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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 13 2012 16:49 GMT
#1821
@TheYango

can you elaborate on spec and gear for throw specs? I know some others have posted some builds here and there but I don't think I saw many with the defensive skills you mention. Appreciate it! My end goal is to smash act3/4 as a pure 2h or d/w face smash barb as easily as I do act1/2 but that's a long way away. I wouldn't mind experimenting with this in the meantime.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 17:12:57
June 13 2012 16:59 GMT
#1822
base: battle rage +fury
war cry +fury or +resist
weapon throw +split or seimic slam +15fury
charge +hp and/or leap +armor or +stun
ruthless passive
weapon master passive

weapon throw extras:
no escape passive (with weapon throw)
spear +flip

optional extras:
overpower +crit
stomp +aoe
shout +terror or +slow
wotb +insanity or +duration per fury
sprint +marathon
earthquake +anything
lifesteal passive
standard defensive passives

optional hybrid melee:
frenzy+maniac
ignore pain +time

edit: you wanna stack
1. crit%
2. movespeed
3. AS/critdmg
4. str
5. vit/resist/armor

really good legendaries:
andariel's visage
pride of cassius
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 17:16:12
June 13 2012 17:11 GMT
#1823
I wonder how low you could get a +Str Flavor of Time for. Other classes would consider it a poor random prop, but I dunno if that would drop the price enough.

EDIT: Holy shit, Pride of Cassius is cheap as dirt. Nobody thinks those things are worth anything, rofl.
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kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 17:19:18
June 13 2012 17:14 GMT
#1824
On June 14 2012 01:28 TheYango wrote:
Tried the Stupefy build. It seems well suited for Hardcore because of its safety, but it progresses too slowly on large packs, so its not that good for Softcore because in Softcore you want high clearing speed to farm quickly, even at the cost of safety.

That said, my experimentation with Weapon Throw has led me to the belief that, secretly, Weapon Throw/Seismic Slam Barbs are the most OP ranged class in the game:
1) Resource management. With the right gear and spec (crit chance, -fury cost on Weapon Throw/crit chance on Seismic Slam, No Escape + Into the Fray), resource management is a non-issue. Compared to Wizards and DHs that have to alternate their primary damage dealer with a non-resource spender, Barbs can continue using their prime DPS ability without having to resort to a basic ability.
2) Survivability. A pure ranged class with Barbarian's defensive CDs is straight-up impossible to kill. Fighting the same packs with my Wiz and my Barb, it's actually easier to kite with Weapon Throw Barb because Leap is up so damn often. Not to mention that even if Leap is down, Barb has more room for fall-back defensive CDs that are not linked to your DPS resource.
3) Steroids/Burst damage. I don't think Wizards/DHs have anything that can compare to a Barbarian's ability to simply nuke down an Elite pack. Nothing can match a 100% damage, 10% crit, 25% aspd steroid, and they don't have abilities that do 2000% weapon damage in an AoE.

The gear for this stuff is comparatively cheap now. I think I'm going to get my Wizzy started on Siegebreaker runs, and use the income to start really playing around with 2H Weapon Throw/Seismic specs.


A while ago, there were builds coming up using the Seismic Slam build with the Fury Reduction and Battle Rage with Into the Fray. Does anyone have experience on how well this fares against Inferno Elite packs? I don't believe that elites are subject to the knockback mechanic. Or is it the usual hit and run style? If so, MS would be a vital stat.

That being said, I never liked the tank Barbarian spec. The heart of Diablo games is hack-and-slash and going for macimum defense isn't my cup of tea. Now with better gear available, being able to output more than 10k-15k with tank builds in favor of 30-40k as 2H seems more viable.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
June 13 2012 17:19 GMT
#1825
On June 14 2012 02:11 TheYango wrote:
I wonder how low you could get a +Str Flavor of Time for. Other classes would consider it a poor random prop, but I dunno if that would drop the price enough.

EDIT: Holy shit, Pride of Cassius is cheap as dirt. Nobody thinks those things are worth anything, rofl.

yea it's cus pride of cassius is not that good for standard barbs lol
movespeed caps at +25% so eventually u wanna stop capping it, and you can get some sick stats on amulets anyway (+crit, crit%, str, as, etc) but iirc flavor of time is really cheap so it might be a good placeholder
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
June 13 2012 17:22 GMT
#1826
On June 14 2012 02:14 kethers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 01:28 TheYango wrote:
Tried the Stupefy build. It seems well suited for Hardcore because of its safety, but it progresses too slowly on large packs, so its not that good for Softcore because in Softcore you want high clearing speed to farm quickly, even at the cost of safety.

That said, my experimentation with Weapon Throw has led me to the belief that, secretly, Weapon Throw/Seismic Slam Barbs are the most OP ranged class in the game:
1) Resource management. With the right gear and spec (crit chance, -fury cost on Weapon Throw/crit chance on Seismic Slam, No Escape + Into the Fray), resource management is a non-issue. Compared to Wizards and DHs that have to alternate their primary damage dealer with a non-resource spender, Barbs can continue using their prime DPS ability without having to resort to a basic ability.
2) Survivability. A pure ranged class with Barbarian's defensive CDs is straight-up impossible to kill. Fighting the same packs with my Wiz and my Barb, it's actually easier to kite with Weapon Throw Barb because Leap is up so damn often. Not to mention that even if Leap is down, Barb has more room for fall-back defensive CDs that are not linked to your DPS resource.
3) Steroids/Burst damage. I don't think Wizards/DHs have anything that can compare to a Barbarian's ability to simply nuke down an Elite pack. Nothing can match a 100% damage, 10% crit, 25% aspd steroid, and they don't have abilities that do 2000% weapon damage in an AoE.

The gear for this stuff is comparatively cheap now. I think I'm going to get my Wizzy started on Siegebreaker runs, and use the income to start really playing around with 2H Weapon Throw/Seismic specs.


A while ago, there were builds coming up using the Seismic Slam build with the Fury Reduction and Battle Rage with Into the Fray. Does anyone have experience on how well this fares against Inferno Elite packs? I don't believe that elites are subject to the knockback mechanic. Or is it the usual hit and run style? If so, MS would be a vital stat.

That being said, I never liked the tank Barbarian spec. The heart of Diablo games is hack-and-slash and going for macimum defense isn't my cup of tea. Now with better gear available, being able to output more than 10k-15k with tank builds in favor of 30-40k as 2H seems more viable.

elites still get knockbacked
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 13 2012 17:23 GMT
#1827
I mean, it's question of getting +25% ms from 12% boots, +6-7% Pride of Cassius, +6-7% Lacuni Prowlers, and +6-7% Flavor of Time.

Pride is obviously a good buy because it's so cheap right now for what it gives. Between Prowlers and Flavor, I guess it would come down to how good of one you can get, and what else you can get in that slot.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
June 13 2012 17:25 GMT
#1828
Why are people stacking MS on barbs? I thought that's only important with the kiting classes?
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
June 13 2012 17:26 GMT
#1829
On June 14 2012 02:22 Dead9 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2012 02:14 kethers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 01:28 TheYango wrote:
Tried the Stupefy build. It seems well suited for Hardcore because of its safety, but it progresses too slowly on large packs, so its not that good for Softcore because in Softcore you want high clearing speed to farm quickly, even at the cost of safety.

That said, my experimentation with Weapon Throw has led me to the belief that, secretly, Weapon Throw/Seismic Slam Barbs are the most OP ranged class in the game:
1) Resource management. With the right gear and spec (crit chance, -fury cost on Weapon Throw/crit chance on Seismic Slam, No Escape + Into the Fray), resource management is a non-issue. Compared to Wizards and DHs that have to alternate their primary damage dealer with a non-resource spender, Barbs can continue using their prime DPS ability without having to resort to a basic ability.
2) Survivability. A pure ranged class with Barbarian's defensive CDs is straight-up impossible to kill. Fighting the same packs with my Wiz and my Barb, it's actually easier to kite with Weapon Throw Barb because Leap is up so damn often. Not to mention that even if Leap is down, Barb has more room for fall-back defensive CDs that are not linked to your DPS resource.
3) Steroids/Burst damage. I don't think Wizards/DHs have anything that can compare to a Barbarian's ability to simply nuke down an Elite pack. Nothing can match a 100% damage, 10% crit, 25% aspd steroid, and they don't have abilities that do 2000% weapon damage in an AoE.

The gear for this stuff is comparatively cheap now. I think I'm going to get my Wizzy started on Siegebreaker runs, and use the income to start really playing around with 2H Weapon Throw/Seismic specs.


A while ago, there were builds coming up using the Seismic Slam build with the Fury Reduction and Battle Rage with Into the Fray. Does anyone have experience on how well this fares against Inferno Elite packs? I don't believe that elites are subject to the knockback mechanic. Or is it the usual hit and run style? If so, MS would be a vital stat.

That being said, I never liked the tank Barbarian spec. The heart of Diablo games is hack-and-slash and going for macimum defense isn't my cup of tea. Now with better gear available, being able to output more than 10k-15k with tank builds in favor of 30-40k as 2H seems more viable.

elites still get knockbacked


Hmm, I'll have to try it out again then. To my experience, and I could be wrong, elites and boss types aren't subject to knock back mechanic from Seismic Slam.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 17:26:33
June 13 2012 17:26 GMT
#1830
On June 14 2012 02:25 trinxified wrote:
Why are people stacking MS on barbs? I thought that's only important with the kiting classes?

Didn't you get the memo? Barbarians are a ranged class now.

A friend just messaged me that he still has a +Str Andy's Visage that hasn't sold yet that he can let me use. I am SO making this happen.
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crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
June 13 2012 17:27 GMT
#1831
On June 14 2012 02:26 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 02:25 trinxified wrote:
Why are people stacking MS on barbs? I thought that's only important with the kiting classes?

Didn't you get the memo? Barbarians are a ranged class now.

A friend just messaged me that he still has a +Str Andy's Visage that hasn't sold yet that he can let me use. I am SO making this happen.



if you ever need your own they aren't hard to get. My friend's rerolled barb bought a 188 str andy's for 675K. =o
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
June 13 2012 17:28 GMT
#1832
On June 14 2012 02:23 TheYango wrote:
I mean, it's question of getting +25% ms from 12% boots, +6-7% Pride of Cassius, +6-7% Lacuni Prowlers, and +6-7% Flavor of Time.

Pride is obviously a good buy because it's so cheap right now for what it gives. Between Prowlers and Flavor, I guess it would come down to how good of one you can get, and what else you can get in that slot.

there's also tyrael's might
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 17:31:35
June 13 2012 17:31 GMT
#1833
On June 14 2012 02:26 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 02:25 trinxified wrote:
Why are people stacking MS on barbs? I thought that's only important with the kiting classes?

Didn't you get the memo? Barbarians are a ranged class now.

A friend just messaged me that he still has a +Str Andy's Visage that hasn't sold yet that he can let me use. I am SO making this happen.


Damn I haven't heard that. I just finished Inferno Diablo on my Wizard yesterday and re-rolled my Barb. I'm now level 51, so I'm getting ready to build...

Is that the new things now? Weapon throw?
Krowser
Profile Joined August 2007
Canada788 Posts
June 13 2012 17:35 GMT
#1834
Did anyone seriously try out Dread Bomb?
D3 and Pho, the way to go. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=340709
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 17:41:12
June 13 2012 17:40 GMT
#1835
On June 14 2012 02:35 Krowser wrote:
Did anyone seriously try out Dread Bomb?

it's hilarious, might work with a hybrid build
realistically though seismic or hammer are better
would be funny to oneshot people in pvp tho

edit: + Show Spoiler +
darkcloud8282
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada776 Posts
June 13 2012 18:00 GMT
#1836
How do you deal with invulnerable minions using a weapon throw build?
kethers
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States719 Posts
June 13 2012 18:00 GMT
#1837
On June 14 2012 02:25 trinxified wrote:
Why are people stacking MS on barbs? I thought that's only important with the kiting classes?


The benefits of MS on Barbarian are not limited to kiting only. MS helps with chasing/closing distance for ranged mobs, running to wait for a certain CD on a skill, as well as dodging incoming projectiles/Mortar.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 13 2012 18:03 GMT
#1838
On June 14 2012 03:00 darkcloud8282 wrote:
How do you deal with invulnerable minions using a weapon throw build?

Well, seeing as Ricochet is the go-to rune choice, I assume the standard course of action would be just kite as normal, and hope the minions don't dilute your damage too much.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-13 18:05:20
June 13 2012 18:04 GMT
#1839
On June 14 2012 03:00 darkcloud8282 wrote:
How do you deal with invulnerable minions using a weapon throw build?

u walk around them

edit: the issue is u don't can't get enough fury back, especially since weapon throws will often waste all their bounces on minions
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 13 2012 18:06 GMT
#1840
On June 14 2012 03:04 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 14 2012 03:00 darkcloud8282 wrote:
How do you deal with invulnerable minions using a weapon throw build?

u walk around them

edit: the issue is u don't can't get enough fury back, especially since weapon throws will often waste all their bounces on minions

Right, forgot that hits on invuln minions just go "Immune!", so you can't crit.
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