unkkz great thread here was a great inspiration for me to start playing hardcore, but it's a bit outdated, so I thought I'd make a bit of an updated beginner's guide to hardcore and why it might appeal to you as a softcore player. I was a longtime softcore player, had a paragon 50 DH and paragon 43 barb, made 25 hellfire rings, etc etc... but I simply got bored of getting nothing to sell and started hardcore, three weeks later I have never looked back. Some of the reasons to play hardcore are still the same, so I'll reiterate them and edit in new ones as well.
#1 - The economy. Probably the #1 reason to me. I have gear worth 250m+ and 50m in the bank at paragon 39 having never run MF gear or anything. The economy is much fresher because everyone is dying and making new characters, as long as you have the right combinations, there is always a demand for mediocre mid-level gear as everyone is dying and making new characters all the time. Most of my money is made off sales in the 1-5m range, and it's easy for someone to start and just make a few million gold with some starter a3 mp0 gear (you'll have 30k dps which may feel slow coming from softcore, but the amount of stuff that is worth selling makes a huge difference). There also is not always the availability of godly gear, not every high end character looks the same because there might not exist more than one 6% crit mempo on the server, and the highest dps char has something like 260k dps unbuffed.
#2 - Character progression and accomplishment It's a great feeling to hit 60 for the first time, and if you still enjoy leveling, I definitely recommend leveling it yourself for the first time. If you don't, I'm willing to powerlevel a group of TLers with my archon wizard. Even past level 60, every paragon is one level you didn't die, one piece of gear that you worked for. There is a much bigger feeling of accomplishment.
#3 - The community and playing for the journey This one is hard to understand til you've really played hardcore, but you come to appreciate the game and the people around you much more by playing hardcore, rather than your gear and the number of gold you have. I regularly see hardcore players donating eachother gold and items found in their farming when they know they'll help out their friends - everyone will die in the end anyway, so you just have to enjoy sharing the game experience with everyone around you. If I find a strength crit mempo, my first thought is no longer "omg I'm so rich now!", it's "maybe my barb buddy could use this!" Coming from softcore you might have a much bigger attachment to your own stuff, but if you let that go, you'll just have a much more relaxed communal experience.
#4 - A new challenge, something fresh to try If you're like me and played softcore for months on end, you eventually wonder why you're still playing and what else there is to accomplish. HC can be a new challenge, a chance to try a new class, a new playstyle, and make new friends. This alone was enough to get me to try HC.
HC isn't for everyone. You will inevitably die (even if you have godly gear you'll disconnect someday) and that is a fact you must accept. It is a challenge that requires patience and careful attention. On the flip side, it feels a lot more rewarding and satisfying.
Again, I'd be willing to powerlevel any TLers who just want a fast level 60 in hardcore, but I think it's definitely worth the experience to level the first time. (Either way, if you wanna play HC, add/msg me Pokebunny#1967!)
Alright Pokebunny, you've convinced me... now what class should I pick? It depends on what you want. Common choices include: - The class you play in softcore, because you know it best: If you really like your softcore character, go for it, but I personally recommend against this. You'll have the chance to try out everything when you die, so you might as well go with something new! - What you think will be the "best" class (usually barb): only if you really want to. People have a common misconception that hardcore is just about being really tanky and snoring everything to death, but current inferno is honestly not that difficult and you have some room to try some cool stuff. I recommend just trying a class you always thought looked cool.
A general rundown of the classes, from "best" to "worst": #1 - Witch Doctor. Softcore players are almost always surprised when I say this, and honestly it doesn't make total sense to me, but it is indeed true. Witch Doctors have the lowest gear requirement for progression, as pets and careful play can keep you safe even with fairly low AR, and you don't get hit all that much. You also have spirit vessel. Once you have decent defenses, you can play aggressive and farm very fast even with 40-50k DPS (trust me, I've seen it a lot) using spirit walk / grave injustice / bears or acid cloud. Overall witch doctor is the easiest starter class. #2 - Barbarian. Probably what people expected to be #1 is still a powerhouse in HC. WW is viable at decent gear levels for speed farming, and the vast availability of defensive skills and especially sustain make barb a great choice. Revenge and rend: bloodlust are excellent at both dealing damage and keeping you alive, war cry is great for party survivability, and WotB is a great emergency button against those scary frozen packs. #3 - Monk. Similar to barb except with slightly less solid defense, monks need a bit more sustain and defense innately, but OWE also makes gearing substantially easier for an inferno starter character. #4 - Wizard. With Diamond Skin, Prismatic Armor, and Teleport, Wizards can hold their own defensively, but they don't really have any great farming builds until you have gear good enough to safely do archon and you have to play really carefully until then. Overall, expect a long period of feeling like your character kinda sucks when you play wizard. #5 - Demon Hunter. A bit better now with boar, perfectionist, and nice sentries, DH is still the most difficult to start with in HC. Similar to wizard in the sense that they do have some decent defensive skills but they do need to play very carefully, the biggest difference from wiz is that DH has no new great build once you get good enough gear like archon or CM for wizards. Still, it is a fun class and you'll always be on your toes.
Gear Always start with too much defense, and progress to gain damage as you feel more comfortable with your character. Softcore players are always tempted to cut defensive corners and like to complain about having 30k DPS, but trust me, you want a good handle on your character and make sure you know what you're doing before you drop defense. Melee classes start with shields. Inferno is now easy enough that ranged classes can use their respective offhands.
... Okay, basically I've now realized I'm repeating a lot of unkkz thread, so feel free to ask me questions
a2 - wasp things if you're melee. also one of the kulle chambers has fallen maniacs a3 - keeps 2 fallen maniacs (especially when they hide behind doors and the glow doesn't show up). phase beasts are also sort of a bitch depending on the affixes they roll a4 - keywarden and armadons
when i was beating inferno on my barb, those were pretty much the only areas i was extra cautious. lost my first 60 barb to molten/extra health/teleport/vortex (srsly, wtf is that) phase beasts 'cause i got greedy and progressed forward without wotb. no escaping from that
On December 15 2012 16:26 wooozy wrote: a2 - wasp things if you're melee. also one of the kulle chambers has fallen maniacs a3 - keeps 2 fallen maniacs (especially when they hide behind doors and the glow doesn't show up). phase beasts are also sort of a bitch depending on the affixes they roll a4 - keywarden and armadons
when i was beating inferno on my barb, those were pretty much the only areas i was extra cautious. lost my first 60 barb to molten/extra health/teleport/vortex (srsly, wtf is that) phase beasts 'cause i got greedy and progressed forward without wotb. no escaping from that
edit: i was also too caught up in the moment dumb to just leap forward and jump in the portal LOL. pausing to analyze a situation is for chumps
to add to the list: a1: cathedral level 1, right after adria's hut, after you drop down, there is no way back up. If you bump into an elite pack it's either them or you. a2: stinging winds, the black rock ledger ship spawns banelings. One of my friends forgot about this and learned the hard way XD
I started SC but only finished it on normal and realized HC would be more fun I never regret that! But unfortunately I died on lvl 42/50/52/56/58 because of some dumb mistakes ... At least not because of lag Next try is first time sorc letss see how its going :D I think everyone should try out HC! If u wanna play EU with me add me: keltor#2903
One of my RL friends is TradeWind, atm he is lvl 98 paragon Wizard, like 2nd wiz world at that level and he told me to start playing HC but I wont ever touch it simply because the internet in my country is crap and get too many disconnects. I will probably end dying in a disc.
Think I might try out HC this Xmas break, my interest definitely went down after beating the campaign the 1st time on normal. Re-rolled 3 different characters and beat it, still not overly enthralled with the game. Hopefully switching to a mode where my character's life is on the line could re-instill my interest in the franchise.
On December 15 2012 16:09 Sindriss wrote: Any particular areas or mobs that you should be especially wary of?
A2 keywarden for ranged classes, A4 keywarden for melee classes Just skip keep 2 in inferno unless you can shoot through every doorway before you break it Be careful in confined spaces (i.e a waller arcane pack in the bridge stores can be really dangerous)
On December 15 2012 22:49 ffswowsucks wrote: One of my RL friends is TradeWind, atm he is lvl 98 paragon Wizard, like 2nd wiz world at that level and he told me to start playing HC but I wont ever touch it simply because the internet in my country is crap and get too many disconnects. I will probably end dying in a disc.
Oh wow ya Tradewind's stuff is crazy good, I'm a wizard myself so I've checked out his and Diamond's (character name YOLO on dprog) characters quite a few times.
I've started a selffound mp10 hardcore challenge with a friend and it's soo fun. We're taking it super slow and we're just like lvl ~30 or something but as soon as we hit nightmare it's probably gonna be really really tough.
I'm playing a barb and he's playing a wizard, anyone has any advice on what kind of gear should I focus? I'm always in doubt if I should prioritize dps over hp due to how tough mobs are, in some way more dps = more survival(kill them before they kill you!)
Anyways, great thread. I hope we get challenges like PoE has. Something like weekly/monthly tournaments where the point is to get to the highest level in hardcore or something. Diablo 3 really lacks in this :[
I don't think DH is the hardest class in HC. I've got a para 26 DH and para 9 or 10 monk, and I've come closer to dying on my monk. Being at range all the time is much easier to play in my opinion. Saying that though, I think getting to 60 as a DH is pretty hard compared to other classes I've played.
On December 16 2012 02:07 Andr3 wrote: I'm always in doubt if I should prioritize dps over hp due to how tough mobs are, in some way more dps = more survival(kill them before they kill you!)
In my opinion, you can never go wrong with more EHP.
As you can see, I have ridiculously low dps for someone in inferno (Less than 3k, you serious brah?). Even though fights (especially with elites) take ages, I'm close to unkillable. With 54k life and high life regen (~1.6k per second w/ all buffs + skills), I'm not getting anywhere close to dying. I can kite dual elite packs for 15 minutes without dying no problem at all. Of course, once the enrage timers get into play you won't be able to progress before upgrading your dps, but even then you should be on the safe side. It is HC after all..
So, in my opinion never prioritize dps, but if your EHP is already far more than enough and you can get a nice dps boost by only taking a little hit to your EHP, it may be worth it. (For example, I certainly wouldn't mind dropping a few thousand hp for multiplying my dps.. haha.)
WD is at level 37 now and will hopefully be my first level 60 HC-char. Works surprisingly well until now and I even feel pretty safe with spirit walk and spirit vessel.
if they ever change the fact that your character stays in the game if you have a dc, while alt+f4 breaks the connection immediately, i will think about it again. And get used to pressing alt+f4 when i'm waiting for the server to react.
but i tried it and yes, it's pretty interesting, because knowing that death is punishment makes the game really more tense. Just dont play a glass cannon.
On December 16 2012 02:07 Andr3 wrote: I've started a selffound mp10 hardcore challenge with a friend and it's soo fun. We're taking it super slow and we're just like lvl ~30 or something but as soon as we hit nightmare it's probably gonna be really really tough.
I'm playing a barb and he's playing a wizard, anyone has any advice on what kind of gear should I focus? I'm always in doubt if I should prioritize dps over hp due to how tough mobs are, in some way more dps = more survival(kill them before they kill you!)
Anyways, great thread. I hope we get challenges like PoE has. Something like weekly/monthly tournaments where the point is to get to the highest level in hardcore or something. Diablo 3 really lacks in this :[
As the melee-char always more ehp, you will take a lot of damage. Probably as a hc-char in general always more ehp. At a certain point switching to more lifeleech and more damage will surely become viable, yet expensive.
On December 16 2012 17:47 haffy wrote: I don't think DH is the hardest class in HC. I've got a para 26 DH and para 9 or 10 monk, and I've come closer to dying on my monk. Being at range all the time is much easier to play in my opinion. Saying that though, I think getting to 60 as a DH is pretty hard compared to other classes I've played.
I haven't personally played DH, but I've played wiz and seen some DHs. You have to pay much more attention / be more aware... also DH has no way to get out of wallers except leech/smokescreen and pray they live long enough. Basically, with DH you have to be very situationally aware and have fast reactions because you can go down very quickly.
I'd say: don't play HC. It's bad enough if you die and it's your fault 'cause you fucked up or wanted to rush through the act or whatever. But if you die random 'cause the game or your connection crashes and you can't do anything about it? Totally different story.
On December 16 2012 17:47 haffy wrote: I don't think DH is the hardest class in HC. I've got a para 26 DH and para 9 or 10 monk, and I've come closer to dying on my monk. Being at range all the time is much easier to play in my opinion. Saying that though, I think getting to 60 as a DH is pretty hard compared to other classes I've played.
I haven't personally played DH, but I've played wiz and seen some DHs. You have to pay much more attention / be more aware... also DH has no way to get out of wallers except leech/smokescreen and pray they live long enough. Basically, with DH you have to be very situationally aware and have fast reactions because you can go down very quickly.
I can agree with both these sentiments. On my Demon Hunter (paragon 11), I feel like I needed to learn exactly what kinds of things were dangerous, and it's not something you can easily describe. I'm at a point where my EHP means nothing's going to kill me "just" by hitting me, but every elite pack, I have to pay attention and evaluate if there's something bad that *could* happen given the affix combination I'm facing. Usually it amounts to something like 2 CC affixes (Waller/Jailer, Frozen/Knockback etc.) and 2 big DPS affixes, along with some kind of a stronger than average base mob. You can go hours of playtime not facing a pack like that, but when it comes along you have to recognize very quickly that it's more dangerous than the dozens (or hundreds, or thousands!) of other elite packs you've fought.
Of course, before you're 60 and stacking AR/Vit/Life% etc, a whole lot of careless mistakes can kill you. I wouldn't go past level 25 at the highest without switching to a shield personally, and you have to be somewhat disciplined about always keeping your spec defensively focused. The thing I really learned the hard way is that the danger of a situation can escalate very, very quickly, so the moment you're in a situation where you're being reduced even below half HP, you should probably re-evaluate and step down the MP, buy/farm some upgrades, or just take a break for a bit. Continuing on out of those kinds of situations might be safe 90% of the time, but all it takes is one death.
On December 17 2012 02:41 lordvnm wrote: I'd say: don't play HC. It's bad enough if you die and it's your fault 'cause you fucked up or wanted to rush through the act or whatever. But if you die random 'cause the game or your connection crashes and you can't do anything about it? Totally different story.
That is your opinion and some people find the risk worth it, it certainly has made diablo much more fun to me even though I lost my wizard at paragon 20 right after I got the gear for CM spec to a disconnect!
On December 17 2012 02:41 lordvnm wrote: I'd say: don't play HC. It's bad enough if you die and it's your fault 'cause you fucked up or wanted to rush through the act or whatever. But if you die random 'cause the game or your connection crashes and you can't do anything about it? Totally different story.
That is your opinion and some people find the risk worth it, it certainly has made diablo much more fun to me even though I lost my wizard at paragon 20 right after I got the gear for CM spec to a disconnect!
HC itself makes it more fun indeed. But the way you said it, it sounds like disconnects and the fact that you can randomly lose your char without any fault should be part of HC mode. I find that hard to accept; although it's nice for you, 'cause you won't rage as hard as I would in that case :>
On December 17 2012 02:41 lordvnm wrote: I'd say: don't play HC. It's bad enough if you die and it's your fault 'cause you fucked up or wanted to rush through the act or whatever. But if you die random 'cause the game or your connection crashes and you can't do anything about it? Totally different story.
That is your opinion and some people find the risk worth it, it certainly has made diablo much more fun to me even though I lost my wizard at paragon 20 right after I got the gear for CM spec to a disconnect!
HC itself makes it more fun indeed. But the way you said it, it sounds like disconnects and the fact that you can randomly lose your char without any fault should be part of HC mode. I find that hard to accept; although it's nice for you, 'cause you won't rage as hard as I would in that case :>
By the way: WD level 46 and still alive. yay.
Well, you simply have to accept that every one of your characters will eventually die if you play it enough. If that makes it impossible for you to enjoy the game then HC might not be for you.
On December 17 2012 05:20 KalWarkov wrote: should u play lower difficulties on MP1 or MP2, or isnt it worth it?
Honestly if you have some gold/gear from previous characters, you can afford to go through normal on just about any MP, and it is absolutely worth it. You will end up outlevelling the intended zones by a good margin, which translates to even higher level gear. To an extent, you end up levelling at about the same speed at a certain point, where the bonus XP just makes up for the loss of XP from being in lower level zones, but at that point, you're fighting mobs with more HP and less damage than the ones you'd normally be fighting - if you'd gone MP 0 the whole way. And we all know what less damage means!
On December 17 2012 02:41 lordvnm wrote: I'd say: don't play HC. It's bad enough if you die and it's your fault 'cause you fucked up or wanted to rush through the act or whatever. But if you die random 'cause the game or your connection crashes and you can't do anything about it? Totally different story.
That is your opinion and some people find the risk worth it, it certainly has made diablo much more fun to me even though I lost my wizard at paragon 20 right after I got the gear for CM spec to a disconnect!
I'd agree with the "don't play HC" guy. My regular char is a paragon 72 monk - which means I played this game too much obviously (and still it ain't enough) - but at this point, even though you can still see your char progressing in stats and gear thanks to some lucky legendaries dropping, the game's lvling is going pretty slow. Last week I played HC for the first time for a change, just going for the challenge of it all and also for the achievements (level 60, defeat diablo in inferno, etc). I spent 2 days leveling up to about to lvl 40 or some and blizzard decided I should disconnect and die. I went to Blizz forums and (I should have done before) read that there's nothing you can do about this, mail them all you want, they seem not to care about it, once you're dead, you're dead. I understand they do this to avoid having guys unplugging when they're about to die, and start afresh....anyone with a genuine disconnect gone bad pay for their behaviour. It's not so much about the time I've lost (one could argue gaming always is), but I can't play with the peeps I was playing with anymore (unless they restart a character with me), and the idea that I could spend 5-6 days to reach lvl 59 or be about to fight diablo in inferno when blizz hits me with another random disconnect is a final no-go for me right now. Thank god I'm a calm person because it'd upset me bad. It's sad because HC makes the game quite fun and very different from the normal gameplay, but those random disconnects make it all pointless. The day they fix it, I'll get back to it. I got a pretty stable internet (no other game ever dropped in the past 12 months), so I don't know what went wrong, but whatever it is, there should be solutions around that kind of problems. Just my two cents, if losing it all doesn't matter to you, and you just enjoy the "challenge" and don't care about leveling and achievements etc, then playing it hardcore is probably the funniest way to play the game (some argue that real hardcore is playing without ever using the auction house, which probably makes it much much harder and stressing, I might try it someday too, and pray no banelings hide behind dungeon corners)
On December 17 2012 02:41 lordvnm wrote: I'd say: don't play HC. It's bad enough if you die and it's your fault 'cause you fucked up or wanted to rush through the act or whatever. But if you die random 'cause the game or your connection crashes and you can't do anything about it? Totally different story.
That is your opinion and some people find the risk worth it, it certainly has made diablo much more fun to me even though I lost my wizard at paragon 20 right after I got the gear for CM spec to a disconnect!
HC itself makes it more fun indeed. But the way you said it, it sounds like disconnects and the fact that you can randomly lose your char without any fault should be part of HC mode. I find that hard to accept; although it's nice for you, 'cause you won't rage as hard as I would in that case :>
By the way: WD level 46 and still alive. yay.
Well, you simply have to accept that every one of your characters will eventually die if you play it enough. If that makes it impossible for you to enjoy the game then HC might not be for you.
That wasn't the point and quite apart from that I very well accept that fact and I do enjoy playing HC. I just think that OFCORPSE shouldn't ignore the fact, that his char can die without a chance if he can't fix his connection, no matter what class he chooses. That's basically what you told him a few posts earlier. So let's just leave it at that.
I play exclusively alone and I did MP5 up until Hell. In Hell, I played at MP3 and finished it that way. Inferno, obviously you have to start from MP0.
I was pretty safe all the time. Obviously I always keep some defensive skills for the "oh shit" moments, even in Normal.
Well, that blows. I just lost a 60(13) DH to the fire grates in the Keep, and I'm 90% sure I was victim of lag. I was at full health and stepped onto the grate for just a second and my HP went from full to none in a second, even though I had time to press Smoke Screen in between ticks.
Just a few seconds earlier, I was on fiery grates but took no damage, which I thought meant I hit the flames on the last frame, or somesuch. It's too bad too, the DH was a nice vacation from the Barbarian. I'm a bit miffed about losing two Perfect Star Emeralds.
P.S.: if there's a good soul with a bit of time to kill who's willing to give me a boost with the next DH, my battletag is frd#2904 (EUHC).
On December 18 2012 21:20 frd wrote: Well, that blows. I just lost a 60(13) DH to the fire grates in the Keep, and I'm 90% sure I was victim of lag. I was at full health and stepped onto the grate for just a second and my HP went from full to none in a second, even though I had time to press Smoke Screen in between ticks.
Just a few seconds earlier, I was on fiery grates but took no damage, which I thought meant I hit the flames on the last frame, or somesuch. It's too bad too, the DH was a nice vacation from the Barbarian. I'm a bit miffed about losing two Perfect Star Emeralds.
P.S.: if there's a good soul with a bit of time to kill who's willing to give me a boost with the next DH, my battletag is frd#2904 (EUHC).
isnt the joy of HC the progression? boosting in HC seems so senseless to me :/
On December 18 2012 21:20 frd wrote: Well, that blows. I just lost a 60(13) DH to the fire grates in the Keep, and I'm 90% sure I was victim of lag. I was at full health and stepped onto the grate for just a second and my HP went from full to none in a second, even though I had time to press Smoke Screen in between ticks.
Just a few seconds earlier, I was on fiery grates but took no damage, which I thought meant I hit the flames on the last frame, or somesuch. It's too bad too, the DH was a nice vacation from the Barbarian. I'm a bit miffed about losing two Perfect Star Emeralds.
P.S.: if there's a good soul with a bit of time to kill who's willing to give me a boost with the next DH, my battletag is frd#2904 (EUHC).
isnt the joy of HC the progression? boosting in HC seems so senseless to me :/
Well, for me, the game starts at 60 (and it's not like I wonder if I can make it to 60 at this point). Everything before it is just tedium.
On December 18 2012 21:20 frd wrote: Well, that blows. I just lost a 60(13) DH to the fire grates in the Keep, and I'm 90% sure I was victim of lag. I was at full health and stepped onto the grate for just a second and my HP went from full to none in a second, even though I had time to press Smoke Screen in between ticks.
Just a few seconds earlier, I was on fiery grates but took no damage, which I thought meant I hit the flames on the last frame, or somesuch. It's too bad too, the DH was a nice vacation from the Barbarian. I'm a bit miffed about losing two Perfect Star Emeralds.
P.S.: if there's a good soul with a bit of time to kill who's willing to give me a boost with the next DH, my battletag is frd#2904 (EUHC).
isnt the joy of HC the progression? boosting in HC seems so senseless to me :/
For me, I level each class legitimately once, and then powerlevel any char back that dies at 60.
Also, running over fire grates for any reason ever is stupid lol.
On December 18 2012 21:20 frd wrote: Well, that blows. I just lost a 60(13) DH to the fire grates in the Keep, and I'm 90% sure I was victim of lag. I was at full health and stepped onto the grate for just a second and my HP went from full to none in a second, even though I had time to press Smoke Screen in between ticks.
Just a few seconds earlier, I was on fiery grates but took no damage, which I thought meant I hit the flames on the last frame, or somesuch. It's too bad too, the DH was a nice vacation from the Barbarian. I'm a bit miffed about losing two Perfect Star Emeralds.
P.S.: if there's a good soul with a bit of time to kill who's willing to give me a boost with the next DH, my battletag is frd#2904 (EUHC).
isnt the joy of HC the progression? boosting in HC seems so senseless to me :/
For me, I level each class legitimately once, and then powerlevel any char back that dies at 60.
Also, running over fire grates for any reason ever is stupid lol.
Some areas you can't progress unless you run over the grates. I remember Kungen getting two-shotted when the grates tricked him (the fires were going up and down at regular intervals, that is until he walked over one and the fire suddenly came back up randomly). Which is why I turn on any damage reduction when running the grates.
Fire grates mean Leap/Vault/Spirit Walk/Teleport/Bubble or go home in my humble opinion. If you're playing without an escape, you have only yourself to blame for getting hit by that crap.
Tempted to try hardcore for a change but there are some things i'm wondering. How does your stash and gold work in hardcore? Is it shared by all your hardcore characters or do you lose it when your char dies? And another thing, does somebody perhaps know if people trade gold between softcore and hardcore and what is the exchange rate?
On December 19 2012 03:00 Tears.Of.The.Moon wrote: Tempted to try hardcore for a change but there are some things i'm wondering. How does your stash and gold work in hardcore? Is it shared by all your hardcore characters or do you lose it when your char dies? And another thing, does somebody perhaps know if people trade gold between softcore and hardcore and what is the exchange rate?
When your character dies only his equipped items and inventory is lost. Stash/gold stays. Blacksmith/jeweler stays too.
For sc vs hc gold go on d2jsp, it's pretty much the best around if you don't know any other community/people.
I don't understand why people play HC only to farm MP0 A3 inferno endlessly. There is no challenge in farming A3 inferno in hardcore because there is absolutely no chance of dying unless it's due to lag spikes or disconnects. Why gimp yourself in a mode where there are less good items when the mode itself doesn't actually reward skill?
On December 18 2012 21:20 frd wrote: Well, that blows. I just lost a 60(13) DH to the fire grates in the Keep, and I'm 90% sure I was victim of lag. I was at full health and stepped onto the grate for just a second and my HP went from full to none in a second, even though I had time to press Smoke Screen in between ticks.
Just a few seconds earlier, I was on fiery grates but took no damage, which I thought meant I hit the flames on the last frame, or somesuch. It's too bad too, the DH was a nice vacation from the Barbarian. I'm a bit miffed about losing two Perfect Star Emeralds.
P.S.: if there's a good soul with a bit of time to kill who's willing to give me a boost with the next DH, my battletag is frd#2904 (EUHC).
What times are you usually on? I'll help you level if you haven't found anyone yet.
On December 19 2012 03:37 ArC_man wrote: I don't understand why people play HC only to farm MP0 A3 inferno endlessly. There is no challenge in farming A3 inferno in hardcore because there is absolutely no chance of dying unless it's due to lag spikes or disconnects. Why gimp yourself in a mode where there are less good items when the mode itself doesn't actually reward skill?
getting to A3 inferno without any gold and items is acutally not as easy as u might think. they nerfed inferno, thats right, but i still remember how hard u fought in A1 inferno when u first got there after release?
On December 19 2012 03:37 ArC_man wrote: I don't understand why people play HC only to farm MP0 A3 inferno endlessly. There is no challenge in farming A3 inferno in hardcore because there is absolutely no chance of dying unless it's due to lag spikes or disconnects. Why gimp yourself in a mode where there are less good items when the mode itself doesn't actually reward skill?
getting to A3 inferno without any gold and items is acutally not as easy as u might think. they nerfed inferno, thats right, but i still remember how hard u fought in A1 inferno when u first got there after release?
It's actually as easy as I think it is because I've done it before. All it takes is some time put in to acquire necessary gear and ballpark knowledge of how much dps and defense you need to progress past areas. I agree that the pre-nerf inferno was much more challenging and fun. Hardcore loses it's value to me when the only possible way you could die is not due to your own lack of skill but due to internet or server instability.
On December 19 2012 03:37 ArC_man wrote: I don't understand why people play HC only to farm MP0 A3 inferno endlessly. There is no challenge in farming A3 inferno in hardcore because there is absolutely no chance of dying unless it's due to lag spikes or disconnects. Why gimp yourself in a mode where there are less good items when the mode itself doesn't actually reward skill?
getting to A3 inferno without any gold and items is acutally not as easy as u might think. they nerfed inferno, thats right, but i still remember how hard u fought in A1 inferno when u first got there after release?
It's actually as easy as I think it is because I've done it before. All it takes is some time put in to acquire necessary gear and ballpark knowledge of how much dps and defense you need to progress past areas. I agree that the pre-nerf inferno was much more challenging and fun. Hardcore loses it's value to me when the only possible way you could die is not due to your own lack of skill but due to internet or server instability.
Only fun thing in d3 right now, should happen more often imo. Nothing is more exciting than seeing the screen freeze for 2 seconds and your latency bar in the deep red. Would be a damn shame if all that gear went down the shitter heh
On December 19 2012 08:11 riotjune wrote: What's skill?
I'd say "skill" would be having a combination of knowledge of the game and character mechanics, ability to judge various situations on the fly, and mechanics/execution. Right now the game is at a point where very little knowledge is required to progress through even the highest difficulty. The game hardly puts you into any situations where split second decision making results in life/death.
The only possible places to die nowadays (that I can think of) are in Keeps 2 if you blindly dive into a group of 3+ banelings without an escape (which would be considered a lack of judgement) or if you started an Alkaiser run and it spawned 2 champ packs of Succubi + Phase beasts and you happened to lag out for a second or two.
Only fun thing in d3 right now, should happen more often imo. Nothing is more exciting than seeing the screen freeze for 2 seconds and your latency bar in the deep red. Would be a damn shame if all that gear went down the shitter heh
So you would rather die to lag than to your own lack of ability or judgement? To each his or her own I guess.
On December 19 2012 08:11 riotjune wrote: Only fun thing in d3 right now, should happen more often imo. Nothing is more exciting than seeing the screen freeze for 2 seconds and your latency bar in the deep red. Would be a damn shame if all that gear went down the shitter heh
So you would rather die to lag than to your own lack of ability or judgement? To each his or her own I guess.
It was more of a jab at d3's lack of content right now. People have been saying the game's pretty much all figured out already and there's nothing left to do. Only rush left is from potential dc's and racing to finish my run before maintenance kicks everyone out, which is once every week. And we're all still waiting on that damn pvp.
Plus if I die to lag that proves I wasn't lacking in ability or judgement, thus bigger peen for me. Seriously though, you might not have control over everything and that is something we accept (that includes internet stability or getting hit by a car). You can still take precautions for them, and that can belong in the knowledge about the game skillset you have listed if you factor lag as being part of the game as well as some luck. Or not. You gamble?
I would say right now inferno is pretty doable even with bad internet. I shudder to face Ghom on old inferno, one mishap while kiting him around the room and it's gg. Speaking of which, what's the point of the 10 second timer now, ensure death on dc? I thought they made champ packs stop regenerating health if you broke aggro. I like unkkz's suggestion of equipping windforce on scoundrel, probably bought me like 3 seconds on some instances.
On December 17 2012 02:21 OFCORPSE wrote: What class would you recommend someone who random disconnects atleast twice a day?
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Paladin.
I really like the idea of hardcore, and I've played two characters until NM Act 4, but I would miss the allure of finding stuff you could sell in the RMAH.
On December 19 2012 08:11 riotjune wrote: What's skill?
I'd say "skill" would be having a combination of knowledge of the game and character mechanics, ability to judge various situations on the fly, and mechanics/execution. Right now the game is at a point where very little knowledge is required to progress through even the highest difficulty. The game hardly puts you into any situations where split second decision making results in life/death.
The only possible places to die nowadays (that I can think of) are in Keeps 2 if you blindly dive into a group of 3+ banelings without an escape (which would be considered a lack of judgement) or if you started an Alkaiser run and it spawned 2 champ packs of Succubi + Phase beasts and you happened to lag out for a second or two.
Only fun thing in d3 right now, should happen more often imo. Nothing is more exciting than seeing the screen freeze for 2 seconds and your latency bar in the deep red. Would be a damn shame if all that gear went down the shitter heh
So you would rather die to lag than to your own lack of ability or judgement? To each his or her own I guess.
Have you actually played hardcore? 'cause you seem to me as a bored sc player who VISA'ed his way into act 3 and can't remember how its like to be a 450 K eHP DH trying A3 for the first time (and with one life). Sure when you have a fuck load of gear it gets easier, but you have to get there. This isnt SC where you can buy 60K dps for 3M gold because the AH is completely retarted.
The adrenaline HC gives you can't be explained. Just give it a try, not much to add.
edit: also, you can play with MP's. they exist in HC too, you know
Incidentally, saying the only way to die is by lagging is pretty silly, and suggests you haven't actually done it. For one thing, A3 exploders do a ballpark 400k EHP on MP0, which means about a 1 second mistake can easily cost you your DH at least, and probably a wizard as well (given WD's will just pop their spirit vessel). In addition, combinations like waller/arcane can definitely get you stuck in situations where you're going to need to play very carefully or just die. If the only way to die was through DC's, the number of dead characters you see on D3progress would be pretty staggering, so this isn't just theorycraft. If everyone had the gear their SC characters did, sure it would be pretty silly, but even a quick look at the two auction houses will immediately show you that that's not even remotely close to being the reality.
On December 19 2012 03:00 Tears.Of.The.Moon wrote: Tempted to try hardcore for a change but there are some things i'm wondering. How does your stash and gold work in hardcore? Is it shared by all your hardcore characters or do you lose it when your char dies? And another thing, does somebody perhaps know if people trade gold between softcore and hardcore and what is the exchange rate?
When your character dies only his equipped items and inventory is lost. Stash/gold stays. Blacksmith/jeweler stays too.
For sc vs hc gold go on d2jsp, it's pretty much the best around if you don't know any other community/people.
You lose your follower items too, even if they're not with you when you die.
I am playing hardcore since i hit my first level 60 ! I am only playing Demon Hunter on a 5 year old PC ! ) EUROPE HARDCORE ALL THE WAY! all hardcore players add me please, MindEJ#2102
On December 19 2012 03:37 ArC_man wrote: I don't understand why people play HC only to farm MP0 A3 inferno endlessly. There is no challenge in farming A3 inferno in hardcore because there is absolutely no chance of dying unless it's due to lag spikes or disconnects. Why gimp yourself in a mode where there are less good items when the mode itself doesn't actually reward skill?
getting to A3 inferno without any gold and items is acutally not as easy as u might think. they nerfed inferno, thats right, but i still remember how hard u fought in A1 inferno when u first got there after release?
It's actually as easy as I think it is because I've done it before. All it takes is some time put in to acquire necessary gear and ballpark knowledge of how much dps and defense you need to progress past areas. I agree that the pre-nerf inferno was much more challenging and fun. Hardcore loses it's value to me when the only possible way you could die is not due to your own lack of skill but due to internet or server instability.
thats pretty wrong. "acquire necessary gear" - well, prices at Hardcore are pretty rough, when i first played through hardcore, there were about 20 items with more than 60 allres available in the AH, you can imagine their prices. a bad stormshield was about 7 million, and playing though the whole thing till inferno a2 you didnt get more than 1 million. it was quite a challange, its way easier now obviously, but its still way more fun than softcore ~~
I've lost five barbs in the last week so not fun. I have to watch TV+movies at the same time to get me through the ten hour grind to 60 but I get too distracted.
I find fear (nightmare) the worst ability. You just get absolutely smacked while running like a moron, and you have no control of your guy walking into beams / frozen. Even with amazing defense stats, fear can screw you over royally.
Umm ... is it normal that the AH (eu) is so empty? It is pretty hard to check prices or even get upgrades cause there are only 1-2 pages if u search for things like gloves: cd, ch, int.
For the love of god watch out for the Keywarden in act 4. From Nightmare on he's really, really good at ending a great character. NM Nekarat ate my 50 barb without a second thought.
Still have nightmares about that day.
I've got a Monk just about at him and I'm becoming a ball of anxiety.
Also started playing HC this week. Because it was the safest and also because I haven't played the character yet, I started out with a WD. Reaching 60 was pretty easy though I had some back luck with NM Diablo and he almost killed me lol. I think I had about a 100 HP left even with spirit vessel. Fucking clone smashed some bears in my face which ate my spirit vessel, then I got stuck between the prison thingies and Diablo.
I completely agree, I was one to never play hardcore because i was too scared to die. I find it more of a rush and requiring more intelligent play then smash and bash constantly. Its overall a more enjoying environment and play.
On December 22 2012 20:03 bluQ wrote: Umm ... is it normal that the AH (eu) is so empty? It is pretty hard to check prices or even get upgrades cause there are only 1-2 pages if u search for things like gloves: cd, ch, int.
Yep, even in the 10m per piece range you often have to wait for what you're looking for to come up when you're making upgrades... it can get tedious at times but it makes character progression very satisfying
On December 22 2012 20:03 bluQ wrote: Umm ... is it normal that the AH (eu) is so empty? It is pretty hard to check prices or even get upgrades cause there are only 1-2 pages if u search for things like gloves: cd, ch, int.
Yep, even in the 10m per piece range you often have to wait for what you're looking for to come up when you're making upgrades... it can get tedious at times but it makes character progression very satisfying
Yea but also makes it pretty hard to kick off my wd is running unbuffed at 29k and around 4.2k 700ar. Would love to get some decent mf amu for her but yea nothin on the market :/ Lets see how far ill take my lil saggytits.
I just started playing HC today with two friends. We rolled Barb/WD/Monk and raped through act 1 and 2 normal at monster power 4 without breaking a sweat. There were two close calls for our monk but it ended up being fine. We're entering act 3 at level 26 thanks to the increased exp from the high monster power. HC is awesome, especially with friends.
Again, I'd be willing to powerlevel any TLers who just want a fast level 60 in hardcore, but I think it's definitely worth the experience to level the first time. (Either way, if you wanna play HC, add/msg me Pokebunny#1967!)
I'm going to take you up on this. My HC barb is lvl 56 and I have cain's set. I fell to less than 100 hp in just a few mortar shots from a pack and have been scared to death to finish it to 60 ever since. Hopefully it works out where you can help me get the last 4 levels (I added/pm'd you in game about help gearing in response to another one of your threads, but you're always busy T.T;)
On December 25 2012 15:07 KiWiKaKi wrote: sup doods, I currently have a level 54 H A R D C O R E witch doctor
You sexy beast
I do agree with Pokebunny. The softcore ladder is full of hacked gold which deflates the value of your legit gold, making farming pretty worthless and boring. Hardcore is really fun and at least gives you a sense of accomplishment and makes you "try" while playing the game instead of just rolling ur face on the keyboard barely caring about what's on the screen.
I do suggest playing with friends / chilling on Skype etc while you play. Makes HC that much more fun. Oh and challenge urself with mob level 5-8 for as long as you can.
Don't get your first HC character powerleveled and rush into inferno. You won't learn anything and you'll just die straight away. Seen it happen so many times and then people get frustrated and give up. The leveling process gives you a chance to learn skills that you never learnt in softcore and it's far better you die leveling a few times than at 60.
In softcore the game begins at level 60 but in HC it begins at level 1.`The faster you rush, the faster you'll die.
On December 25 2012 15:07 KiWiKaKi wrote: sup doods, I currently have a level 54 H A R D C O R E witch doctor
Want to play together? I have a 54 H A R D C O R E barbarian That goes for anyone else too, I'd really like to get a bit of a social aspect into my Diablo 3. I've played solo for my whole time having the game (since release) and it is getting quite lonely.
On December 25 2012 17:32 tomatriedes wrote: Don't get your first HC character powerleveled and rush into inferno. You won't learn anything and you'll just die straight away. Seen it happen so many times and then people get frustrated and give up. The leveling process gives you a chance to learn skills that you never learnt in softcore and it's far better you die leveling a few times than at 60.
In softcore the game begins at level 60 but in HC it begins at level 1.`The faster you rush, the faster you'll die.
On December 25 2012 17:32 tomatriedes wrote: Don't get your first HC character powerleveled and rush into inferno. You won't learn anything and you'll just die straight away. Seen it happen so many times and then people get frustrated and give up. The leveling process gives you a chance to learn skills that you never learnt in softcore and it's far better you die leveling a few times than at 60.
In softcore the game begins at level 60 but in HC it begins at level 1.`The faster you rush, the faster you'll die.
Not my first HC
That's good, in general though for others reading the thread I think it's good advice.
Is there any hardcore / WD guide out there? I'd like to know which level and AR / HP etc. is required for the different difficulties and which skills are the best for a HC WD.
If anyone wants to start new hardcore chars or play sometime add me up, I'm ROOTChoseN.965 on SC2 and ChoseN#1176 on D3. I've got plenty of lvl 60's on Softcore etc and played a lot of D3 but now gonna look into playing HC.
Started fresh over the holiday, almost 60 on my WD. Wish there was better community support in the game so it'd be easier to find TL people.
SkyOtter#1211
edit: would love to find a couple 'loot buddies' of different classes that are around the same gear level (newly 60) to share drops with as we gear up at 60 ^^
52 WD died to lag (resumed in the middle of a zone, lagged and killed)
47 Barb died to elite Maniacs with Vortex (srsly?) they vortexed me from behind a door and instantly blew up on me. Was kind of hilarious tbh.
53 Barb died to a d/c. Fail.
60 Barb I lost legit to in the glories of A1 inferno pre-nerf (1.2? I think)
HC is pretty fun if you have the patience for it. A few friends to help you along the way and it's a grand old time. The only thing that sucks is d/c deaths and lag deaths. Good internet connection required :p
On December 26 2012 02:21 SC2Panda wrote: Is there any hardcore / WD guide out there? I'd like to know which level and AR / HP etc. is required for the different difficulties and which skills are the best for a HC WD.
Playing WD at the moment. Act1 was comfortable with around 20k dps and about 600 AR, and some decent armor value (around 4k) with a shield in offhand. Act3 was farmable with around 25-30k dps and 600~700 AR, 4.5k armor and a shield. Currently farming Act3 with dmg-offhand at 41k dps, 700 ar and 4.5k armor.
A Barb is always nice to have if you want to switch from shiled to dmg-off. makes it a lot easy to transition smoothly.
Most important thing is to get about 600 LoH at least and just spam Acid Cloud.
HC is the way to go. Even if all my level 60's are dead. I only ever played SC up until I could make a HC character.
I was think of changing to the US server because I quite like the idea of levelling the Blacksmith and Jeweller again and teaching them recipes and having no cash to start with. As I will be playing on EU and US feel free to add me Oxslow#2669 I currently have a mid 30 monk on EU.
EDIT: GGRRR Have so level a SC on US server before I can create a HC
I just started playing D3 again, and looking at just doing HC! I was wondering what is the fastest way to level up a new charater! Should I play with MP levels or just cruise through as quickly as possible on MP0. Just lost my 51 monk to the keywarden. Now starting to level a DH, add me up if anyone wants to play
On December 30 2012 09:36 EtherealDeath wrote: Just now hit 60 and unlocked Inferno on HC with a friend! Fuck items cost so much QQ
Watch for auctions running out. I bought my first set of items (act1 farming gear) for around 1m-1,5m and sold the stuff when i had better gear for approx. 3m cause I bid on the items and shot some good deals by it.
On December 30 2012 09:36 EtherealDeath wrote: Just now hit 60 and unlocked Inferno on HC with a friend! Fuck items cost so much QQ
Watch for auctions running out. I bought my first set of items (act1 farming gear) for around 1m-1,5m and sold the stuff when i had better gear for approx. 3m cause I bid on the items and shot some good deals by it.
I didn't even think of doing hardcore when I first got bored in softcore. Probably because when I bought the game, hardcore was so out of the question that I imediatly cut it out of the game in my mind. But now I realize that I need to play the game more "cazualy" to enjoy it maybe. Try new classes in normal, fight for something else than gold, maybe even enjoy the lore (something I never actualy did)... And hardcore seems like a good place to do that. Thanks I guess =).
On December 17 2012 02:21 OFCORPSE wrote: What class would you recommend someone who random disconnects atleast twice a day?
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The first ten levels are a cake walk for any class, so you should be fine with whichever you like for your disconnecting situation
Tho a witchdoc or a barb should be the best in the disco. They just have the sickest dance moves! :D Nah but with a lot of life regen stacked you can even survive disco's in inferno act3. Barb is just imba in terms of defensive stats and witchdoc has pets who can tank while you char patiently waits for the 10 seconds disconnect.
Mmm I never really got into D3 (even though I bought it launch day haha) but the idea of dying and never coming back really piques my interest (like with fire emblem etc, except the stakes are higher here > ).
That said DH was a really fun class for me..how bad is it to start DH ?
On January 01 2013 12:31 CaffeineFree-_- wrote: Mmm I never really got into D3 (even though I bought it launch day haha) but the idea of dying and never coming back really piques my interest (like with fire emblem etc, except the stakes are higher here > ).
That said DH was a really fun class for me..how bad is it to start DH ?
If you got friends to team up with DH is fine, I dont enjoy playing DH solo in HC though
I only know my old school ones from pre-1.0.5 SC. Dinged 60 on my WD a few days ago and did Butcher runs to grab some basic gear. I'm now doing A2 runs (Vault, Black Canyon, Cistern etc) with 50kish life, 500 res all and 20k dps. Should I just stick with this until I've got gear for act 3 gear or are there better runs now? Also, what kind of gear level am I looking at before moving on to Act 3?
On December 31 2012 01:22 Pokebunny wrote: Glad to see lots of people getting into hc... I died on my top 5 server wiz and am bck to sc2 but might play again eventually
My first HC level 60 just died, paragon 5. I'm actually not even upset, I'm proud I got there on my 2nd hardcore character! I am a bit disappointed that I died right after making a bunch of fresh level 60 friends to play with but I think I can make it back quick enough. I bumped up to MP1 Inferno and got taken out entering the first area I went to because of an elite right next to the portal. Quick lag spike from my computer after entering a new area and bam, down because of a jailer and arcane beam :D
On January 02 2013 01:51 heishe wrote: Is Hardcore Gold <-> Softcore Gold trading still a thing? Is there a market for it?
look at diablofans.com in the forum. There are some threads. Last time I checked the rate is 5:1 which is pretty awesome to farm hc gold and convert it.
On January 02 2013 09:06 HorsemasterK wrote: Anyone got HC farming spots to share?
I only know my old school ones from pre-1.0.5 SC. Dinged 60 on my WD a few days ago and did Butcher runs to grab some basic gear. I'm now doing A2 runs (Vault, Black Canyon, Cistern etc) with 50kish life, 500 res all and 20k dps. Should I just stick with this until I've got gear for act 3 gear or are there better runs now? Also, what kind of gear level am I looking at before moving on to Act 3?
You want to go for mp0 Act3 farming. You can leave out bastions keep lv2 and core of arreat (nasty blues and me personally, I hate banelings) and always farm the warden, key can drop on mp0 and you want lots of keys
I'll repost from earlier page: Act1 was comfortable with around 20k dps and about 600 AR, and some decent armor value (around 4k) with a shield in offhand. Act3 was farmable with around 25-30k dps and 600~700 AR, 4.5k armor and a shield. Currently farming Act3 with dmg-offhand at 41k dps, 700 ar and 4.5k armor.
Lost my Paragon 14 sorc a few days ago... Last pack of a full act 3 clean with 2 barbs and a monk... 5 in the mornin'... TP on cooldown fuckin ice and arcane sentry combo... There goes 50 hours and 80M of gold....
On January 02 2013 22:01 bluQ wrote: You want to go for mp0 Act3 farming. You can leave out bastions keep lv2 and core of arreat (nasty blues and me personally, I hate banelings) and always farm the warden, key can drop on mp0 and you want lots of keys
I'll repost from earlier page: Act1 was comfortable with around 20k dps and about 600 AR, and some decent armor value (around 4k) with a shield in offhand. Act3 was farmable with around 25-30k dps and 600~700 AR, 4.5k armor and a shield. Currently farming Act3 with dmg-offhand at 41k dps, 700 ar and 4.5k armor.
Thanks a ton! Those are some good benchmarks to work towards. I'll keep doing my Act 2 runs for the time being, just added A2 Keywarden as someone from TL reminded me of that last night. Still getting used to this new stuff.
Keeps 2... lol... I'm staying away from there as long as possible ^^
Its funny, the stuff I love the most isn't the hardcore aspect itself, but more the clean start ala D2 ladder system. It was fun having an empty stash and no gold and actually having to rely on found items.
But the death thing won't work for me I think. I average one/two disconnects a day so my chances of even making it past Normal are slim. Its a pity there's no middleground option between Death Is Cheap and Death is Permanent.
Edit : My first WD made it about as far as the jails, and then I got a disconnect at pretty much the worst possible time.
When D3 first came out and I played it, I was disappointed in that piece of crap. But then I read unkkz's original HC thread and I got inspired. I created a HC character and haven't look back at softcore since. In HC, I actually have fun trying to progress and just trying to get to the end. Softcore is boring as hell, as all it is: Is get to end game ASAP then grind for the auction house.... Gear your toon up as much as possible and make her a trophy. I realize many people get attached to their trophy characters, but D3 to me is all about the progression of HC. Not the "end-game" or feeding the AH machine.
Hello my name is Bravoscript#1956 Europe. I am an experienced player in Diablo 3 Hardcore. I now want to play diablo 3 in the correct method, that is hardcore self found items only. I have had 3 previcesly level 60 hardcore characters, but with the use of AH.
What i am asking for is people, who wanna play the self found item method on the Europe server. We will make farm parties, taking down thoose bosses, and slowly progress against diablo and a higher MP. I am currently a lvl 58 Wizard (female .
On January 05 2013 04:39 BravoScripT.DK wrote: Hello my name is Bravoscript#1956 Europe. I am an experienced player in Diablo 3 Hardcore. I now want to play diablo 3 in the correct method, that is hardcore self found items only. I have had 3 previcesly level 60 hardcore characters, but with the use of AH.
What i am asking for is people, who wanna play the self found item method on the Europe server. We will make farm parties, taking down thoose bosses, and slowly progress against diablo and a higher MP. I am currently a lvl 58 Wizard (female .
People who are interested are very welcome to add me as friend in battlenet. Bravoscript#1956 Europe.
Just started playing self-found on HC on my monk. I'm taking things really slow since I'm playing on mp10 (still in act 1 normal) and clearing almost all the maps so I can find loot. Since you're already level 58, do you have any tips for playing this way in HC? Did you find crafting gear useful at all? And since gold is almost useless in a self found game, did you salvage all the blues/rares you found or just sell it?
crafting gear helps, i only played on MP0, makes it 1000 times easier You dont gain anything from MP10, since it takes 100 times longer, and in the end, the mobs will not give you any experience, since you are to high lvl.
So I was wondering what routes in a3 do you guys use for fast paragon.
A lot of routes used in softcore are just too dangerous for hardcore. To be more precise, any route that starts at the end of the core or at the beginning of one of the towers (going back into areat crater) can get you insta gibbed if you get a bad lag spike and that kind of good jazz... I lost a Paragon 19 DH with 95k dps like that, trust me, you don't want to have that happen to you.
After lurking a bit all around, I found this one:
Called the Big 6 (or something else, but w/e), it feels a lot safer because you start at the fort and go backwards; you then go tower of the damned, go round, go keeps 2, rakkis, slaughter and finally arreat crater 2. I take out keeps 2 if someone in my group is scared and I take out slaughter if someone doesnt have movement speed boost (IMO the fields are only interesting if you have 24%, but i still do them with 12%)...
I used to run Keep 3 -> TD1 -> Rakkis -> Fields -> K2 -> Crater 1 -> Crater 2 -> Core -> Stonefort on my archon wiz before I just started doing straight alkaizers.
On January 07 2013 20:32 Pokebunny wrote: I used to run Keep 3 -> TD1 -> Rakkis -> Fields -> K2 -> Crater 1 -> Crater 2 -> Core -> Stonefort on my archon wiz before I just started doing straight alkaizers.
From what ive read this route (the one in the link) is better than the Alkhaizer route! Not as good for loot (even though i believe the number of packs doesnt really change anything to loot... its like the lottery: you buy 2 tickets, you have double the chance of winning, but hey your still at 1 on 30 000 000, so...), but 10-15% better xp/hour!
On January 05 2013 23:19 BravoScripT.DK wrote: crafting gear helps, i only played on MP0, makes it 1000 times easier You dont gain anything from MP10, since it takes 100 times longer, and in the end, the mobs will not give you any experience, since you are to high lvl.
I'm also a pretty experienced hardcore player and I respectfully disagree with this ^^ I always recommend to play through Normal on MP10 when you start a HC character. Normal is so ridiculously easy that you might as well milk as many levels out of it as you can. Plus, the higher level you are, the better the gear that drops for you. You get levels sooooooo fast playing on MP10 and the game is still manageable I feel if you play correctly.
Then when you get to Act3, farm the core / craters for experience until you feel comfortable to move on (since this area is the best to farm experience).
On January 07 2013 23:15 ChosenSC2 wrote: Plus, the higher level you are, the better the gear that drops for you
Wrong, so wrong. It's actually the opposite. You level higher and quicker than you would at MP0, but the gear that drops is based on mob level, so the drops you get are worse and worse as you level up.
Until you hit around level 50 and then the curve evens out.
On January 08 2013 02:19 Sindriss wrote: Any experienced monks who can let me know some basic stats for farming? I feel I am somewhere between mp0 and mp1 in ability to farm.
Got 45k hp 800 res all 18k dps 1000 life on hit
Maybe I am ready for mp1 but I just feel my dps is quite low and that endangers things.
you shouldn't run above a3 mp0 ever for any reason unless you're 100k+ dps
i had 130k dps base archon wiz and i still ran mp0 a3
Alright, finally uploaded my looong video of my full act 4 inferno hardcore playthrough. Complete with "supporting" commentary from my friends. Hope you enjoy!
So if any new HC players are looking for some HC gold and want to to trade their SC for my HC gold, I quit HC and I'm offering a 4:1 ratio (4m SC for 1m HC). Have 90m in stock, anyone wanna trade?
On January 10 2013 14:09 ChosenSC2 wrote: Good enough to farm act 3? I'm scared to go try since its hardcore... Don't wanna roll out and get poon'd by some elite pack.
Looks fine to me. If you're worried about elites though just take a careful look at the affixes before you charge in to anything. Should be fine with those stats unless you let yourself get jailed into arcane or some similar bollox.
On January 10 2013 14:09 ChosenSC2 wrote: Good enough to farm act 3? I'm scared to go try since its hardcore... Don't wanna roll out and get poon'd by some elite pack.
Easily. Your damage is huge compared to your AR though - many WDs farm with ~40k dps, and I know a guy who has 600 mil in the bank but just farms in max mf 50k dps gear easily.
Also, assuming that's a non-crit mempo - very bad choice for a WD - you want as little attack speed as possible, so you are more mana-efficient with bears.
You should also get some LoH and run Rain of Toads - the proc coefficient is disgustingly massive and it will keep your hp up. Rain of Toads + Zombie Bears should be your go-to attack skills, then 2x pets + spirit walk + soul harvest. Passives should be spirit vessel, jungle fortitude, and most likely gruesome feast (although if you have 0 pickup you can go with something else).
Basically, you overdid it on the damage and skimped on AR / LoH. You can easily farm A3 fairly fast with a 50k dps WD - WD's buffs + zombie bears melt things very quick even with low base dps. Your biggest weakness is definitely the loh though.
On January 10 2013 14:09 ChosenSC2 wrote: Good enough to farm act 3? I'm scared to go try since its hardcore... Don't wanna roll out and get poon'd by some elite pack.
Easily. Your damage is huge compared to your AR though - many WDs farm with ~40k dps, and I know a guy who has 600 mil in the bank but just farms in max mf 50k dps gear easily.
Also, assuming that's a non-crit mempo - very bad choice for a WD - you want as little attack speed as possible, so you are more mana-efficient with bears.
You should also get some LoH and run Rain of Toads - the proc coefficient is disgustingly massive and it will keep your hp up. Rain of Toads + Zombie Bears should be your go-to attack skills, then 2x pets + spirit walk + soul harvest. Passives should be spirit vessel, jungle fortitude, and most likely gruesome feast (although if you have 0 pickup you can go with something else).
Basically, you overdid it on the damage and skimped on AR / LoH. You can easily farm A3 fairly fast with a 50k dps WD - WD's buffs + zombie bears melt things very quick even with low base dps. Your biggest weakness is definitely the loh though.
I always thought it would be better to use Acid because its safer, I have to get close to use bears / toads
On January 11 2013 06:19 Sindriss wrote: Can someone explain how items with e.g. +8% holy damage works?
+ elementdmg gets counted for all black (non-element) damage on all you items. If you have a weapon that has e.g. lightning-damage, it doesn´t count for that particular damage. So a black weapon is always what you wanna use if you wanna get the most out of the +elementdmg. It also counts for all average damage you got on rings or amulets. It makes a huge difference.
Does anybody know how much HP the Butcher has on Inferno mp0? (or even better, a list with all bosses' HP somewhere??) I think maybe my barb can take him on but I don't want to risk too much, and I don't have a SC character to take a look myself
On January 12 2013 01:05 frontliner2 wrote: I gave up on this (shitty) game half a year ago but decided to try hardcore. With Hardcore this game is actually fun!
Have fun and stay safe (and don't play drunk!)[/QUOTE]
Truer words never spoken. Literally just lost my DH because i played after coming back from the pub. I didnt think i would make it past Nightmare and he ended up clearing HC inferno. Died to fallen manics in Act 3 farm.
On January 11 2013 23:27 nRoot wrote: Does anybody know how much HP the Butcher has on Inferno mp0? (or even better, a list with all bosses' HP somewhere??) I think maybe my barb can take him on but I don't want to risk too much, and I don't have a SC character to take a look myself
For bosses you feel a little sketchy about maybe have a friend fight them the first time with you so you can get a feel for it. I can smash Butcher in Inferno in less than 5 seconds. I'd be willing to play him with you so you can see how it goes. Add ChoseN#1176 (Americas Server)
There isn't currently a thread for the D3 Hardcore community that continually updates the OP and sorts everything for people who want to trade / farm / level together. So I decided why not start one up.
Currently playing a WD in hardore, lvl 54 atm, self found items only. Was wondering if someone can recommend a good build up level 60, WITH THE ITEMS I HAVE ATM. (Will consider AH when I'm 60 or done with Inferno.)
Been using Dire Bats (220% dmg 40 yards) ever since I got them, but they are annoyingly slow... Just hit lvl 54 and tried Zombie Bears, but they deplete my mana soooo fast, and they don't even pass through mobs. Also, whats considered to be the best primary attack? Using Fire bomb atm (110% dmg x 3).
Is there some skills I should switch out for more mana regen and go with bears?
PS: Posted same in WD thread, but don't know how many there play HC.
EPT
I have to watch TV+movies at the same time to get me through the ten hour grind to 60 but I get too distracted.
