules in the process. I'll wait to see the final results from how this affects hook, but right now its clear that certain situations might be troublesome. I've had multiple admins and pros already coming here to back me up and state that although what I'm mentioning are acknowledged as bugs or problems, they still are there and work as I've described nonetheless. That being said, just stay on topic and don't try to insult rather than post insight or a point and we'll be fine. Big patches always cause panic until the final product is tried out and released so this is to be expected.
There is only one sensible way to stop this drama and arguying
1v1 mid pudge showmatch
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On October 19 2013 03:24 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:13 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 02:25 bmanwithagun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post You have some issues in talking with people. I literally made this account to tell you how batshit insane you are. I know you only talk to people like this because of the anonymity of the internet, cause I'm pretty sure you would learn pretty quick in the real world to speak with respect. Now please keep pretending to be a hardass while you die a little inside with each keystroke. On Topic: I really want to see a pro team offlane lich with an enchant feeding him almost timed out big creeps. I'm not sure how much lich effects the game with more levels but it should be an interesting new idea(albeit probably not the best new "combo" from this patch though). So then let me get this straight, you outright admit that you're creating accounts to circumvent the bans the admins placed on you for doing exactly what you're accusing me of being? I'm not the one who has to go make other accounts to post, breaking the TL forum rules in the process. I'll wait to see the final results from how this affects hook, but right now its clear that certain situations might be troublesome. I've had multiple admins and pros already coming here to back me up and state that although what I'm mentioning are acknowledged as bugs or problems, they still are there and work as I've described nonetheless. That being said, just stay on topic and don't try to insult rather than post insight or a point and we'll be fine. Big patches always cause panic until the final product is tried out and released so this is to be expected. There is only one sensible way to stop this drama and arguying 1v1 mid pudge showmatch
With a free dagger at start!
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On October 19 2013 03:24 Darkren wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 03:13 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 02:25 bmanwithagun wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 19 2013 02:08 sCCrooked wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 01:22 Saryph wrote:On October 19 2013 01:15 sCCrooked wrote:On October 19 2013 01:13 Sn0_Man wrote:On October 19 2013 01:11 sCCrooked wrote:
I don't understand anyone who thinks about bitching because pudge can now use blink dagger. They mega-nerfed him with the free movement after hook hits. The whole point of hook was being able to safely grab someone out of the group and get a quick kill before moving off, now you can't do that. This nerf to pudge is massive and basically makes him useless since now any big hooks are no longer kills. If you are skilled enough to hook way across the river or hide up on a ledge, they can now just walk down the ledge and be completely fine while you're stuck and are now exposed. This is an awful change to him. And you can't read lol. They only get free pathing if you hook them onto a "ledge" like where furion cliffjungles from. Ironically, you did not read and therefore made a stupid statement. Try reading the second to last sentence and realize how dumb it was for you to make your comment. Um what? The pathing change is just there so you can't troll your own teammates. If you were in any way correct in your thinking, you'd question why it affects enemies then. If it were really just for anti-trolling, it would affect your own team only and not enemies hooked. I still remain 100% right with my point. Pudge's hook does not give you the ability to walk up and down any cliffs or ledges (like your 'across the river' complaint seems to suggest you believe.) It only protects you from being hooked into places that Rubick cannot toss people (best way I can easily explain it.) This is incorrect as you can toss people on the cliffs near the runes or where you tend to cliff farm from. Show nested quote +LMFAO you still can't read. Across the river doesn't let them walk down. It literally only matters when you blink/force yourself up to an unreachable location then hook somebody else there too. In no other situation does this aid the enemy. You may want to learn the definition of the word "read" because you're getting it confused with "understanding implementation" which is very different. You are also incorrect because as it has already been stated, those locations are no longer places pudge can hide and kill from. Show nested quote +Are you dumb? Rather than allow yourself to be corrected by someone who actually read the patch notes, you just come across as an arrogant ass. The 5 seconds of free pathing, at least according to these patch notes, only occurs if you hook someone to unpathable terrain, i.e. cliffs over runes, or Furion cliff jungling spots, etc. A completely necessary addition now that he can use Blink Dagger, so you can't troll people by hooking them from unreachable locations. According to this wording, any spot you can currently hook from is still possible after this change.
Sorry, you do not remain "100% right" with your point. Try a little humility. You might take your own advice, as it does not apply to me in the least. Even assuming you are right and it only buffs in that regard, its a bad move to reduce places pudge can be effective especially since he's already a very "niche" hero with a limited window of effectiveness. I like ganking from those jungle ledges and catching people in the river going after runes. You can try to call me names like "arrogant ass" all you want, but it still doesn't change the fact that this patch reduces where pudge can be a killing machine and does so through allowing them to get away from him which is how you avoid him killing you anyways. All this does is show you're an overly-sensitive child pretending to be a reasonable adult. Its not that big a deal to shift-click his ult and still get the kill, but it could be annoying if a lag spike hits you right then or something. Try a little less estrogen in your thinking processes and you might come across better. @Gheiz Joining a choir of idiots with nonsensical and empty statements only makes you another idiot. Having more of you doesn't somehow change the fact you're all wrong and too dumb to realize its you and not me. I deal with your kind all the time though so no big deal. User was warned for this post You have some issues in talking with people. I literally made this account to tell you how batshit insane you are. I know you only talk to people like this because of the anonymity of the internet, cause I'm pretty sure you would learn pretty quick in the real world to speak with respect. Now please keep pretending to be a hardass while you die a little inside with each keystroke. On Topic: I really want to see a pro team offlane lich with an enchant feeding him almost timed out big creeps. I'm not sure how much lich effects the game with more levels but it should be an interesting new idea(albeit probably not the best new "combo" from this patch though). So then let me get this straight, you outright admit that you're creating accounts to circumvent the bans the admins placed on you for doing exactly what you're accusing me of being? I'm not the one who has to go make other accounts to post, breaking the TL forum rules in the process. I'll wait to see the final results from how this affects hook, but right now its clear that certain situations might be troublesome. I've had multiple admins and pros already coming here to back me up and state that although what I'm mentioning are acknowledged as bugs or problems, they still are there and work as I've described nonetheless. That being said, just stay on topic and don't try to insult rather than post insight or a point and we'll be fine. Big patches always cause panic until the final product is tried out and released so this is to be expected. There is only one sensible way to stop this drama and arguying 1v1 mid pudge showmatch
Near the rosh pit! All cliff wars with blink and force staff.
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