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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 14 2013 16:11 GMT
#241
On November 15 2013 00:05 TheYango wrote:
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On November 14 2013 23:30 Ravensong170 wrote:
I just thought it was coded the same as Axe's counter helix ? Any reasons that it can't be coded the same? or is it because it's technically an 'auto-attack' that applies damage based on her damage rather than counter helix which is like a Proc ability that deals a set amount to damage?

Because Moment of Courage is still linked to her autoattack timer, it's just that it plays with the attack speed values. Axe's Counter Helix is not linked to your autoattack timer whatsoever because it's an ability.

How does Moment of Courage work in DotA?
Whenever you get attacked, immediately receive a buff boosting your AS to the maximum for a single attack so you complete whichever attack you were currently performing, perform another one at the enemy who just attacked you, and come back to regular AS right after?
Does the "bonus" auto override whichever action you were performing (so you turn back to hit someone if you were trying to run, or potentially break a channel), or does it wait for completion before playing? Doesn't it mess your targeting if one can make you attack him over his running ally and let the latter escape?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
November 14 2013 16:13 GMT
#242
THANK YOU VOLVO.

At last swedes did something useful :D
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
November 14 2013 16:15 GMT
#243
On November 15 2013 00:49 Kuzmorgo wrote:
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On November 15 2013 00:40 LimitSEA wrote:
Patch hits JUST IN TIME FOR MY RETURN FROM KOREA.

Got a brand new OP carry to play. Got to make Ember Spirit last as long as possible before he gets nerfed.


Sorry to break it to you but he already got nerfed.

Well, shit.

Maybe I should learn to play Earth Spirit. He looks like he has a lot of potential to be stupidly strong.
Long live the King of Wings
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
November 14 2013 16:16 GMT
#244
Wow, you don't need to see the area you cast Sleight of Fist on.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
November 14 2013 16:17 GMT
#245
Do you keep the items you get in test client?
super gg
PSIDefenseUp
Profile Joined January 2011
United States251 Posts
November 14 2013 16:18 GMT
#246
On November 15 2013 01:16 makmeatt wrote:
Wow, you don't need to see the area you cast Sleight of Fist on.

Easy Rosh peek.
EternaLAniMe1991
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 16:21:37
November 14 2013 16:19 GMT
#247
New heroes, sockets, hats whatever... Who cares.
Tell me what does that lanepicker do ?Is it like in some chinese servers where you pick position from 1-5 in the queue or what?
Leeoku
Profile Joined May 2010
1617 Posts
November 14 2013 16:21 GMT
#248
Hm It seems they changed some of earth spirit compared to dota1
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 14 2013 16:22 GMT
#249
On November 15 2013 00:32 Ravensong170 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 00:05 TheYango wrote:
On November 14 2013 23:30 Ravensong170 wrote:
I just thought it was coded the same as Axe's counter helix ? Any reasons that it can't be coded the same? or is it because it's technically an 'auto-attack' that applies damage based on her damage rather than counter helix which is like a Proc ability that deals a set amount to damage?

Because Moment of Courage is still linked to her autoattack timer, it's just that it plays with the attack speed values. Axe's Counter Helix is not linked to your autoattack timer whatsoever because it's an ability.


So Moment of courage can't actually "proc" if you are mid auto attack animation? (if I'm reading this correctly, which I'm probably not) so it only procs in between auto- attacks ? or does it happen immediately after the current attack if it is triggered.

Is there any reason it can't be linked the same as axe's counter helix but just use her right-click damage? or would it then be triggered too often ?
(I just played him a lot in Dota 1, never really dug into any of these nuances. So My ignorance is showing)


Technically that would work but there's a ridiculous number of special cases you'd have to rectify between on-attack and on-ability effects that make that solution even more troublesome than fixing the bug.
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Spyisaspy
Profile Joined August 2013
United States183 Posts
November 14 2013 16:22 GMT
#250
On November 15 2013 01:19 Pr0wler wrote:
New heroes, sockets, hats whatever... Who cares.
Tell me what does that lanepicker do ? Is it like in some chinese servers where you pick position from 1-5 in the queue or what ?

basically click on the lane and it tells them where you are going. I think it's made to help people to communicate with others who don't speak the other language. actually this might make going solo and getting a team full of foreigners more manageable now (hopefully)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 14 2013 16:24 GMT
#251
On November 15 2013 01:16 makmeatt wrote:
Wow, you don't need to see the area you cast Sleight of Fist on.

Also, because Searing Chains has no animation, you can Sleight-> Chains to root someone while chasing them if you time your Chains cast properly.
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Locke-
Profile Joined December 2011
499 Posts
November 14 2013 16:28 GMT
#252
I am very happy with this update. I hope Valve learns from their mistakes and communicates with the players. I wasn't in the crazy group that spammed emoticons and stuff like that but I was kind of bothered by the lack of communication and even played less Dota 2 lately because I just didn't feel the drive to do it. I trust they realized how much their interaction affects the community.
woreyour
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
582 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 16:30:39
November 14 2013 16:30 GMT
#253
On November 14 2013 16:45 Zooper31 wrote:
I love everything in this update but one thing...

They took away our pudgy Storm Spirit with his amazing voiceover!


what? no more "who's that handsome devil?: (((

and that giggly laugh? ((

and that cuddly mexican nacho libre like spirit? (((


let the prices flip! hahaha my axe, wd, omni and morph items are now ready to be salvaged! nyahahaha

I am so sexy.. I sometimes romance myself..
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
November 14 2013 16:31 GMT
#254
The nerfs for ember only hits those that are used to playing him with shield + chains. With the mana cost, its not effective build anymore. even then, sof chain build was strong, but its not an intuitive way on how he works. Before you bash the build, I suggest you try sof chain, with shield gotten last or after stats. Build wise is to play him as a carry with 2 x bf and crit. If you have to fight earlier, make sure you have oov.

Intuitively, shield route seem to do more damage. I forgot the math, but sof build doesn't lose out to it. More importantly, you don't need to be suicidal and glued to the enemy. Definitely the drawback is the weak laning, but xin sucks at it anyway.

Xin is one of the hardest carry around when he has items. His curve is unique in that early game he is weak, mid game he is strong with levels. mid late game he is weak as his skill set starts to fade, and he hasn't gotten his items. Late game he is a monster with sof + bf crit splash.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
November 14 2013 16:32 GMT
#255
On November 15 2013 01:28 Locke- wrote:
I am very happy with this update. I hope Valve learns from their mistakes and communicates with the players. I wasn't in the crazy group that spammed emoticons and stuff like that but I was kind of bothered by the lack of communication and even played less Dota 2 lately because I just didn't feel the drive to do it. I trust they realized how much their interaction affects the community.


Equally, the community needs to trust in Icefrog.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
November 14 2013 16:36 GMT
#256
I'm sure they didn't change storm's voicepack?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
November 14 2013 16:37 GMT
#257
Guys, Dota heroes are strong.

Imagine Magnataur or Batrider being released today.
Once you Goblak...
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
November 14 2013 16:40 GMT
#258
Valve always impressive with the character models for DOTA2 nowadays. Wonder if that coaching feature will open up some revenue streams for the pros. Valve has done a lot of innovating with this game and very cool to see that it's still going.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14827 Posts
November 14 2013 16:40 GMT
#259
On November 14 2013 19:33 Nevuk wrote:
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On November 14 2013 19:23 Shaella wrote:
On November 14 2013 19:18 Yarbleck wrote:
On November 14 2013 18:26 SilverStar wrote:
On November 14 2013 18:24 Yarbleck wrote:
Still nothing about ranked play / ladder...

Don't expect it any time soon. It is not something that is really needed. If it is a main focus for you I suggest you try other games.

I'm gonna take Monday off for this...



I have been playing dota since something like ... 2008. So yeah at some point random match making is not fun anymore in a e-sport focused game.

I don't get why people say that ladder is not a main concern in this game. Do you imagine W3 or SC2 without ladder ?
NO, then why DOTA2 should be different ?
There is a reason why the pro player I watched in the MYM/SK era are still the same one that are competing today : it's because there is no easy way for players to start playing comp games.

And I don't think things like going to a invite league full of retarded BM player who think they are all the next Yaphets or Dendi or switching to ShitLeague of retard as was suggested in an other post is a good option to start player interest in playing serious DOTA and growing the pro scene.

we still have them around because they're still really good at dota and still want to play

There are up and coming players in the scene too,

Hell, like all of Speed gaming, Qojqva and Wayto? RTZ, there are new players coming into the scene.

None of these players are new unless you count new being "started playing dota 2 near the beginning of the beta". Seriously, speed gaming?

?

I'm sorry. How many players on Alliance were at TI for the first time? 3.

I don't know what your criteria for new players is, but people like Aui, EE, Bulldog? All of these palyers may have played WC3 dota but they're certainly new to the competetive dota scene overall.

As for the fact that they palced WC3 dota, its not that WC3 dota allowed some sort of pro growth that we need to have ladders to emulate, its that Dota is an incredibly complex game and its hard as hell to compete on the professional level without a TON of knowledge

thats exactly why the KR teams are so BAD
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
November 14 2013 16:41 GMT
#260
OMG AE stun that goes through BKB so OP
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
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