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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
January 09 2013 05:02 GMT
#141
i think i added you, but i don't see you on my friend list
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
January 09 2013 05:17 GMT
#142
On January 09 2013 14:02 rei wrote:
i think i added you, but i don't see you on my friend list


Don't think u added me. I play on Americas server as ChoseN#1176

ChosenBrad1322 on skype
Sindriss
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark263 Posts
January 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#143
wow, i have always been so unlucky with drops in diablo.

But yesterday I found a zunimassa marrow - bad stats but still worth 80 mio.

And tonight I found a mempos with max dex - 120-140 mio lol
ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
January 10 2013 05:09 GMT
#144
Good enough to farm act 3? I'm scared to go try since its hardcore... Don't wanna roll out and get poon'd by some elite pack.

http://i.imgur.com/5okwV.jpg
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
January 10 2013 14:15 GMT
#145
On January 10 2013 14:09 ChosenSC2 wrote:
Good enough to farm act 3? I'm scared to go try since its hardcore... Don't wanna roll out and get poon'd by some elite pack.

http://i.imgur.com/5okwV.jpg


Looks fine to me. If you're worried about elites though just take a careful look at the affixes before you charge in to anything. Should be fine with those stats unless you let yourself get jailed into arcane or some similar bollox.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-10 14:29:36
January 10 2013 14:25 GMT
#146
On January 10 2013 14:09 ChosenSC2 wrote:
Good enough to farm act 3? I'm scared to go try since its hardcore... Don't wanna roll out and get poon'd by some elite pack.

http://i.imgur.com/5okwV.jpg

Easily. Your damage is huge compared to your AR though - many WDs farm with ~40k dps, and I know a guy who has 600 mil in the bank but just farms in max mf 50k dps gear easily.

Also, assuming that's a non-crit mempo - very bad choice for a WD - you want as little attack speed as possible, so you are more mana-efficient with bears.

You should also get some LoH and run Rain of Toads - the proc coefficient is disgustingly massive and it will keep your hp up. Rain of Toads + Zombie Bears should be your go-to attack skills, then 2x pets + spirit walk + soul harvest. Passives should be spirit vessel, jungle fortitude, and most likely gruesome feast (although if you have 0 pickup you can go with something else).

Basically, you overdid it on the damage and skimped on AR / LoH. You can easily farm A3 fairly fast with a 50k dps WD - WD's buffs + zombie bears melt things very quick even with low base dps. Your biggest weakness is definitely the loh though.
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Sindriss
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark263 Posts
January 10 2013 21:19 GMT
#147
Can someone explain how items with e.g. +8% holy damage works?
ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
January 11 2013 03:44 GMT
#148
On January 10 2013 23:25 Pokebunny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2013 14:09 ChosenSC2 wrote:
Good enough to farm act 3? I'm scared to go try since its hardcore... Don't wanna roll out and get poon'd by some elite pack.

http://i.imgur.com/5okwV.jpg

Easily. Your damage is huge compared to your AR though - many WDs farm with ~40k dps, and I know a guy who has 600 mil in the bank but just farms in max mf 50k dps gear easily.

Also, assuming that's a non-crit mempo - very bad choice for a WD - you want as little attack speed as possible, so you are more mana-efficient with bears.

You should also get some LoH and run Rain of Toads - the proc coefficient is disgustingly massive and it will keep your hp up. Rain of Toads + Zombie Bears should be your go-to attack skills, then 2x pets + spirit walk + soul harvest. Passives should be spirit vessel, jungle fortitude, and most likely gruesome feast (although if you have 0 pickup you can go with something else).

Basically, you overdid it on the damage and skimped on AR / LoH. You can easily farm A3 fairly fast with a 50k dps WD - WD's buffs + zombie bears melt things very quick even with low base dps. Your biggest weakness is definitely the loh though.


I always thought it would be better to use Acid because its safer, I have to get close to use bears / toads
Samba
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany452 Posts
January 11 2013 05:01 GMT
#149
On January 11 2013 06:19 Sindriss wrote:
Can someone explain how items with e.g. +8% holy damage works?


+ elementdmg gets counted for all black (non-element) damage on all you items.
If you have a weapon that has e.g. lightning-damage, it doesn´t count for that particular damage. So a black weapon is always what you wanna use if you wanna get the most out of the +elementdmg.
It also counts for all average damage you got on rings or amulets.
It makes a huge difference.
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Sindriss
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark263 Posts
January 11 2013 14:25 GMT
#150
Thanks for the explanation! How huge a difference are we talking? Is it critical with regards to reaching decent dps?

nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
January 11 2013 14:27 GMT
#151
Does anybody know how much HP the Butcher has on Inferno mp0? (or even better, a list with all bosses' HP somewhere??)
I think maybe my barb can take him on but I don't want to risk too much, and I don't have a SC character to take a look myself
frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
January 11 2013 16:05 GMT
#152
I gave up on this (shitty) game half a year ago but decided to try hardcore. With Hardcore this game is actually fun!

They should scrap softcore!
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
January 11 2013 16:09 GMT
#153
On January 12 2013 01:05 frontliner2 wrote:
I gave up on this (shitty) game half a year ago but decided to try hardcore. With Hardcore this game is actually fun!

They should scrap softcore!



It's the way it's supposed to be played

Have fun and stay safe (and don't play drunk!)
Look a giraffe! Look a fist!!
SepH_TL
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom16 Posts
January 11 2013 19:34 GMT
#154
[/QUOTE]
It's the way it's supposed to be played

Have fun and stay safe (and don't play drunk!)[/QUOTE]

Truer words never spoken. Literally just lost my DH because i played after coming back from the pub. I didnt think i would make it past Nightmare and he ended up clearing HC inferno. Died to fallen manics in Act 3 farm.

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/SepH-1101/

RIP Terminus.

Maybe going to start a self found only DH again... add me on EU servers if up for a new char tonight. Challenge is to not use AH.

SepH#1101
ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
January 11 2013 21:37 GMT
#155
On January 11 2013 23:27 nRoot wrote:
Does anybody know how much HP the Butcher has on Inferno mp0? (or even better, a list with all bosses' HP somewhere??)
I think maybe my barb can take him on but I don't want to risk too much, and I don't have a SC character to take a look myself


For bosses you feel a little sketchy about maybe have a friend fight them the first time with you so you can get a feel for it. I can smash Butcher in Inferno in less than 5 seconds. I'd be willing to play him with you so you can see how it goes. Add ChoseN#1176 (Americas Server)
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
January 11 2013 22:58 GMT
#156
Hi, thanks for your kind offer, sadly I play on EU
I'll ask around some
ChosenBrad1322
Profile Joined April 2012
United States562 Posts
January 12 2013 00:53 GMT
#157
There isn't currently a thread for the D3 Hardcore community that continually updates the OP and sorts everything for people who want to trade / farm / level together. So I decided why not start one up.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392848
Sindriss
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark263 Posts
January 12 2013 10:14 GMT
#158
nroot, I can help you with butcher easily. I am farming mp1 act 3 currently, so it should be good.
McNulty
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway184 Posts
January 13 2013 20:03 GMT
#159
Hey HC pros!

Currently playing a WD in hardore, lvl 54 atm, self found items only. Was wondering if someone can recommend a good build up level 60, WITH THE ITEMS I HAVE ATM. (Will consider AH when I'm 60 or done with Inferno.)

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/McNulty-2847/hero/24214673

Been using Dire Bats (220% dmg 40 yards) ever since I got them, but they are annoyingly slow... Just hit lvl 54 and tried Zombie Bears, but they deplete my mana soooo fast, and they don't even pass through mobs. Also, whats considered to be the best primary attack? Using Fire bomb atm (110% dmg x 3).

Is there some skills I should switch out for more mana regen and go with bears?

PS: Posted same in WD thread, but don't know how many there play HC.
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