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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
June 14 2012 13:11 GMT
#121
Just beat hell on my HC barb.. So scared to start inferno though, I might just wait til 1.0.3
PandaCore
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany553 Posts
June 14 2012 13:19 GMT
#122
On June 14 2012 22:11 Najda wrote:
Just beat hell on my HC barb.. So scared to start inferno though, I might just wait til 1.0.3


Well you can already do Act 1, since they won't change anything there. Afaik they'll only adjust Act 2+

If you have a decent 1h weapon (~600 dps) with some life on hit you shouldn't have that many problems for the whole act.

I manage to breeze through Act 1 inferno on my barb with 55k life, a 600 dps 1h with 490 life on hit and 200 to all resists and 8500 armor.
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blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
June 14 2012 13:20 GMT
#123
Yes, they'll only nerf Act 2-4, and the incoming damage reduction for coop games is already active, so Act 1 Inferno won't change at all.
Greem
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
730 Posts
June 14 2012 13:24 GMT
#124
I also bought D3 only for HC experience, there is no point progressing with possibility of death, items just loose value for me, and since its a game about items, well it doesn't make sense to me. Softcore should be tuned and death should be punished in way harsher way tthen just lose of durability. Anyway with 3 second smokescreen i started HC with Demon Hunter, i was thinking its the best class for soloing , since i do prefer play solo whenever i feel to play, so i started, i died from lag at level 55 in hell difficulty in Spider Queen boss, i got huge lag when adds come out , survived that, but when lag was gone, queen apeared and i couldn't move, in my screen i clicking to move away, but ingame after the click i still was standing still and wasnt moving, so eventually i ran out of discipline of spaming smoescreen and not running away from her front attack , and vuala first RIP. The second RIP was at my second DH, already quick FIX to smokescreen came along, and so in act 3 hell dificulty i got a pack of Phase Beast, nasty creatures for Ranged class, i remember it was Ilusionist , jailer and teleporter, so ye , just couldnt escape, even that when i saw the pack coming i was runing for my life, i knew 2x teleport and ilusionist is just going to kill me with the state of survavility after Smoke Screen fix. I couldn't! 2nd RIP! I was already preparing for Inferno, and resistances to all were bothering me, DH doesn't have any real skill that improve you resistance to all , or skills like near death experience , example would be witch doctor. I did kill stuff quickly and mostly from 45 yards, problems were with packs with teleport, fast, and those nasty Phase Beasts monsters. My third , and for now Final character was Wizard, i did choose it simply because of armor spell, and because i was used to kiting, and playing right away with melee character wasn't easy swtich. So i rushed up to Hell like no problem, cleared hell with some help of weapon from AH, and then started farming bit by bit Inferno, i did a lot of runs getting tomes,not entering the cathedral, because of the fact that you cant get out if pack is watining for you in some generated maps,i only proseed if i see couple zombies eating corpse and wooden door ahead, even then im ready to use teleport with wormhole glyph to safely reset situation (For those who dont know it alows you to blink 3-4 times in a row). I cleared my first pack in cathedral going to rescue Cain , was so excited, drop was meh, but hey, no nephalem stacks yet, I started doing my Leoric Runs, got some nice items on the way, discovered that packs got enrage, but it reseteable if you flee, so after few decent Leoric runs, i got up too 400 resistance all, i decided to move on and killed Spider Queen, but didn't move on, decided to farm that a bit, after a while with some drops, some sells and some bought items, i managed to get 600 resistance all while wearing a nice shield i got dropped, i usually equiped that when i sad Fast o teleporter packs, because i knew i will take damage. But with shield and 600 resistance all, i was able to tank stuff pretty no problem, so i got overconfident and started shout stuff from almost melee range, and then on last pack while clearing prison sells to get to Jailor Boss, i got killed by pretty nasty pack of Jailer, molten, vortex, fire chains....the end for now =)
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FetTerBender
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany1393 Posts
June 14 2012 13:26 GMT
#125
On June 14 2012 22:20 blackone wrote:
Yes, they'll only nerf Act 2-4, and the incoming damage reduction for coop games is already active, so Act 1 Inferno won't change at all.


They will adjust the drop rates thou, so you will be able to find ilvl 63 stuff in A1 inferno if you wait. Slow but safe, just sayin...
There's a fine line between bravery and stupidity.
Cosmos
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium1077 Posts
June 14 2012 13:33 GMT
#126
While it's true, it is sad that you can't play PvP with hardcore characters.
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Artrey
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany270 Posts
June 14 2012 13:43 GMT
#127
On June 14 2012 22:33 Cosmos wrote:
While it's true, it is sad that you can't play PvP with hardcore characters.


It's sad that there is no permadeath pvp on arena release, but normal pvp is going to be awesome still.

Hope they add a duel to death with spectator mode and a bet system. And winner takes losers gear! Probably never gonna happen, but I will continue to dream.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
June 14 2012 14:02 GMT
#128
On June 14 2012 22:24 Greem wrote:
I also bought D3 only for HC experience, there is no point progressing with possibility of death, items just loose value for me, and since its a game about items, well it doesn't make sense to me. Softcore should be tuned and death should be punished in way harsher way tthen just lose of durability. Anyway with 3 second smokescreen i started HC with Demon Hunter, i was thinking its the best class for soloing , since i do prefer play solo whenever i feel to play, so i started, i died from lag at level 55 in hell difficulty in Spider Queen boss, i got huge lag when adds come out , survived that, but when lag was gone, queen apeared and i couldn't move, in my screen i clicking to move away, but ingame after the click i still was standing still and wasnt moving, so eventually i ran out of discipline of spaming smoescreen and not running away from her front attack , and vuala first RIP. The second RIP was at my second DH, already quick FIX to smokescreen came along, and so in act 3 hell dificulty i got a pack of Phase Beast, nasty creatures for Ranged class, i remember it was Ilusionist , jailer and teleporter, so ye , just couldnt escape, even that when i saw the pack coming i was runing for my life, i knew 2x teleport and ilusionist is just going to kill me with the state of survavility after Smoke Screen fix. I couldn't! 2nd RIP! I was already preparing for Inferno, and resistances to all were bothering me, DH doesn't have any real skill that improve you resistance to all , or skills like near death experience , example would be witch doctor. I did kill stuff quickly and mostly from 45 yards, problems were with packs with teleport, fast, and those nasty Phase Beasts monsters. My third , and for now Final character was Wizard, i did choose it simply because of armor spell, and because i was used to kiting, and playing right away with melee character wasn't easy swtich. So i rushed up to Hell like no problem, cleared hell with some help of weapon from AH, and then started farming bit by bit Inferno, i did a lot of runs getting tomes,not entering the cathedral, because of the fact that you cant get out if pack is watining for you in some generated maps,i only proseed if i see couple zombies eating corpse and wooden door ahead, even then im ready to use teleport with wormhole glyph to safely reset situation (For those who dont know it alows you to blink 3-4 times in a row). I cleared my first pack in cathedral going to rescue Cain , was so excited, drop was meh, but hey, no nephalem stacks yet, I started doing my Leoric Runs, got some nice items on the way, discovered that packs got enrage, but it reseteable if you flee, so after few decent Leoric runs, i got up too 400 resistance all, i decided to move on and killed Spider Queen, but didn't move on, decided to farm that a bit, after a while with some drops, some sells and some bought items, i managed to get 600 resistance all while wearing a nice shield i got dropped, i usually equiped that when i sad Fast o teleporter packs, because i knew i will take damage. But with shield and 600 resistance all, i was able to tank stuff pretty no problem, so i got overconfident and started shout stuff from almost melee range, and then on last pack while clearing prison sells to get to Jailor Boss, i got killed by pretty nasty pack of Jailer, molten, vortex, fire chains....the end for now =)


To summarize: DH's take metric fucktons of damage if hit, and is a very dicey and unreliable class to play in HC. I dont recommend it for anyone who isn't hell bent on playing just a DH as their first HC char.
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
June 14 2012 14:07 GMT
#129
On June 14 2012 22:33 Cosmos wrote:
While it's true, it is sad that you can't play PvP with hardcore characters.



What the fuck?

Why wouldn't hardcore be able to PvP?

I highly doubt they wouldn't let people use the PvP arena thingy just cause you "die" in PvP, can't they just make that zone special and it doesn't matter?
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ibreakurface
Profile Joined June 2010
United States664 Posts
June 14 2012 14:16 GMT
#130
People have been telling me Barbarian get to be almost unplayable in inferno, is this true? I've been wanting to make a HC barbarian but I don't want to insta die. How well can a barb tank?
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1a2a3aPro
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 14:21:35
June 14 2012 14:20 GMT
#131
On June 14 2012 23:16 ibreakurface wrote:
People have been telling me Barbarian get to be almost unplayable in inferno, is this true? I've been wanting to make a HC barbarian but I don't want to insta die. How well can a barb tank?


With very good gear, a tank barb is ez mode for inferno. Without very good gear, it's worst or near worst class.


On June 14 2012 23:07 N3rV[Green] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 22:33 Cosmos wrote:
While it's true, it is sad that you can't play PvP with hardcore characters.



What the fuck?

Why wouldn't hardcore be able to PvP?

I highly doubt they wouldn't let people use the PvP arena thingy just cause you "die" in PvP, can't they just make that zone special and it doesn't matter?


You should permanently die IMO. Hardcore PvP is only for people really hardcore .
Artrey
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany270 Posts
June 14 2012 14:22 GMT
#132
On June 14 2012 23:16 ibreakurface wrote:
People have been telling me Barbarian get to be almost unplayable in inferno, is this true? I've been wanting to make a HC barbarian but I don't want to insta die. How well can a barb tank?


It is totally the other way around. Barb is THE hc inferno class. You just build your character very different from softcore and it is far more about controlling the mobs instead of tanking them.

Still, Barbs can simply stand there and tank Belial with decent gear (string + 900 res [that is 600 items plus warcry] + 10k armor) while clothies get one or two shot with equal gear so there is almost no room for mistakes. ;-)
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
June 14 2012 14:55 GMT
#133
On June 14 2012 21:44 dmfg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 20:55 Monsen wrote:
I'm somewhat doubtful about the monk build. In the later stages of the game the ally tends to get twoshot and life per spirit becomes insignificant compared to lifepools of 60+ k. 15% more dps (blazing wrath) should be preferable to the spirit gain depending on your (team) setup. And one with everything is a latelatelatelategame passive for people with retardedly overpowered gear (aka all resist + the same resist type on all items). For everyone else it's close to useless.
Passing up on armor/dex seems weird, even vitality oriented (as you mentioned, all out vitality tends to be shitty anyway) gear surpasses 1.2k -1.5k dex
For starters I'd also recommend dashing strike or tempest rush to get out of creepblocks.


I think you should try playing HC before commenting on what builds are viable. It's a completely different game, because things before super late game actually matter in HC.

One with Everything is almost mandatory on any build, because you will want to stack your resists as high as possible starting pretty much from A2 NM onwards, and the auction house doesn't have the same level of insanely good dex/vit/resist all items that are available in SC.


I think my HC Monk died at lvl 52 to a disconnect.
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bOOgyWC
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany153 Posts
June 14 2012 15:58 GMT
#134
On June 14 2012 23:22 Artrey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 23:16 ibreakurface wrote:
People have been telling me Barbarian get to be almost unplayable in inferno, is this true? I've been wanting to make a HC barbarian but I don't want to insta die. How well can a barb tank?


It is totally the other way around. Barb is THE hc inferno class. You just build your character very different from softcore and it is far more about controlling the mobs instead of tanking them.

Still, Barbs can simply stand there and tank Belial with decent gear (string + 900 res [that is 600 items plus warcry] + 10k armor) while clothies get one or two shot with equal gear so there is almost no room for mistakes. ;-)


I agree. Barb is a good char in inferno. Got some frieds with similiar lvl of gear...which can progress solo...while i shit my pants in act1 inferno with WD.

oh well...until patch i think i can hunt all teh ev0l achievements there are which doenst involve inferno...
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
June 14 2012 16:13 GMT
#135
52 Monk dead, sold everything on sc -> buy stuff on hc -> get too confident -> walled/plague/molten, gg..

Checking bonus pool in sc2 ladder.. :DD
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
June 14 2012 16:23 GMT
#136
On June 14 2012 22:43 Artrey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 22:33 Cosmos wrote:
While it's true, it is sad that you can't play PvP with hardcore characters.


It's sad that there is no permadeath pvp on arena release, but normal pvp is going to be awesome still.

So there's going to be PvP for hardcore but if you die it's no prob and you get rezzed? How's that still hardcore?
Flik
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada256 Posts
June 14 2012 17:12 GMT
#137
I just got to hell on my monk. Do I need resistances yet? Should I start gearing towards it? What should my stat priorities be from here on out?
Artrey
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany270 Posts
June 14 2012 17:25 GMT
#138
On June 15 2012 01:23 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 22:43 Artrey wrote:
On June 14 2012 22:33 Cosmos wrote:
While it's true, it is sad that you can't play PvP with hardcore characters.


It's sad that there is no permadeath pvp on arena release, but normal pvp is going to be awesome still.

So there's going to be PvP for hardcore but if you die it's no prob and you get rezzed? How's that still hardcore?


Well, it's arena pvp for people who play hardcore mode? You do not "die", you just "play" around with other people? If that is the lore/fluff you need.

They were arguing internally how to do it and I think the conclusion was to make it non-permadeath pvp. Still there is an option of a duel mode some day, but for the start that is not gonna happen.
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
June 14 2012 18:47 GMT
#139
On June 15 2012 02:25 Artrey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 01:23 blackone wrote:
On June 14 2012 22:43 Artrey wrote:
On June 14 2012 22:33 Cosmos wrote:
While it's true, it is sad that you can't play PvP with hardcore characters.


It's sad that there is no permadeath pvp on arena release, but normal pvp is going to be awesome still.

So there's going to be PvP for hardcore but if you die it's no prob and you get rezzed? How's that still hardcore?


Well, it's arena pvp for people who play hardcore mode? You do not "die", you just "play" around with other people? If that is the lore/fluff you need.

They were arguing internally how to do it and I think the conclusion was to make it non-permadeath pvp. Still there is an option of a duel mode some day, but for the start that is not gonna happen.

I don't need lore or fluff, I want hardcore mode with permadeath everywhere.
MrMatt
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada225 Posts
June 14 2012 18:51 GMT
#140
I think it would be neat to set the stakes in hardcore. like bet gold items or duel to the death with both people agreeing on the terms.
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