EPTHardcore and why you should play it - Dec2012 - Page 2
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lordvnm
Germany45 Posts
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eluv
United States1251 Posts
On December 16 2012 23:34 Pokebunny wrote: I haven't personally played DH, but I've played wiz and seen some DHs. You have to pay much more attention / be more aware... also DH has no way to get out of wallers except leech/smokescreen and pray they live long enough. Basically, with DH you have to be very situationally aware and have fast reactions because you can go down very quickly. I can agree with both these sentiments. On my Demon Hunter (paragon 11), I feel like I needed to learn exactly what kinds of things were dangerous, and it's not something you can easily describe. I'm at a point where my EHP means nothing's going to kill me "just" by hitting me, but every elite pack, I have to pay attention and evaluate if there's something bad that *could* happen given the affix combination I'm facing. Usually it amounts to something like 2 CC affixes (Waller/Jailer, Frozen/Knockback etc.) and 2 big DPS affixes, along with some kind of a stronger than average base mob. You can go hours of playtime not facing a pack like that, but when it comes along you have to recognize very quickly that it's more dangerous than the dozens (or hundreds, or thousands!) of other elite packs you've fought. Of course, before you're 60 and stacking AR/Vit/Life% etc, a whole lot of careless mistakes can kill you. I wouldn't go past level 25 at the highest without switching to a shield personally, and you have to be somewhat disciplined about always keeping your spec defensively focused. The thing I really learned the hard way is that the danger of a situation can escalate very, very quickly, so the moment you're in a situation where you're being reduced even below half HP, you should probably re-evaluate and step down the MP, buy/farm some upgrades, or just take a break for a bit. Continuing on out of those kinds of situations might be safe 90% of the time, but all it takes is one death. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:21 OFCORPSE wrote: What class would you recommend someone who random disconnects atleast twice a day? ....  Barb and stack some life regen. To be honest though, if you have unstable internet, you should probably not play hc. :p | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 17 2012 02:41 lordvnm wrote: I'd say: don't play HC. It's bad enough if you die and it's your fault 'cause you fucked up or wanted to rush through the act or whatever. But if you die random 'cause the game or your connection crashes and you can't do anything about it? Totally different story. That is your opinion and some people find the risk worth it, it certainly has made diablo much more fun to me even though I lost my wizard at paragon 20 right after I got the gear for CM spec to a disconnect! | ||
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Durak
Canada3685 Posts
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lordvnm
Germany45 Posts
On December 17 2012 05:37 Pokebunny wrote: That is your opinion and some people find the risk worth it, it certainly has made diablo much more fun to me even though I lost my wizard at paragon 20 right after I got the gear for CM spec to a disconnect! HC itself makes it more fun indeed. But the way you said it, it sounds like disconnects and the fact that you can randomly lose your char without any fault should be part of HC mode. I find that hard to accept; although it's nice for you, 'cause you won't rage as hard as I would in that case :> By the way: WD level 46 and still alive. yay. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 17 2012 06:00 lordvnm wrote: HC itself makes it more fun indeed. But the way you said it, it sounds like disconnects and the fact that you can randomly lose your char without any fault should be part of HC mode. I find that hard to accept; although it's nice for you, 'cause you won't rage as hard as I would in that case :> By the way: WD level 46 and still alive. yay. Well, you simply have to accept that every one of your characters will eventually die if you play it enough. If that makes it impossible for you to enjoy the game then HC might not be for you. | ||
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eluv
United States1251 Posts
On December 17 2012 05:20 KalWarkov wrote: should u play lower difficulties on MP1 or MP2, or isnt it worth it? Honestly if you have some gold/gear from previous characters, you can afford to go through normal on just about any MP, and it is absolutely worth it. You will end up outlevelling the intended zones by a good margin, which translates to even higher level gear. To an extent, you end up levelling at about the same speed at a certain point, where the bonus XP just makes up for the loss of XP from being in lower level zones, but at that point, you're fighting mobs with more HP and less damage than the ones you'd normally be fighting - if you'd gone MP 0 the whole way. And we all know what less damage means! | ||
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Eurekastreet
1308 Posts
On December 17 2012 05:37 Pokebunny wrote: That is your opinion and some people find the risk worth it, it certainly has made diablo much more fun to me even though I lost my wizard at paragon 20 right after I got the gear for CM spec to a disconnect! I'd agree with the "don't play HC" guy. My regular char is a paragon 72 monk - which means I played this game too much obviously (and still it ain't enough) - but at this point, even though you can still see your char progressing in stats and gear thanks to some lucky legendaries dropping, the game's lvling is going pretty slow. Last week I played HC for the first time for a change, just going for the challenge of it all and also for the achievements (level 60, defeat diablo in inferno, etc). I spent 2 days leveling up to about to lvl 40 or some and blizzard decided I should disconnect and die. I went to Blizz forums and (I should have done before) read that there's nothing you can do about this, mail them all you want, they seem not to care about it, once you're dead, you're dead. I understand they do this to avoid having guys unplugging when they're about to die, and start afresh....anyone with a genuine disconnect gone bad pay for their behaviour. It's not so much about the time I've lost (one could argue gaming always is), but I can't play with the peeps I was playing with anymore (unless they restart a character with me), and the idea that I could spend 5-6 days to reach lvl 59 or be about to fight diablo in inferno when blizz hits me with another random disconnect is a final no-go for me right now. Thank god I'm a calm person because it'd upset me bad. It's sad because HC makes the game quite fun and very different from the normal gameplay, but those random disconnects make it all pointless. The day they fix it, I'll get back to it. I got a pretty stable internet (no other game ever dropped in the past 12 months), so I don't know what went wrong, but whatever it is, there should be solutions around that kind of problems. Just my two cents, if losing it all doesn't matter to you, and you just enjoy the "challenge" and don't care about leveling and achievements etc, then playing it hardcore is probably the funniest way to play the game (some argue that real hardcore is playing without ever using the auction house, which probably makes it much much harder and stressing, I might try it someday too, and pray no banelings hide behind dungeon corners) | ||
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lordvnm
Germany45 Posts
On December 17 2012 06:05 Pokebunny wrote: Well, you simply have to accept that every one of your characters will eventually die if you play it enough. If that makes it impossible for you to enjoy the game then HC might not be for you. That wasn't the point and quite apart from that I very well accept that fact and I do enjoy playing HC. I just think that OFCORPSE shouldn't ignore the fact, that his char can die without a chance if he can't fix his connection, no matter what class he chooses. That's basically what you told him a few posts earlier. So let's just leave it at that. | ||
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Sindriss
Denmark263 Posts
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Ektor Baboden
68 Posts
Inferno, obviously you have to start from MP0. I was pretty safe all the time. Obviously I always keep some defensive skills for the "oh shit" moments, even in Normal. | ||
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Mahanaim
Korea (South)1002 Posts
Awesome. | ||
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/haffy-2746/hero/22610597 I'd probably prefer to put some of my DH gear on my monk and do it on that because I don't mind it dying. | ||
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frd
France164 Posts
Just a few seconds earlier, I was on fiery grates but took no damage, which I thought meant I hit the flames on the last frame, or somesuch. It's too bad too, the DH was a nice vacation from the Barbarian. I'm a bit miffed about losing two Perfect Star Emeralds. P.S.: if there's a good soul with a bit of time to kill who's willing to give me a boost with the next DH, my battletag is frd#2904 (EUHC). | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On December 18 2012 21:20 frd wrote: Well, that blows. I just lost a 60(13) DH to the fire grates in the Keep, and I'm 90% sure I was victim of lag. I was at full health and stepped onto the grate for just a second and my HP went from full to none in a second, even though I had time to press Smoke Screen in between ticks. Just a few seconds earlier, I was on fiery grates but took no damage, which I thought meant I hit the flames on the last frame, or somesuch. It's too bad too, the DH was a nice vacation from the Barbarian. I'm a bit miffed about losing two Perfect Star Emeralds. P.S.: if there's a good soul with a bit of time to kill who's willing to give me a boost with the next DH, my battletag is frd#2904 (EUHC). isnt the joy of HC the progression? boosting in HC seems so senseless to me :/ | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
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frd
France164 Posts
On December 18 2012 23:20 KalWarkov wrote: isnt the joy of HC the progression? boosting in HC seems so senseless to me :/ Well, for me, the game starts at 60 (and it's not like I wonder if I can make it to 60 at this point). Everything before it is just tedium. | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
On December 18 2012 23:20 KalWarkov wrote: isnt the joy of HC the progression? boosting in HC seems so senseless to me :/ For me, I level each class legitimately once, and then powerlevel any char back that dies at 60. Also, running over fire grates for any reason ever is stupid lol. | ||
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