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On October 18 2013 22:37 goody153 wrote:wow .. alchemist and abaddon change are painful sprint without mana cost for slardar is awesome .. looks like icefrog wants to insert slardar into the meta game i love the venge and pudge that can use dagger  .. games can now be really creative with those two
Yeah, the alch change is painful, though it doesn't necessarily make him useless. You just now have to build an item that improves his hp. He'll be beast with heart with that insane regen. I'm thinking armlet might be a go to item for Alch now, as opposed to only showing up sometimes in pub games.
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Lycan + Necronomicon is SO LEGIT now
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On October 19 2013 00:05 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 22:37 goody153 wrote:wow .. alchemist and abaddon change are painful sprint without mana cost for slardar is awesome .. looks like icefrog wants to insert slardar into the meta game i love the venge and pudge that can use dagger .. games can now be really creative with those two Yeah, the alch change is painful, though it doesn't necessarily make him useless. You just now have to build an item that improves his hp. He'll be beast with heart with that insane regen. I'm thinking armlet might be a go to item for Alch now, as opposed to only showing up sometimes in pub games.
The lack of armlet toggle doesn't hurt alch as much as it hurt all traditional armlet building heroes
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Wuts going on with roshan....
Bloodseeker broken now. Global thirst.
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pudge with blink... Dendi = Icefrog confirmed. every other change is just to cover up for this one.
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Its me or... NightStalker got the axe with the new day/night time? , i doubt he would be able to do ANYTHING at the first night, and the next one starts 4 minutes after that and its much shorter, so at the end, the team against NS have now 8 (2 more) minutes to prepare for NS instead of 6.
Old patch 6 minutes --> Night, enough time for some levels
New patch 4 minutes --> Night, i dont think enough time to properly level up NS, so "wasted" night and after that, 4 minutes more untill Night again
Maybe im wrong ? will try it and see how much levels can i get when the first night starts
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On October 19 2013 00:30 Kabras wrote:
pudge with blink... Dendi = Icefrog confirmed. every other change is just to cover up for this one.
Dendi with Blink AND Forcestaff. Blink forward. Forcestaff whilst hooking.
Terrifying thought.
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On October 19 2013 00:05 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On October 18 2013 22:37 goody153 wrote:wow .. alchemist and abaddon change are painful sprint without mana cost for slardar is awesome .. looks like icefrog wants to insert slardar into the meta game i love the venge and pudge that can use dagger .. games can now be really creative with those two Yeah, the alch change is painful, though it doesn't necessarily make him useless. You just now have to build an item that improves his hp. He'll be beast with heart with that insane regen. I'm thinking armlet might be a go to item for Alch now, as opposed to only showing up sometimes in pub games.
I mathed it and over the duration it technically provides more HP than it did before.
+ Show Spoiler +6.78:
250 + (15*25) = 625
500 + (30*25) = 1250
750 + (60*25) = 2250
6.79:
50*25 = 1250
75*25 = 1875
100*25 = 2500
However, this is only practical if you're gradually taking damage over the 25 seconds, in reality you're probably just going to get bursted down in a couple of seconds with your 1.8 STR gain per level. Though I guess it's REALLY good at level 6 now since despite his poor STR gain he has really good starting strength and the regen got more than tripled. But what're you gonna do with that at level 6? Towerdive? I dunno, I feel like this might just render him completely unplayable but I don't know shit.
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I feel very sad about the Alchemist thing
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On October 19 2013 00:40 GentleDrill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:05 Dreamer.T wrote:On October 18 2013 22:37 goody153 wrote:wow .. alchemist and abaddon change are painful sprint without mana cost for slardar is awesome .. looks like icefrog wants to insert slardar into the meta game i love the venge and pudge that can use dagger .. games can now be really creative with those two Yeah, the alch change is painful, though it doesn't necessarily make him useless. You just now have to build an item that improves his hp. He'll be beast with heart with that insane regen. I'm thinking armlet might be a go to item for Alch now, as opposed to only showing up sometimes in pub games. I mathed it and over the duration it technically provides more HP than it did before. + Show Spoiler +6.78:
250 + (15*25) = 625
500 + (30*25) = 1250
750 + (60*25) = 2250
6.79:
50*25 = 1250
75*25 = 1875
100*25 = 2500 However, this is only practical if you're gradually taking damage over the 25 seconds, in reality you're probably just going to get bursted down in a couple of seconds with your 1.8 STR gain per level. Though I guess it's REALLY good at level 6 now since despite his poor STR gain he has really good starting strength and the regen got more than tripled. But what're you gonna do with that at level 6? Towerdive? I dunno, I feel like this might just render him completely unplayable but I don't know shit.
What about an Alch, Dazzle, Pugna combo?
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On October 19 2013 00:37 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:30 Kabras wrote:
pudge with blink... Dendi = Icefrog confirmed. every other change is just to cover up for this one. Dendi with Blink AND Forcestaff. Blink forward. Forcestaff whilst hooking. Terrifying thought.
bullshit. since the last patch the target is always hooked to the point, where pudge was standing.
how can u guys think bloodseeker is broken now?
the changes did like NOTHING :D
oh xxxx movespeed... and then?
he is still useless in lategame.
same with broodmother.
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On October 19 2013 00:37 -Celestial- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:30 Kabras wrote:
pudge with blink... Dendi = Icefrog confirmed. every other change is just to cover up for this one. Dendi with Blink AND Forcestaff. Blink forward. Forcestaff whilst hooking. Terrifying thought. i'd be more concerned with the opposite. Hook into blink back, into force staff even more back. :D
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Thank god they're finally nerfing buyback...made the game way too dumb. Everything else is interesting, but will take practice to figure out exactly how it effects everything.
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On October 19 2013 00:33 Faruko wrote:
Its me or... NightStalker got the axe with the new day/night time? , i doubt he would be able to do ANYTHING at the first night, and the next one starts 4 minutes after that and its much shorter, so at the end, the team against NS have now 8 (2 more) minutes to prepare for NS instead of 6.
Old patch 6 minutes --> Night, enough time for some levels
New patch 4 minutes --> Night, i dont think enough time to properly level up NS, so "wasted" night and after that, 4 minutes more untill Night again
Maybe im wrong ? will try it and see how much levels can i get when the first night starts
Nightstalker will absolutely wreck everyone in 6.79
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On October 19 2013 00:57 deth2munkies wrote:
Thank god they're finally nerfing buyback...made the game way too dumb. Everything else is interesting, but will take practice to figure out exactly how it effects everything.
Unfortunately I expect to see far fewer "diebacks" (rage bb into unintentional feed before original death timer is up) since you can't rage BB and farm anymore 
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On October 19 2013 00:53 wo1fwood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:37 -Celestial- wrote:On October 19 2013 00:30 Kabras wrote:
pudge with blink... Dendi = Icefrog confirmed. every other change is just to cover up for this one. Dendi with Blink AND Forcestaff. Blink forward. Forcestaff whilst hooking. Terrifying thought. i'd be more concerned with the opposite. Hook into blink back, into force staff even more back. :D
Aren't hooked targets being pulled to the location pudge was, when he casted the hook, since a while ago?
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On October 18 2013 01:54 cecek wrote:
* XP AoE increased from 1200 to 1300
* Non-Ancient Neutrals now split XP with all heroes in the AoE instead of just the team that killed them
Defensive trilanes pretty much useless? I don't know how you force the offlaner out of exp range from your pull and you creeps. This is huge.
lol? really
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After a game vs bots, I dare to say that scepter on skywrath will not be a factor even in pubs. If he rushes it, he barely has the mana to cast his ult twice. He still cant farm, so if manages to get it, this should usually means game is over no matter what.
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On October 19 2013 00:53 wo1fwood wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2013 00:37 -Celestial- wrote:On October 19 2013 00:30 Kabras wrote:
pudge with blink... Dendi = Icefrog confirmed. every other change is just to cover up for this one. Dendi with Blink AND Forcestaff. Blink forward. Forcestaff whilst hooking. Terrifying thought. i'd be more concerned with the opposite. Hook into blink back, into force staff even more back. :D
Doesn't hook always bring you to the place the hook started at since the fountain hook nerf patch?
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