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Team DK wins the WPC Ace League Finals 4-3 over iG, with one of the biggest comebacks we have ever seen
DK emerged victorious last night over iG in the WPC Ace League Finals. These two teams started the 2014 season off with a bang, going the distance in a full bo7 series. iG started the night off going 3-0 with ease, making it seem like they had it in the bag, but after the halfway lunch break DK centered their thoughts and came back in full force. They ended up winning the next 4 games, taking the series in one of the biggest reverse all-kill's we have ever seen in Dota 2. There was a lot on the line as DK will be taking home a massive grand prize of $163,400, while iG will get the 2nd place prize of $49,000.
With this win, DK are officially the first ever champions of a full bo7 Grand Finals in Dota 2, as well as the first champions of 2014. They came into the WPC Ace League with a brand new roster, and no one knew how they were going to do. Their star studded lineup clearly proved that they are one of the best in the scene right now.
Congratulations to DK for winning the WPC Ace League Grand Finals.
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One of the best comebacks I've seen, GO DK
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Best comeback 2014 Best series 2014
GG wp DK
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money in the bank for burning
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i only woke up in time for the end of last game :O crazy shit
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DK! <3
Despite all that iG certainly had a great showing as well.
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That break was weird but well played to both teams. Lanm really played better after the break while YYF seemed to lose a bit of the flair he had in the first 3 games.
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On January 02 2014 03:58 TheEmulator wrote:One of the best comebacks I've seen, GO DK 
I wish I could call it a great comeback, but honestly most all of the games in this series were very lopsided. IG started with gank-centric drafting that took a quick advantage in early game kills and led to easy mid game tower pushes for the win. DK responded after the break by banning a lot more gankers. IG's answer was to draft their typical 5-man push strats or 4+1's and got wrecked like they usually do vs DK.
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These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota.
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OHH SHIT I totally missed this...
VODs available somewhere? BTS perhaps?
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On January 02 2014 04:17 EnumaAvalon wrote: That break was weird but well played to both teams. Lanm really played better after the break while YYF seemed to lose a bit of the flair he had in the first 3 games. Mushi said in prematch interwiev that he is a bit afraid because they tend to play a lot worse in mornings.
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Outstanding reverse all-kill by DK. Loved the final game where they paused when they had won :D
On January 02 2014 04:32 konadora wrote: series of the year imo 2014 still has a lot to offer us before it is over :D
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Thanks thanks!
I've been off with watching Dota 2 tourneys lately (cuz of hearthstone lol), and this is probably the best one to see.
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On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote: These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota.
I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless.
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iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol.
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:O That looked like ti was exciting! You should add the vods to the OP, I almost missed them!
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On January 02 2014 04:44 739 wrote: iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol.
![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc5lM_4CMAAGCM_.jpg) He wasn't looking too happy after it ended.
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Had keys on DK. Stayed up until the three hour break, iG up 3-0, absolutely crushing DK. New year resolution to never bet on dota again. Wake up to DK winning 4-3. welp
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On January 02 2014 04:43 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote: These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota. I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless. You aren't a pro team if you can't handle 7 games in a day. It's clear both iG and LGD lost (in a heart-breaking fashion) because they have ran out of strats to use and couldn't counter their opponents on a fly. The exertion factor is crucial in every sport, the hardships of challenge make the prize more prestigious, etc.
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On January 02 2014 05:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:43 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote: These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota. I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless. You aren't a pro team if you can't handle 7 games in a day. It's clear both iG and LGD lost (in a heart-breaking fashion) because they have ran out of strats to use and couldn't counter their opponents on a fly. The exertion factor is crucial in every sport. You can make the argument DK would have ended up the losers if it weren't for the break. Even if both teams knew about it, you can't help but think that if DK did not have the time to recompose themselves, IG would have simply run over DK with a 4-0 sweep.
The Bo7 format didn't make the finals epic to me and even though DK did come back, it did not in anyway produce more exciting games than say a Bo5 would.
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On January 02 2014 05:09 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 05:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On January 02 2014 04:43 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote: These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota. I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless. You aren't a pro team if you can't handle 7 games in a day. It's clear both iG and LGD lost (in a heart-breaking fashion) because they have ran out of strats to use and couldn't counter their opponents on a fly. The exertion factor is crucial in every sport. You can make the argument DK would have ended up the losers if it weren't for the break. Even if both teams knew about it, you can't help but think that if DK did not have the time to recompose themselves, IG would have simply run over DK with a 4-0 sweep. The Bo7 format didn't make the finals epic to me and even though DK did come back, it did not in anyway produce more exciting games than say a Bo5 would. First game after the break with Kunnka support pocket strat and last game with Mushi SK vs best Potm in China weren't exciting?
BurNing decided to play high risk, low winrate Viper carry against Pugna death ball in a game which might as well be their last game in the series is nothing to write home about?
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Best finals so far this year.
Btw, I REALLYYYYYYYYYYYY want to know what Mushi said to the team during the break. Maybe it was mostly LD, Lysander and Winter joking about it, but I'm sure Mushi said something.
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this was seriously a pleasure to watch. so crazy how far 3 hours really can go. i am pretty confident in saying that if this were to have went to 4 games before a break, iG would have swept 4-0 with no need for a break.
really shows the power and enthusiasm a team can get from taking time to breathe and recover.
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You can make the argument DK would have ended up the losers if it weren't for the break
The Bo7 format didn't make the finals epic to me and even though DK did come back, it did not in anyway produce more exciting games than say a Bo5 would.
Well then it's good they had a break. Nearly every professional sport that I know of has a break of one form or another, to allow people to rest, recompose if needed, rethink strategies and so on. I fail to see how 4:0 or 3:0 crushing victory could have been more exciting unless you are iG fanboy
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Lol who's the guy that smashes his monitor?
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On January 02 2014 04:51 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:44 739 wrote: iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol. + Show Spoiler +He wasn't looking too happy after it ended. Hope everything is ok with him.
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Fark I could only watch the first game live...had to do stuff after. Guess I'll have to watch the VODs then. Any especially good game to look out for in the series?
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roflmao, oh Lanm, you sexy bitch. Go get that gf back now!! You sure as hell earned this victory.
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Do we need some spoiler-free titles?
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What a series to start off the new year! I stayed up till 4 am waiting for game 7 but it never came  Grats DK! + Show Spoiler +hardest rares hardest life seriously.
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On January 02 2014 06:35 Laserist wrote: Do we need some spoiler-free titles? No we don't. There are spoiler options on TL if you want spoiler free titles. There's a hide spoilers checkbox on the front page of TL under the news boxes.
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On January 02 2014 05:34 kblueriver wrote: Best finals so far this year.
Btw, I REALLYYYYYYYYYYYY want to know what Mushi said to the team during the break. Maybe it was mostly LD, Lysander and Winter joking about it, but I'm sure Mushi said something.
all I could think of...
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On January 02 2014 05:03 ForTehDarkseid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:43 GulpyBlinkeyes wrote:On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote: These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota. I don't know, as cool as it was to see DK come back, this seemed more like an argument *against* BO7's. Having a series span an entire day felt like way too much to me. I know there are potentially ways to cut down on some of the lengthy downtime, but I think the whole thing is too grueling regardless. You aren't a pro team if you can't handle 7 games in a day. It's clear both iG and LGD lost (in a heart-breaking fashion) because they have ran out of strats to use and couldn't counter their opponents on a fly. The exertion factor is crucial in every sport, the hardships of challenge make the prize more prestigious, etc.
I do agree that teams need to be able to go the distance, but my personal feeling is that BO5 hits an overall better sweet spot for both the players and the spectators in terms of endurance, quality of games, etc. It's not too much to ask pros to squeeze out that extra ounce of effort to win a big finals, but when a match spans an entire day and requires multiple breaks (some over an hour in length), I don't think any competitor can produce their best play consistently. Similarly, fans love to watch an intense, long series, but if a match starts during the day and you literally have to skip sleep entirely that night in order to watch the whole thing, that just seems excessive. Call me casual if you want, but it just seems like too much on both sides of the booth.
It's similar to SC2, where (as TB noted while organizing the Scarlett vs. Naniwa showmatch) most players, casters, and many fans feel that you hit a point of diminishing returns for everyone in series that are longer than BO7. BO9s, BO11s, etc. seem awesome in concept, but for lots of reasons they usually just don't play out that well in practice.
If more Dota tournaments start running BO7s and do so with a tighter schedule, maybe I'll be convinced that it's viable, but yesterday's games didn't give me a good impression of the format (even though I enjoyed the games themselves).
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On January 02 2014 04:33 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:17 EnumaAvalon wrote: That break was weird but well played to both teams. Lanm really played better after the break while YYF seemed to lose a bit of the flair he had in the first 3 games. Mushi said in prematch interwiev that he is a bit afraid because they tend to play a lot worse in mornings. Oh, wow! Really? I guess it worked out better for DK. So manny what-ifs! >.<
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On January 02 2014 04:51 lprk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:44 739 wrote: iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc5lM_4CMAAGCM_.jpg) He wasn't looking too happy after it ended.
He looks really down, I hope everything's okay with him...
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this comeback, it was so good, first 3 games kills before creep spawns in favor of dk and IG just took it back and won so easily. Such awesome games.
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On January 02 2014 06:55 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 06:35 Laserist wrote: Do we need some spoiler-free titles? No we don't. There are spoiler options on TL if you want spoiler free titles. There's a hide spoilers checkbox on the front page of TL under the news boxes.
I checked the hide spoiler box and still writes "Team DK Wins the WPC Ace League Finals Over iG" It is still a damn big spoiler in my book.
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On January 02 2014 07:28 MrMercuG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 04:51 lprk wrote:On January 02 2014 04:44 739 wrote: iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc5lM_4CMAAGCM_.jpg) He wasn't looking too happy after it ended. He looks really down, I hope everything's okay with him...
Yea, no one even seemed to run to him after the win until the celebrations were almost over. If anyone at TL is listening (HOT_BID!) please, next time you talk to icex3, please ask him why he was so sombre after such a big win.
It's not a complete surprise he's down though... some of the feeds he did and some of the play... he reminds me of LoH back in Na'Vi. Just off in his own world until "WTF LoH raping sh*t". To me, it looks like icex3 is on the outer rims of the team, the 5th player playing by himself while the other 4 are a team. It's a 4+1 but the offlaner is the 1 lol.
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Best series of 2014 so far :p But it was really good. First series i stayed up so late for
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On January 02 2014 07:55 Laserist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 06:55 TheEmulator wrote:On January 02 2014 06:35 Laserist wrote: Do we need some spoiler-free titles? No we don't. There are spoiler options on TL if you want spoiler free titles. There's a hide spoilers checkbox on the front page of TL under the news boxes. I checked the hide spoiler box and still writes "Team DK Wins the WPC Ace League Finals Over iG" It is still a damn big spoiler in my book. It shouldn't be showing the title. It works for me. Did you refresh your page after checking hide spoilers?
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On January 02 2014 04:28 ForTehDarkseid wrote: These series has proved we need (and we will get) more Bo7 finals in dota. one series doesn't prove anything, i can remember the last few bo7 and even bo5 series that ended with the losing team having 0 or 1 game win. Yes this series showed it helps but in reality its a formality or just makes the winning team play a few more games that were unneeded. Not to mention this is dota and not sc2 where games take 45 minutes on average so 2-3 more games can make an event go too long and people leave or if there is more than one game can delay a game that is after it so far it goes into the next day which usually means the other game has to play at like 4 in the morning since events dont usually rent spaces to include mondays
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On January 02 2014 05:50 Laurens wrote: Lol who's the guy that smashes his monitor?
LaNm echo slam
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On January 02 2014 08:26 WetSocks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 05:50 Laurens wrote: Lol who's the guy that smashes his monitor? LaNm echo slam Their prize money was probably dropped from $163,400 to $163,000 to replace that monitor
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On January 02 2014 08:07 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 07:55 Laserist wrote:On January 02 2014 06:55 TheEmulator wrote:On January 02 2014 06:35 Laserist wrote: Do we need some spoiler-free titles? No we don't. There are spoiler options on TL if you want spoiler free titles. There's a hide spoilers checkbox on the front page of TL under the news boxes. I checked the hide spoiler box and still writes "Team DK Wins the WPC Ace League Finals Over iG" It is still a damn big spoiler in my book. It shouldn't be showing the title. It works for me. Did you refresh your page after checking hide spoilers?
I use F5 and ctrl-F5, hide spoilers box is checked and I still can see the title. If seeing the title is being spoiler-free then it is ok...
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On January 02 2014 08:30 Laserist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 08:07 TheEmulator wrote:On January 02 2014 07:55 Laserist wrote:On January 02 2014 06:55 TheEmulator wrote:On January 02 2014 06:35 Laserist wrote: Do we need some spoiler-free titles? No we don't. There are spoiler options on TL if you want spoiler free titles. There's a hide spoilers checkbox on the front page of TL under the news boxes. I checked the hide spoiler box and still writes "Team DK Wins the WPC Ace League Finals Over iG" It is still a damn big spoiler in my book. It shouldn't be showing the title. It works for me. Did you refresh your page after checking hide spoilers? I use F5 and ctrl-F5, hide spoilers box is checked and I still can see the title. If seeing the title is being spoiler-free then it is ok... It works perfect for me + Show Spoiler +
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So I shouldn't surf the forum headers for not getting a spoiler. Zzzzzz
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On January 02 2014 09:11 Laserist wrote: So I shouldn't surf the forum headers for not getting a spoiler. Zzzzzz If you're concerned about getting a spoiler you should check the "Hide Spoilers" option.
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im more shocked iceiceice didn't give a fuck
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What a reverse all-kill by DK!
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On January 02 2014 07:58 MaZza[KIS] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 07:28 MrMercuG wrote:On January 02 2014 04:51 lprk wrote:On January 02 2014 04:44 739 wrote: iceiceice just sits there and doesn't give a fuck, lol. ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bc5lM_4CMAAGCM_.jpg) He wasn't looking too happy after it ended. He looks really down, I hope everything's okay with him... Yea, no one even seemed to run to him after the win until the celebrations were almost over. If anyone at TL is listening (HOT_BID!) please, next time you talk to icex3, please ask him why he was so sombre after such a big win. It's not a complete surprise he's down though... some of the feeds he did and some of the play... he reminds me of LoH back in Na'Vi. Just off in his own world until "WTF LoH raping sh*t". To me, it looks like icex3 is on the outer rims of the team, the 5th player playing by himself while the other 4 are a team. It's a 4+1 but the offlaner is the 1 lol.
I don't think you're reading this correctly at all. Icex3 is constantly used on his team as a space creator. Meaning he operates on his own to apply a lot of pressure to the enemy team so that the rest of his team can push towers or farm up key items. It's the tri-core style not at all 4+1. That's why he plays offlane and powerful heroes like timbersaw/Slark. If he was a pariah on the team, they would not be giving him heroes and roles that important to the team's victory.
The Chinese commentary, which is done by other Chinese pro players, consistently praises Icex3's play and talks about how much he does for the team. I would be very surprised if there is any kind of this internal drama you are suggesting.
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Iceiceice is always such an amazing player. Gratz to DK and iG!
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nooo i spoiled myself, no point in watching the vods now. oh god and what epicness i missed. why am i this stupid
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LANM SLAM DUNK.
Iceiceice probably just trolling everyone as usual.
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http://dota2.replays.net/video/page/20140102/1873431.html
iceiceice seems normal here, busy trolling and interrupting his teammate's replies to give even more troll answers. I think iceiceice seems like the kind of person who wouldn't be too happy if his play wasn't as good as he think it should be, and it can also be seen from his stream. While it may have been a reverse 4-3 sweep, he probably felt that the championship wasn't won under exactly the most glorious circumstances.
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lanm should just buy the monitor and keep it as a personal trophy lol
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Someone should shop lanm with a totem and echo slam effects
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It's really sad to watch iG implode from game 4 but it was well played by DK, I just wish iG put up much more of a fight in games 4-7 regardless of whether they lost in a reverse or not. Hopefully they would've learnt a few lessons from this and won't let such a lead slip again in the future.
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iG =( DK =D
I enjoyed the games regardless of who won. I especially enjoyed watching the first game, sleeping and waking to find that only 3 games have been played so far.
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Meh, congrats to DK but until they win an international they are not the best.
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So happy for DK ^________^ <333
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On January 02 2014 14:43 haduken wrote: Meh, congrats to DK but until they win an international they are not the best.
meh?? some peeps are hard to please. With that logic, you could say until TI4 is over, [A] is the best no matter how they or other teams perform till then :p
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Game 6 was the most boring game of the entire series. It was like watching paint dry..
Also, needing one more game to victory, why did iG give OD to DK? The throw..
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Amazing finals, great energy from DK after winning too ! :D
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On January 02 2014 14:43 haduken wrote: Meh, congrats to DK but until they win an international they are not the best. Why are they even considered to be part of the best teams ? in Dota 2 they just won their first tournament
good team, but people make them to be better than what they actally are (at least when it comes to achievements)
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I like Bo7, with a half-time break after game 3. They just have to lessen the break time; maybe 15min between each game, and 1 hour (or 90min) lunch break for half-time. That is still potentially an 8 hour day finals, so hopefully more teams will try for strategies to win in under 40min.
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Best final series of all time ? It was fucking AWESOME, I think everybody enjoyed it.
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On January 02 2014 20:46 BlitzerSC wrote: Best final series of all time ? It was fucking AWESOME, I think everybody enjoyed it.
Best comeback maybe but the last 4 games were stomps. Best Lanm Slam tho!
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On January 02 2014 21:15 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 20:46 BlitzerSC wrote: Best final series of all time ? It was fucking AWESOME, I think everybody enjoyed it. Best comeback maybe but the last 4 games were stomps. Best Lanm Slam tho!
Every game was a stomp except game 1. A few mistakes in the mid game just seemed to snowball out of control.
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On January 02 2014 20:23 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 14:43 haduken wrote: Meh, congrats to DK but until they win an international they are not the best. Why are they even considered to be part of the best teams ? in Dota 2 they just won their first tournament good team, but people make them to be better than what they actally are (at least when it comes to achievements)
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They don't have achievements together but every player on the team has a shitload of individual achievements (LaNm & MMY TI1 runner up, iceiceice & Mushi solomid champ and runner-up at TI3, BurNIng best carry in Universe, etc.), they beat TI3 first and second place teams at MLG, and just won the largest prize pool tournament outside of The International that Dota2 has ever had.
Honest question, what would this roster of DK have to do to be considered "part of the best teams" to you?
On January 02 2014 20:35 Elurie wrote: I like Bo7, with a half-time break after game 3. They just have to lessen the break time; maybe 15min between each game, and 1 hour (or 90min) lunch break for half-time. That is still potentially an 8 hour day finals, so hopefully more teams will try for strategies to win in under 40min.
As a DK fan I think a break after game 4 would be more fair to both teams, I don't think the break was the only reason DK won but I think with the momentum iG had built up during the first 3 games the 4th game would have be a lot harder to win if it was played immediately after.
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On January 02 2014 20:23 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 14:43 haduken wrote: Meh, congrats to DK but until they win an international they are not the best. Why are they even considered to be part of the best teams ? in Dota 2 they just won their first tournament good team, but people make them to be better than what they actally are (at least when it comes to achievements)
Producing results does not make a team good, skill does. Winning tournaments is a byproduct of skill, and it's hard to argue that DK doesn't have that.
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Dat comeback man. Clearly food makes you better at dota!
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On January 02 2014 20:23 Faruko wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 14:43 haduken wrote: Meh, congrats to DK but until they win an international they are not the best. Why are they even considered to be part of the best teams ? in Dota 2 they just won their first tournament good team, but people make them to be better than what they actally are (at least when it comes to achievements) wtf dk are clearly among the best atm
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On January 02 2014 20:23 Faruko wrote:
good team, but people make them to be better than what they actally are (at least when it comes to achievements) What? 2nd place mlg(heavily stacked), Fengyun though low prizepool still had all the t1 chinese teams participating, WPC ACE winner, guaranteed g-league 2nd place and can win 1st. They where the ones who where supposed to go to ems beating t1 chinese teams but weren't able to so vg went in their place. those are not enough achievements to please you?
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Not the best series but the best storyline for sure. Grats to DK, first champions of 2014!
Did anyone else feel sad about the super-solid-no-dick-around Mushi? The Mushi of old would have gotten that Rapier...
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omigawa is right, they might not have had THAT many achievements as a team yet, but as individuals they have tons, EVEN if you don't count their dota 1 achievements. and they've only banded together a few months back.
and like zealously said, you count them amongst the best teams because they are playing like they are amongst the best, if not THE best atm.
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On January 02 2014 23:20 PotatoFury wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2014 20:23 Faruko wrote:
good team, but people make them to be better than what they actally are (at least when it comes to achievements) What? 2nd place mlg(heavily stacked), Fengyun though low prizepool still had all the t1 chinese teams participating, WPC ACE winner, guaranteed g-league 2nd place and can win 1st. They where the ones who where supposed to go to ems beating t1 chinese teams but weren't able to so vg went in their place. those are not enough achievements to please you? They actually dominated MLG too and were the clear favorites in the finals. Speed just pulled off the upset. The fact that it was an upset proves that DK is one of the best teams in the world.
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