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Team DK Wins the WPC Ace League Finals Over iG - Page 2

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Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
January 01 2014 19:44 GMT
#21
iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol.
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dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6181 Posts
January 01 2014 19:50 GMT
#22
:O
That looked like ti was exciting!
You should add the vods to the OP, I almost missed them!
<3
lprk
Profile Joined September 2013
Poland2249 Posts
January 01 2014 19:51 GMT
#23
On January 02 2014 04:44 739 wrote:
iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol.

[image loading]
He wasn't looking too happy after it ended.
Epoxide
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Magic Woods9326 Posts
January 01 2014 19:52 GMT
#24
Had keys on DK. Stayed up until the three hour break, iG up 3-0, absolutely crushing DK. New year resolution to never bet on dota again. Wake up to DK winning 4-3. welp
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ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 20:11:52
January 01 2014 20:03 GMT
#25
On January 02 2014 04:43 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota.


I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless.

You aren't a pro team if you can't handle 7 games in a day. It's clear both iG and LGD lost (in a heart-breaking fashion) because they have ran out of strats to use and couldn't counter their opponents on a fly. The exertion factor is crucial in every sport, the hardships of challenge make the prize more prestigious, etc.

I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
January 01 2014 20:09 GMT
#26
On January 02 2014 05:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 04:43 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota.


I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless.

You aren't a pro team if you can't handle 7 games in a day. It's clear both iG and LGD lost (in a heart-breaking fashion) because they have ran out of strats to use and couldn't counter their opponents on a fly. The exertion factor is crucial in every sport.

You can make the argument DK would have ended up the losers if it weren't for the break. Even if both teams knew about it, you can't help but think that if DK did not have the time to recompose themselves, IG would have simply run over DK with a 4-0 sweep.

The Bo7 format didn't make the finals epic to me and even though DK did come back, it did not in anyway produce more exciting games than say a Bo5 would.
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 20:24:12
January 01 2014 20:18 GMT
#27
On January 02 2014 05:09 Kuroeeah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 05:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On January 02 2014 04:43 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota.


I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless.

You aren't a pro team if you can't handle 7 games in a day. It's clear both iG and LGD lost (in a heart-breaking fashion) because they have ran out of strats to use and couldn't counter their opponents on a fly. The exertion factor is crucial in every sport.

You can make the argument DK would have ended up the losers if it weren't for the break. Even if both teams knew about it, you can't help but think that if DK did not have the time to recompose themselves, IG would have simply run over DK with a 4-0 sweep.

The Bo7 format didn't make the finals epic to me and even though DK did come back, it did not in anyway produce more exciting games than say a Bo5 would.

First game after the break with Kunnka support pocket strat and last game with Mushi SK vs best Potm in China weren't exciting?

BurNing decided to play high risk, low winrate Viper carry against Pugna death ball in a game which might as well be their last game in the series is nothing to write home about?
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
kblueriver
Profile Joined July 2012
Argentina430 Posts
January 01 2014 20:34 GMT
#28
Best finals so far this year.

Btw, I REALLYYYYYYYYYYYY want to know what Mushi said to the team during the break. Maybe it was mostly LD, Lysander and Winter joking about it, but I'm sure Mushi said something.
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gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
January 01 2014 20:41 GMT
#29
this was seriously a pleasure to watch. so crazy how far 3 hours really can go. i am pretty confident in saying that if this were to have went to 4 games before a break, iG would have swept 4-0 with no need for a break.

really shows the power and enthusiasm a team can get from taking time to breathe and recover.
C r u m b l i n g
Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-01 20:44:53
January 01 2014 20:43 GMT
#30

You can make the argument DK would have ended up the losers if it weren't for the break


The Bo7 format didn't make the finals epic to me and even though DK did come back, it did not in anyway produce more exciting games than say a Bo5 would.

Well then it's good they had a break. Nearly every professional sport that I know of has a break of one form or another, to allow people to rest, recompose if needed, rethink strategies and so on. I fail to see how 4:0 or 3:0 crushing victory could have been more exciting unless you are iG fanboy
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Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4540 Posts
January 01 2014 20:50 GMT
#31
Lol who's the guy that smashes his monitor?
Traceback
Profile Joined October 2010
United States469 Posts
January 01 2014 20:53 GMT
#32
On January 02 2014 04:51 lprk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 04:44 739 wrote:
iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

He wasn't looking too happy after it ended.

Hope everything is ok with him.
fuzzy_panda
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand1681 Posts
January 01 2014 21:07 GMT
#33
Fark I could only watch the first game live...had to do stuff after. Guess I'll have to watch the VODs then. Any especially good game to look out for in the series?
SongByungWewt
Profile Joined October 2013
China593 Posts
January 01 2014 21:08 GMT
#34
On January 02 2014 04:41 konadora wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [aftermath] +
[image loading]


GG


roflmao, oh Lanm, you sexy bitch. Go get that gf back now!! You sure as hell earned this victory.
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
January 01 2014 21:35 GMT
#35
Do we need some spoiler-free titles?
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Proof.
Profile Joined August 2011
535 Posts
January 01 2014 21:45 GMT
#36
What a series to start off the new year!
I stayed up till 4 am waiting for game 7 but it never came
Grats DK!
+ Show Spoiler +
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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
January 01 2014 21:47 GMT
#37
Amazing series!!
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28087 Posts
January 01 2014 21:55 GMT
#38
On January 02 2014 06:35 Laserist wrote:
Do we need some spoiler-free titles?

No we don't. There are spoiler options on TL if you want spoiler free titles. There's a hide spoilers checkbox on the front page of TL under the news boxes.
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evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
January 01 2014 22:04 GMT
#39
On January 02 2014 05:34 kblueriver wrote:
Best finals so far this year.

Btw, I REALLYYYYYYYYYYYY want to know what Mushi said to the team during the break. Maybe it was mostly LD, Lysander and Winter joking about it, but I'm sure Mushi said something.


all I could think of...
[image loading]
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GulpyBlinkeyes
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1449 Posts
January 01 2014 22:07 GMT
#40
On January 02 2014 05:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2014 04:43 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:
On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota.


I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless.

You aren't a pro team if you can't handle 7 games in a day. It's clear both iG and LGD lost (in a heart-breaking fashion) because they have ran out of strats to use and couldn't counter their opponents on a fly. The exertion factor is crucial in every sport, the hardships of challenge make the prize more prestigious, etc.



I do agree that teams need to be able to go the distance, but my personal feeling is that BO5 hits an overall better sweet spot for both the players and the spectators in terms of endurance, quality of games, etc. It's not too much to ask pros to squeeze out that extra ounce of effort to win a big finals, but when a match spans an entire day and requires multiple breaks (some over an hour in length), I don't think any competitor can produce their best play consistently. Similarly, fans love to watch an intense, long series, but if a match starts during the day and you literally have to skip sleep entirely that night in order to watch the whole thing, that just seems excessive. Call me casual if you want, but it just seems like too much on both sides of the booth.

It's similar to SC2, where (as TB noted while organizing the Scarlett vs. Naniwa showmatch) most players, casters, and many fans feel that you hit a point of diminishing returns for everyone in series that are longer than BO7. BO9s, BO11s, etc. seem awesome in concept, but for lots of reasons they usually just don't play out that well in practice.

If more Dota tournaments start running BO7s and do so with a tighter schedule, maybe I'll be convinced that it's viable, but yesterday's games didn't give me a good impression of the format (even though I enjoyed the games themselves).
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