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leser
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia239 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-29 21:16:56
September 29 2012 21:16 GMT
#2221
agreed, I started farming a3 with 32k unbuffed dps. I wasn't as fast as I am now, but I died roughly the same amount of times as I do now (had more stats in defense, so it was harder to die back then). As damage grows, the need for defense dissapears, at around 50k+ just make sure you get a weapon with lifesteal and you will be fine with 500-600 AR, depending on how good your reflexes and positioning are.

You can get decent (50k dps) gear for around 15-20 million tops nowadays, which is one semi-decent legendary drop. Just farm what you can until you get SOMETHING you're able to sell for that kind of cash, or slowly build it up if nothing drops and get as much crit/critdmg (favorize crit because spawning cyclones does wonders for clearing a huge amount of mobs in the duration of one serenity) as possible while trying to maintain around 30k life and 500-600 ar and at 50k+ dps a3 will be a breeze, with the cookie cutter BoH - Blind - Serenity - TC - Overawe - Cyclone build.
lulz
leser
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia239 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 21:07:24
October 01 2012 20:56 GMT
#2222
yeah okay. I've hit the 100k dps milestone (buffed with BoH though ^^).
profile

Sitting at 5.3k armor and 480AR (with owe). with a mid-end echoing fury (no critdmg or lifesteal, only socket) and a blaurgh offhand for 2.8% lifesteal.

Having some pretty good survivabilty with those stats, purely because of the damage output.

did some experimenting, and I can't for the life of me drop STI, I just die insanely fast. I wanted to use TR so bad instead of BoH or BF, but I am unable to do so yet.

Then I remembered that my resists are pretty low, and I should maybe try to gearswitch into pure AR without OWE. It's probably getting nerfed in one way or another in the future anyway, and with a measly 3.8k armor without STI or enchantress I don't seem to be able to tank as much as I would want to.

on the other hand, with a simple calculation of not-too-insane AR across every item, it seems to get me at about the same amount of AR as I am now with OWE.
+ Show Spoiler +

head = 40
shoulders = 70
chest = 60
gloves = 50
bracers = 40
legs = 60
feet = 50
amulet = 30
ring = 30
ring = 30

sum = 470, should be enough to drop OWE.


seeing as some of my next upgrades are going to be vile wards, natalya boots, chest with AR etc, it seems to me like a good idea to start just dropping fire resist all together and go the AR route and free up a passive slot.

Did anyone already do the switch to AR gear and dropped OWE? How has it been going for you guys?

I'm thinking of taking Exalted Soul in the future instead of OWE. I'll probalby be playing monster lvl 2-3, and trying to make TR work, mobs will be a bit tougher so it should be doable to fill up to 200+ish spirit and use it on TR to gain some more speed.

Also, for the monks that tried the PTR.
is dropping STI viable with 500ish resists for another passive? Beacon of ytar, chant of resonance for more out of combat spirit?
lulz
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-01 21:10:25
October 01 2012 21:09 GMT
#2223
On October 02 2012 05:56 leser wrote:
yeah okay. I've hit the 100k dps milestone (buffed with BoH though ^^).
profile

Sitting at 5.3k armor and 480AR (with owe). with a mid-end echoing fury (no critdmg or lifesteal, only socket) and a blaurgh offhand for 2.8% lifesteal.

Having some pretty good survivabilty with those stats, purely because of the damage output.

did some experimenting, and I can't for the life of me drop STI, I just die insanely fast. I wanted to use TR so bad instead of BoH or BF, but I am unable to do so yet.

Then I remembered that my resists are pretty low, and I should maybe try to gearswitch into pure AR without OWE. It's probably getting nerfed in one way or another in the future anyway, and with a measly 3.8k armor without STI or enchantress I don't seem to be able to tank as much as I would want to.

on the other hand, with a simple calculation of not-too-insane AR across every item, it seems to get me at about the same amount of AR as I am now with OWE.
+ Show Spoiler +

head = 40
shoulders = 70
chest = 60
gloves = 50
bracers = 40
legs = 60
feet = 50
amulet = 30
ring = 30
ring = 30

sum = 470, should be enough to drop OWE.


seeing as some of my next upgrades are going to be vile wards, natalya boots, chest with AR etc, it seems to me like a good idea to start just dropping fire resist all together and go the AR route and free up a passive slot.

Did anyone already do the switch to AR gear and dropped OWE? How has it been going for you guys?

I'm thinking of taking Exalted Soul in the future instead of OWE. I'll probalby be playing monster lvl 2-3, and trying to make TR work, mobs will be a bit tougher so it should be doable to fill up to 200+ish spirit and use it on TR to gain some more speed.

Also, for the monks that tried the PTR.
is dropping STI viable with 500ish resists for another passive? Beacon of ytar, chant of resonance for more out of combat passive?


Dropping STI really depends on what MP you are running, I was sitting ~75k unbuffed, and highest a3 MP I could do was 5. Beyond that stuff like phasebeasts/golgor/tremor get into 3 shot range, and I can't really handle that. At like MP1-2 though, you could probably drop STI and be okay(maybe, I have like 750-800 all resists and like 4.5k armor after STI on PTR)
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Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 01 2012 22:32 GMT
#2224
On September 30 2012 04:28 wooozy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 03:11 CarelessPride wrote:
On September 26 2012 12:34 Genesis08 wrote:
Question here for a knowledgeable monk. Played all the way through inferno on sc as monk and just now got to inferno and hc and don't want my monk to die. When is it viable to switch from a shield to a dual wield setup without sacrificing too much survivability? What are you most looking for on the offhand? LOH, lifesteal, dex/vit, crit dmg/socket, or what? And how much dps difference is ok? Here is my hc monk prof for reference: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TempesT-1866/


dont go duel wield unless your rich. you sacrafice way to much defense when you duel weild to make it efficent farming. for example if you spend 20 mil to duel wield you might farm act 2 inferno fairly safely but 1 bad pack like waller + sheilding + electify + reflect damage and ur fucked. while if you have a sheild with 20 mil. you can farm act 2 with ur eyes closed and you can farm act 3 with a barb. the only real way to be safe with duel wield is to have enough DPS that you don't need to worry about survive for more than 10 secs. imo thats 30k unbuffed for act 1 50k for act 2 and 80-100k in act 3. If u really wanna go duel wield ill suggest to wait till after 1.0.5 comes out


lol what

30-35k unbuffed is more than enough to farm a3 efficiently unless you're awful


The part you forgot to bold was *hardcore*. Admittedly, I don't know much about what HC requirements there are. but I know 30k dps in A3 will see more than an occasional death in softcore.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
October 02 2012 20:44 GMT
#2225
Just avoid keeps level 2 and your a3 deaths will plummet!
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
ihasaKAROT
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4730 Posts
October 03 2012 09:40 GMT
#2226
Nah man keep lvl2 is the best , dodging banelings and dodging explosions if they do get near you keeps the fun in the run for me
KCCO!
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
October 05 2012 03:39 GMT
#2227
Hey guys, I have just hit 60 mill gold, and I want to know what I should get with it.
A streamer told me to buy a sick weapon instead of set items and such, do you agree?

My profile

And if I do get a weapon should it be Echoing Fury?
Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
Lokrium
Profile Joined March 2011
United States131 Posts
October 05 2012 05:28 GMT
#2228
On October 05 2012 12:39 dangerjoe wrote:
Hey guys, I have just hit 60 mill gold, and I want to know what I should get with it.
A streamer told me to buy a sick weapon instead of set items and such, do you agree?

My profile

And if I do get a weapon should it be Echoing Fury?

If you already have Inna's Pants, then it seems kind of silly to not at least buy a second piece of Inna's for the set bonus. Also, the four-piece Inna's set bonus is very underestimated. It lets you permanently keep Sweeping Wind up without worrying about it ever dropping. This lets you set up an amazing sweeping wind at the start of a run, and assuming you don't die, keep it up for the whole run. Because Sweeping Wind takes a snapshot of your DPS when you first use it, you can change all your skills and passives to things that provide a flat dps bonus (like Blinding Flash's 30% bonus, and the 10% bonus of one of the runes in Inner Sanctuary), as well the doubled attack speed from a flying dragon, and therefore get a ridiculous sweeping wind for the rest of the run. Then just change all your skills and gear back to your normal build, and run like normal. Perhaps use a macro to press your sweeping wind button every 9 seconds.
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
October 05 2012 05:44 GMT
#2229
On October 05 2012 14:28 Lokrium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 12:39 dangerjoe wrote:
Hey guys, I have just hit 60 mill gold, and I want to know what I should get with it.
A streamer told me to buy a sick weapon instead of set items and such, do you agree?

My profile

And if I do get a weapon should it be Echoing Fury?

If you already have Inna's Pants, then it seems kind of silly to not at least buy a second piece of Inna's for the set bonus. Also, the four-piece Inna's set bonus is very underestimated. It lets you permanently keep Sweeping Wind up without worrying about it ever dropping. This lets you set up an amazing sweeping wind at the start of a run, and assuming you don't die, keep it up for the whole run. Because Sweeping Wind takes a snapshot of your DPS when you first use it, you can change all your skills and passives to things that provide a flat dps bonus (like Blinding Flash's 30% bonus, and the 10% bonus of one of the runes in Inner Sanctuary), as well the doubled attack speed from a flying dragon, and therefore get a ridiculous sweeping wind for the rest of the run. Then just change all your skills and gear back to your normal build, and run like normal. Perhaps use a macro to press your sweeping wind button every 9 seconds.


Sounds nice, but unfortunately the Inna's Glory I have is from the Legacy patch, so I don't think they will stack with the new Inna's items :/?

I will keep it in mind though, sounds like a sweet build if I ever get up to 4 Inna's pieces. Thanks
Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
Lokrium
Profile Joined March 2011
United States131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 08:22:17
October 05 2012 08:21 GMT
#2230
On October 05 2012 14:44 dangerjoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2012 14:28 Lokrium wrote:
On October 05 2012 12:39 dangerjoe wrote:
Hey guys, I have just hit 60 mill gold, and I want to know what I should get with it.
A streamer told me to buy a sick weapon instead of set items and such, do you agree?

My profile

And if I do get a weapon should it be Echoing Fury?

If you already have Inna's Pants, then it seems kind of silly to not at least buy a second piece of Inna's for the set bonus. Also, the four-piece Inna's set bonus is very underestimated. It lets you permanently keep Sweeping Wind up without worrying about it ever dropping. This lets you set up an amazing sweeping wind at the start of a run, and assuming you don't die, keep it up for the whole run. Because Sweeping Wind takes a snapshot of your DPS when you first use it, you can change all your skills and passives to things that provide a flat dps bonus (like Blinding Flash's 30% bonus, and the 10% bonus of one of the runes in Inner Sanctuary), as well the doubled attack speed from a flying dragon, and therefore get a ridiculous sweeping wind for the rest of the run. Then just change all your skills and gear back to your normal build, and run like normal. Perhaps use a macro to press your sweeping wind button every 9 seconds.


Sounds nice, but unfortunately the Inna's Glory I have is from the Legacy patch, so I don't think they will stack with the new Inna's items :/?

I will keep it in mind though, sounds like a sweet build if I ever get up to 4 Inna's pieces. Thanks

Didn't realize those were legacy Inna's lol. Since they are, you probably can't afford to get a full set of 4 Inna's pieces, and instead the streamer was probably right - just get a sick weapon. I'd also suggest putting magic find on as much of your gear as you can without compromising your dps/tank too much - it makes a huge difference in terms of drops and how often you get legendaries. Make sure your follower has magic find as well, on all their pieces including the weapon. (the MF weapons are Sun Keeper and The Grand Vizier. If you're on a budget, Blade of Prophecy is decent.)
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
October 05 2012 08:31 GMT
#2231
Hi quick question.

For "Shenlong's Fist of Legend", battlenet item list says +2 random properties but for all the ones I find in the AH, each time I can only find 1 additional property... (and yes I'm aware it can reroll an existing stat)
Same thing for "The Fist of Az'Turrasq".

Anyone know why ?
wooozy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3813 Posts
October 05 2012 08:58 GMT
#2232
On October 02 2012 07:32 Wuster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2012 04:28 wooozy wrote:
On September 30 2012 03:11 CarelessPride wrote:
On September 26 2012 12:34 Genesis08 wrote:
Question here for a knowledgeable monk. Played all the way through inferno on sc as monk and just now got to inferno and hc and don't want my monk to die. When is it viable to switch from a shield to a dual wield setup without sacrificing too much survivability? What are you most looking for on the offhand? LOH, lifesteal, dex/vit, crit dmg/socket, or what? And how much dps difference is ok? Here is my hc monk prof for reference: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/TempesT-1866/


dont go duel wield unless your rich. you sacrafice way to much defense when you duel weild to make it efficent farming. for example if you spend 20 mil to duel wield you might farm act 2 inferno fairly safely but 1 bad pack like waller + sheilding + electify + reflect damage and ur fucked. while if you have a sheild with 20 mil. you can farm act 2 with ur eyes closed and you can farm act 3 with a barb. the only real way to be safe with duel wield is to have enough DPS that you don't need to worry about survive for more than 10 secs. imo thats 30k unbuffed for act 1 50k for act 2 and 80-100k in act 3. If u really wanna go duel wield ill suggest to wait till after 1.0.5 comes out


lol what

30-35k unbuffed is more than enough to farm a3 efficiently unless you're awful


The part you forgot to bold was *hardcore*. Admittedly, I don't know much about what HC requirements there are. but I know 30k dps in A3 will see more than an occasional death in softcore.


ok, i may have overlooked the hardcore part, but his numbers are still horrendously off
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
October 05 2012 09:27 GMT
#2233
If it's hardcore the numbers are off by even more. It's nearly impossible to get 100k dps while maintaining survivable gear in HC. In fact the highest DPS monk in the world in HC only has 80k dps, there are only 4 people in the world with over 100k DPS in HC.
Burrfoot
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States1176 Posts
October 05 2012 13:32 GMT
#2234
On October 05 2012 17:31 Beamo wrote:
Hi quick question.

For "Shenlong's Fist of Legend", battlenet item list says +2 random properties but for all the ones I find in the AH, each time I can only find 1 additional property... (and yes I'm aware it can reroll an existing stat)
Same thing for "The Fist of Az'Turrasq".

Anyone know why ?


It's a well known issue with game guide saying more random prop than actually gets rolled. Whether its a typo or a nefarious plot to slowly patch/fix stuff so better items get out into the economy so people use the RMAH is anyone's guess! :-)

1.05 ptch notes only list the following fixed random rolls/new items to spend $ on heh
Mara's Kaleidoscope can now correctly roll 3 random affixes in addition to its 3 fixed affixes
Fixed an issue with Nagelring and Unity legendary rings which caused them to not drop
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Davlok-1847/career
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 15:26:42
October 05 2012 15:22 GMT
#2235
On October 05 2012 12:39 dangerjoe wrote:
Hey guys, I have just hit 60 mill gold, and I want to know what I should get with it.
A streamer told me to buy a sick weapon instead of set items and such, do you agree?

My profile

And if I do get a weapon should it be Echoing Fury?


Your weapons seem decent, I would focus on some other pieces. You have 0 dex on your chest! You could easily add like 100 dex there and up your DPS by 1000. Also the ring with only attack speed can be easily upgraded for a couple million although you may want to wait post patch. You should sacrfice a bit of defense on the helm and get something with crit chance, that will up your damage a lot. You also need some crit chance on your bracers. If you are somehow committed to that chest, at least switch out the amethysts for emeralds and up that dps. Seems like you're too concerned about survivability at the cost of a lot of DPS. For example, look at my character. I probably have like 200k less EHP than you, way crappier weapons, but am doing more damage and only die maybe 3-4 times per act 3 run (keep depths, siegebreaker, cydea, azmo). For some reason my battle.net profile link isn't working.

http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/alqahira-1183/Zoroaster/4934941

EDIT: I would say that is a total of about 30 million worth of gear on my character? Maybe a bit more. Anyway, you have tons of room to improve your non-weapon slots.

EDIT 2: Bnet profile link. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/alqahira-1183/hero/4934941
SC2Panda
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany25 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 17:54:08
October 05 2012 17:52 GMT
#2236
Any suggestions what I should improve first? I don't have very much gold.. ~600k ..
I do Warden / Butcher runs because I can't run act 2 easily .

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Panda-2836/hero/10055605
HerO ! HuK ! Naniwa ! White-Ra !
Grendel
Profile Joined November 2010
Belgium126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-05 19:33:10
October 05 2012 19:27 GMT
#2237
Heh, Monks are fun :D

Just finished Act 2 Inferno with only 16k hp and 16k damage, and only died twice. Very satisfying. More than Wizard and Demon Hunter.

Edit: at the guy above. There are a lot of things that you can improve on. To me it seems like your resistances are too low, and you should definitely try to increase your Critical Hit chance. You can get a lot on your Amulet (8% or so) and your gloves (8-10%).

Also maybe add some movespeed to your boots? I'm not sure if it's troubling you, but I really like my extra movement speed.

Another suggestion is to add some gear with resistances to something specific and use One With Everything as a passive. It will boost your survivability by a lot.
Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
October 05 2012 21:37 GMT
#2238
On October 06 2012 02:52 SC2Panda wrote:
Any suggestions what I should improve first? I don't have very much gold.. ~600k ..
I do Warden / Butcher runs because I can't run act 2 easily .

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Panda-2836/hero/10055605


I feel pretty comfortable at ~600 resists / 4.5k armor in A2 with Overawe and a two defensive abilities. Today I did a run with only Blinding Flash and it seemed pretty safe too.

So I would assume you can do A2 with Hard Target and a couple defensive abilities. Just watch out for things like mummy corpse poison clouds, wasps and the berzerker smash attack and of course ground effects will hurt with your low resists.

But some improvements you could look for: bracers without crit are cheap and boots without runspeed are cheap. So you could look there to up your resistances. You can also pare back on some vitality if stuff is still too expensive - most monks seem to sit around 30k.
Interneting
Profile Joined July 2011
United States23 Posts
October 05 2012 21:43 GMT
#2239
It's a few pages back since we were discussing the viability of Tempest Rush for Act 3, but I've been trying hard to make it work and I think I'm at a good place with it. This is a short video I made of running Keep Depths 2 and 3 as concisely as I can using TR for movement between packs and better positioning on elites. I made this because most videos I see on youtube of Monks using TR don't make it look very effective when at higher levels of play it's at least as good as cookie cutter.



Link to my gear and build at the time I made this video at d3up

The skill build itself without gear from bnet
Tilorn91
Profile Joined July 2012
Serbia218 Posts
October 07 2012 13:44 GMT
#2240
Hi again guise, a friend of mine showed me this build and I like it quite a bit! The idea is to drop the blind for DR foresight, and drop resolve / fleet footed for combinatioin strike, resulting in a hefty dps increase!

My link: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Tilorn-1602/hero/387807

And with the above and enchantress, I'm at 92k dps steamrolling everything. Hope this helps!
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