EPTcan you elaborate on spec and gear for throw specs? I know some others have posted some builds here and there but I don't think I saw many with the defensive skills you mention. Appreciate it! My end goal is to smash act3/4 as a pure 2h or d/w face smash barb as easily as I do act1/2 but that's a long way away. I wouldn't mind experimenting with this in the meantime.
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crms
United States11933 Posts
can you elaborate on spec and gear for throw specs? I know some others have posted some builds here and there but I don't think I saw many with the defensive skills you mention. Appreciate it! My end goal is to smash act3/4 as a pure 2h or d/w face smash barb as easily as I do act1/2 but that's a long way away. I wouldn't mind experimenting with this in the meantime. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
war cry +fury or +resist weapon throw +split or seimic slam +15fury charge +hp and/or leap +armor or +stun ruthless passive weapon master passive weapon throw extras: no escape passive (with weapon throw) spear +flip optional extras: overpower +crit stomp +aoe shout +terror or +slow wotb +insanity or +duration per fury sprint +marathon earthquake +anything lifesteal passive standard defensive passives optional hybrid melee: frenzy+maniac ignore pain +time edit: you wanna stack 1. crit% 2. movespeed 3. AS/critdmg 4. str 5. vit/resist/armor really good legendaries: andariel's visage pride of cassius | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
EDIT: Holy shit, Pride of Cassius is cheap as dirt. Nobody thinks those things are worth anything, rofl. | ||
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On June 14 2012 01:28 TheYango wrote: Tried the Stupefy build. It seems well suited for Hardcore because of its safety, but it progresses too slowly on large packs, so its not that good for Softcore because in Softcore you want high clearing speed to farm quickly, even at the cost of safety. That said, my experimentation with Weapon Throw has led me to the belief that, secretly, Weapon Throw/Seismic Slam Barbs are the most OP ranged class in the game: 1) Resource management. With the right gear and spec (crit chance, -fury cost on Weapon Throw/crit chance on Seismic Slam, No Escape + Into the Fray), resource management is a non-issue. Compared to Wizards and DHs that have to alternate their primary damage dealer with a non-resource spender, Barbs can continue using their prime DPS ability without having to resort to a basic ability. 2) Survivability. A pure ranged class with Barbarian's defensive CDs is straight-up impossible to kill. Fighting the same packs with my Wiz and my Barb, it's actually easier to kite with Weapon Throw Barb because Leap is up so damn often. Not to mention that even if Leap is down, Barb has more room for fall-back defensive CDs that are not linked to your DPS resource. 3) Steroids/Burst damage. I don't think Wizards/DHs have anything that can compare to a Barbarian's ability to simply nuke down an Elite pack. Nothing can match a 100% damage, 10% crit, 25% aspd steroid, and they don't have abilities that do 2000% weapon damage in an AoE. The gear for this stuff is comparatively cheap now. I think I'm going to get my Wizzy started on Siegebreaker runs, and use the income to start really playing around with 2H Weapon Throw/Seismic specs. A while ago, there were builds coming up using the Seismic Slam build with the Fury Reduction and Battle Rage with Into the Fray. Does anyone have experience on how well this fares against Inferno Elite packs? I don't believe that elites are subject to the knockback mechanic. Or is it the usual hit and run style? If so, MS would be a vital stat. That being said, I never liked the tank Barbarian spec. The heart of Diablo games is hack-and-slash and going for macimum defense isn't my cup of tea. Now with better gear available, being able to output more than 10k-15k with tank builds in favor of 30-40k as 2H seems more viable. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:11 TheYango wrote: I wonder how low you could get a +Str Flavor of Time for. Other classes would consider it a poor random prop, but I dunno if that would drop the price enough. EDIT: Holy shit, Pride of Cassius is cheap as dirt. Nobody thinks those things are worth anything, rofl. yea it's cus pride of cassius is not that good for standard barbs lol movespeed caps at +25% so eventually u wanna stop capping it, and you can get some sick stats on amulets anyway (+crit, crit%, str, as, etc) but iirc flavor of time is really cheap so it might be a good placeholder | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:14 kethers wrote: A while ago, there were builds coming up using the Seismic Slam build with the Fury Reduction and Battle Rage with Into the Fray. Does anyone have experience on how well this fares against Inferno Elite packs? I don't believe that elites are subject to the knockback mechanic. Or is it the usual hit and run style? If so, MS would be a vital stat. That being said, I never liked the tank Barbarian spec. The heart of Diablo games is hack-and-slash and going for macimum defense isn't my cup of tea. Now with better gear available, being able to output more than 10k-15k with tank builds in favor of 30-40k as 2H seems more viable. elites still get knockbacked | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Pride is obviously a good buy because it's so cheap right now for what it gives. Between Prowlers and Flavor, I guess it would come down to how good of one you can get, and what else you can get in that slot. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:22 Dead9 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 14 2012 02:14 kethers wrote: A while ago, there were builds coming up using the Seismic Slam build with the Fury Reduction and Battle Rage with Into the Fray. Does anyone have experience on how well this fares against Inferno Elite packs? I don't believe that elites are subject to the knockback mechanic. Or is it the usual hit and run style? If so, MS would be a vital stat. That being said, I never liked the tank Barbarian spec. The heart of Diablo games is hack-and-slash and going for macimum defense isn't my cup of tea. Now with better gear available, being able to output more than 10k-15k with tank builds in favor of 30-40k as 2H seems more viable. elites still get knockbacked Hmm, I'll have to try it out again then. To my experience, and I could be wrong, elites and boss types aren't subject to knock back mechanic from Seismic Slam. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:25 trinxified wrote: Why are people stacking MS on barbs? I thought that's only important with the kiting classes? Didn't you get the memo? Barbarians are a ranged class now. A friend just messaged me that he still has a +Str Andy's Visage that hasn't sold yet that he can let me use. I am SO making this happen. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:26 TheYango wrote: Didn't you get the memo? Barbarians are a ranged class now. A friend just messaged me that he still has a +Str Andy's Visage that hasn't sold yet that he can let me use. I am SO making this happen. if you ever need your own they aren't hard to get. My friend's rerolled barb bought a 188 str andy's for 675K. =o | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:23 TheYango wrote: I mean, it's question of getting +25% ms from 12% boots, +6-7% Pride of Cassius, +6-7% Lacuni Prowlers, and +6-7% Flavor of Time. Pride is obviously a good buy because it's so cheap right now for what it gives. Between Prowlers and Flavor, I guess it would come down to how good of one you can get, and what else you can get in that slot. there's also tyrael's might | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:26 TheYango wrote: Didn't you get the memo? Barbarians are a ranged class now. A friend just messaged me that he still has a +Str Andy's Visage that hasn't sold yet that he can let me use. I am SO making this happen. Damn I haven't heard that. I just finished Inferno Diablo on my Wizard yesterday and re-rolled my Barb. I'm now level 51, so I'm getting ready to build... Is that the new things now? Weapon throw? | ||
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Krowser
Canada788 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:35 Krowser wrote: Did anyone seriously try out Dread Bomb? it's hilarious, might work with a hybrid build realistically though seismic or hammer are better would be funny to oneshot people in pvp tho edit: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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darkcloud8282
Canada776 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On June 14 2012 02:25 trinxified wrote: Why are people stacking MS on barbs? I thought that's only important with the kiting classes? The benefits of MS on Barbarian are not limited to kiting only. MS helps with chasing/closing distance for ranged mobs, running to wait for a certain CD on a skill, as well as dodging incoming projectiles/Mortar. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:00 darkcloud8282 wrote: How do you deal with invulnerable minions using a weapon throw build? Well, seeing as Ricochet is the go-to rune choice, I assume the standard course of action would be just kite as normal, and hope the minions don't dilute your damage too much. | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:00 darkcloud8282 wrote: How do you deal with invulnerable minions using a weapon throw build? u walk around them edit: the issue is u don't can't get enough fury back, especially since weapon throws will often waste all their bounces on minions | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 14 2012 03:04 Dead9 wrote: u walk around them edit: the issue is u don't can't get enough fury back, especially since weapon throws will often waste all their bounces on minions Right, forgot that hits on invuln minions just go "Immune!", so you can't crit. | ||
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