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similarly to me I came back with outdated gear and sold a new drop for 200m. I upgraded my chest to IK as well as my helm since i did not have a socket. I also picked up a Blade of the Warlord to test it out as my main hand (over 1k dps and socketed). So far I like the new mighty weapon as an extra source of life gain and damage.
So looking at your brother's stuff IK pieces and better mainhand weapon i think are the way to go
EDIT: I noticed he has no extra movespeed gear... get that first!!! works wonders
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On October 31 2012 07:12 Stratos.FEAR wrote:similarly to me I came back with outdated gear and sold a new drop for 200m. I upgraded my chest to IK as well as my helm since i did not have a socket. I also picked up a Blade of the Warlord to test it out as my main hand (over 1k dps and socketed). So far I like the new mighty weapon as an extra source of life gain and damage. So looking at your brother's stuff IK pieces and better mainhand weapon i think are the way to go EDIT: I noticed he has no extra movespeed gear... get that first!!! works wonders
Blade of the Warlord will not give u a high dps and I never liked it tbh. Try getting a Skorn with ls
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http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Haike-1482/hero/105268
Yo guys been a long time since i updated myself here. Anyway this is my current barb, upgrades now cost an arm and a leg for me  im still debating if its worth it to go Lacuni Bracers for 12% more move speed,but my bracers are pretty hard to replace.
What do you guys think?
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On October 31 2012 09:06 Mithhaike wrote:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Haike-1482/hero/105268Yo guys been a long time since i updated myself here. Anyway this is my current barb, upgrades now cost an arm and a leg for me im still debating if its worth it to go Lacuni Bracers for 12% more move speed,but my bracers are pretty hard to replace. What do you guys think?
Do u want to farm faster ? if so then get the lacuni's
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On October 31 2012 09:06 Mithhaike wrote:http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Haike-1482/hero/105268Yo guys been a long time since i updated myself here. Anyway this is my current barb, upgrades now cost an arm and a leg for me im still debating if its worth it to go Lacuni Bracers for 12% more move speed,but my bracers are pretty hard to replace. What do you guys think?
Even if you drop some dps, an extra 12% move speed will be well worth it. I was so stubborn to get the additional move speed for a long time, but once I finally did, I never regretted it once. Makes farming much more efficient.
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Whew, just got an Echoing Fury drop with a socket and fairly high DPS. Was a Dex/Int roll, unfortunately but by putting it in my main hand and swapping my main hand with my offhand, I gained 20k DPS (from 80->100k.) Unfortunately I lost 7k life (57k->50k), but I haven't really had any problems farming MP 1 Act 3 as far as life goes. Just decided to give WW another chance the other day, and I'm really enjoying it this time around but I still suck at keeping WotB up.
Edit: Didn't even think about this, but the sword I replaced had 600 LoH and 2.5 LS. Will have to see how it works out, I guess. D:
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On October 31 2012 04:00 LingsAreBunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2012 10:16 Big G wrote:On October 30 2012 08:05 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
2h ww is viable and you can still farm fairly efficiently with it, but imo I still think dw is better as I feel 2h doesnt really provide anything that dw doesnt, but it will make it significantly harder to keep up wotb. even with a 14xx dps/300 str/27x cd skorn my dps was less than 5% higher than dw. The fury generation, while still can be sufficient, was a lot less than dw, which means it was a lot harder to keep up wotb with a 2h weapon. stacking attack speed can be and should be done with both for the extra fury generation so thats not really an issue.
as for life on hit, I tried getting around 400-500, and honestly I barely noticed a different when running hota. While the proc coefficient is high, healing 500 hp from a 5000 reflect means almost nothing, and neither is healing 500 on top of the 10k+ healed from a crit. vs health link most of the time you can just make sure you are hitting more than one at a time, I feel that the scenarios where loh is useful is so few that its definitely not worth paying for, only pick it up if it comes for free. Well, a good Skorn like the one I have gives you a good amount of additional dps and enough life steal to free every other slot. Apart from that, I agree that keeping wotb up is very very hard. I put in overpower (killing spree) in place of wotb since I was using it too rarely to make a difference; I'll give it a try again if I manage to buy a good Mempo with cc and the inevitable Witching Hour (yeah I'm dreaming). The main reason to get a Skorn though is the sinergy with amazing spells like HotA and Rend, so I strongly suggest to buy a good one to whoever likes to switch build every now and then. For reference: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 (new amulet!) the lifesteal is nice, but with dw you can drop a fairly minor chunk of dps to get lifesteal if you really need it. the dps increase isnt that noticeable either, I get less than a 10% dps increase switching to a skorn, and I definitely lose more than 10% dps from not having wotb up most of the time, not having the cc immunity, and also its a lot harder to build up frenzy-maniac stacks for HotA builds. As for synergy with other spells, the only one that skorn works better with than dw is rend, since I dont think that benefits from extra attack speed. For HotA skorn is the exact same as dw, slower hits with higher damage vs dw. my current setup: https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163
HotA is more efficient with a 2H since it does much more damage per fury spent, unless you're able to constantly spam it like a primary attack - which requires a precise build.
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You can constantly spam hota with a standard WW build.
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yeah, its actually pretty spammable, I use it about 80-90% of the time, frenzy is there mostly for that 20% more damage and to have fury to start up.
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Oh god... I was talking about switching builds and you guys can only think of WW? Really?
I KNOW that it's spammable with WW, that's exactly the point. Try any other build (HotA - furios charge?) and you can't.
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On October 31 2012 18:22 Big G wrote:
Oh god... I was talking about switching builds and you guys can only think of WW? Really?
I KNOW that it's spammable with WW, that's exactly the point. Try any other build (HotA - furios charge?) and you can't.
Well, I'm really REALLY liking my current setup for high MP farming - why not give this a try?
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hairy-1750/hero/2281818
I don't see why you need a "precise build" to spam HOTA - you pretty much just need Battle Rage: Into the Fray. With the above build, I am able to do something like:
~5 HOTA
Rend
1-2 Bash
Repeat
I'm using Bash with its 18% instead of Frenzy-Maniac with its 20%, because it's faster to get it fully stacked (3 attacks instead of 5), and it gives me much more fury, which I need to maintain the above cycle. With frenzy I felt that I was spending less time doing HOTA and more time using frenzy due to fury, which obviously isn't a good trade for just 2% extra damage buff. The only downside is that you don't get a visible buff like you do with frenzy so it's harder to time optimally, but with a bit of practice it's ok.
It seems incredibly, incredibly effective. I'm thinking that if I replace my Stone of Jordan with a barb one with -fury cost to HOTA it will be amazing, but I expect that to be incredibly mad expensive. Hey, maybe I can pick up a bargain.
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On October 31 2012 18:46 Hairy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2012 18:22 Big G wrote:
Oh god... I was talking about switching builds and you guys can only think of WW? Really?
I KNOW that it's spammable with WW, that's exactly the point. Try any other build (HotA - furios charge?) and you can't. Well, I'm really REALLY liking my current setup for high MP farming - why not give this a try? http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Hairy-1750/hero/2281818
Eh, I used something similar for a bit but it requires a 2H. Furious Charge - Merciless Assault can take care of large packs easily, with enough dps you can oneshot white mobs and keep bouncing back and forth while using HotA for elites. That's exactly the type of build I was talking about, a good Skorn makes it sooo much better.
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Using a very different weapon style AND a different build doesn't sound that similar, tbh  For someone apparently looking for new builds, I'm surprised you pretty much immediately discarded the suggestion.
I don't see why the build I linked above would be dramatically improved (or improved at all) by using a 2H. It's true that HOTA is more fury-efficient if you're using a 2H weapon, but given the cycle I described above, I often am not really short of fury at all. It's also true that rend is better with a 2H, but....
... we need to spend 1-2 attacks every 5 seconds maintaining the bash buff. This is very quick with DW, so a greater percentage of my time is spent doing HOTA instead of bash. Given that HOTA is AOE, and substantially more damage, I suspect you should at least make up the damage lost in Rend (if not more). DW also means that your fury income is much greater, so it's pretty easy to maintain WOTB indefinitely, and your healing income is "smoother" and less spiky due to the higher frequency of (smaller) heals.
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On October 31 2012 21:31 Hairy wrote:Using a very different weapon style AND a different build doesn't sound that similar, tbh For someone apparently looking for new builds, I'm surprised you pretty much immediately discarded the suggestion. I don't see why the build I linked above would be dramatically improved (or improved at all) by using a 2H. It's true that HOTA is more fury-efficient if you're using a 2H weapon, but given the cycle I described above, I often am not really short of fury at all. It's also true that rend is better with a 2H, but.... ... we need to spend 1-2 attacks every 5 seconds maintaining the bash buff. This is very quick with DW, so a greater percentage of my time is spent doing HOTA instead of bash. Given that HOTA is AOE, and substantially more damage, I suspect you should at least make up the damage lost in Rend (if not more). DW also means that your fury income is much greater, so it's pretty easy to maintain WOTB indefinitely, and your healing income is "smoother" and less spiky due to the higher frequency of (smaller) heals.
I was talking about my version with Furious Charge. As I said, with a good Skorn that's all the AoE you need since you can oneshot white mobs (tuning MP accordingly) with superior mobility.
I don't particularly like sprint rend and hota together (I tried it exactly in the first 2 days of 1.0.5), it seems two very different styles in one. Sprint and rend make an awesome playstyle, similar to WW's... engage a big pack, rend, sprint around, rend from a different angle. That's almost a necessity to optimize the only drawback Rend has (5" duration); but it's very fury intensive. In this situation either you don't need to spam hota, or you just can't. I would use good old revenge or overpower for survivability/dps instead, if your main dps source is hota (in fact it's what I've done).
Anyway, as I said, I wasn't suggesting to buy a 2H, nor I was discarding your build. :D That was just my experience with the build I was most comfortable with.
Edit: I gave probably the impression that I think that a 2H is generally superior to DW. But I strongly believe the opposite. I just think that a 2H is a powerful tool to have fun with a lot of different builds, and that it can be a lot cheaper than 2 equally good 1H.
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Sprint was there purely for mobility - note that I'm using marathon, which makes it nearly double the duration and substantially faster. I'm using this purely for murdering high MP elites very quickly, and for bosses. Keyfarming, basically. For the uber bosses themselves, I may use a different rend rune, and perhaps drop sprint for War Cry. Not sure what I prefer yet.
If I want to just farm I'll use sprint/ww on a very low MP instead.
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i know what Marathon does, I used it for almost 2 months.
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Okay, it's just that your description of how the build works sounds VERY different to how this is playing out. You sound like you're sprinting around and focusing on rend for AOE damage (which made me think you didn't notice I wasn't using Run Like the Wind).
"engage a big pack, rend, sprint around, rend from a different angle"
"In this situation either you don't need to spam hota, or you just can't".
What I'm doing is pretty much standing still, focusing on huge raw damage with HOTA, and rend simply adds even more raw damage to my primary target while also killing other trash. If I'm engaging a big pack I just go straight to the juicy mob(s) and start my cycle; HOTA's aoe and rend usually takes care of the other targets. The amount of raw damage is so large that even without the healing rune on rend you can facetank a lot of stuff.
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On October 31 2012 22:54 Hairy wrote:
Okay, it's just that your description of how the build works sounds VERY different to how this is playing out. You sound like you're sprinting around and focusing on rend for AOE damage (which made me think you didn't notice I wasn't using Run Like the Wind).
"engage a big pack, rend, sprint around, rend from a different angle"
"In this situation either you don't need to spam hota, or you just can't".
What I'm doing is pretty much standing still, focusing on huge raw damage with HOTA, and rend simply adds even more raw damage to my primary target while also killing other trash. If I'm engaging a big pack I just go straight to the juicy mob(s) and start my cycle; HOTA's aoe and rend usually takes care of the other targets. The amount of raw damage is so large that even without the healing rune on rend you can facetank a lot of stuff.
No, I described the usual synergy between Sprint and Rend. As I said, due to the 5" duration Rend is very effective only if you sprint around and rend as many mobs as you can while the bleeding takes effect. If you stand still and use hota for damage, that's an entire different style and as I said I don't think Rend adds much to that. I would rather use, for example, Overpower - Killing Spree (free to cast AoE, huge dps buff, nice synergy with b.rage and hota, doesn't stop attack and sprint animation).
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im usually in groups so im playing a more defensive style still using hota for good dps but keeping the ability to tank for everyone with it so ive gone high hp and using hota for lifesteal but anyway the best skill ive found for synergy with hota is stomp (wrenching smash) it clumps all the trash up so that you can do 400% dmg to all of them even with the smaller aoe and then its still a solid defensive skill and very helpful for my dps allies but it still works out well soloing too 
any advice for my barb? i can solo mp7 without dying to anything other than rediculous elite combos but its a bit slower than i would like and i certainly would like to move up to higher levels so do you think some simple upgrades would work or should i change the theory behind my gear entirely?
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/WaZ-1854/hero/20269737
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On November 01 2012 00:29 WaZ wrote:im usually in groups so im playing a more defensive style still using hota for good dps but keeping the ability to tank for everyone with it so ive gone high hp and using hota for lifesteal but anyway the best skill ive found for synergy with hota is stomp (wrenching smash) it clumps all the trash up so that you can do 400% dmg to all of them even with the smaller aoe and then its still a solid defensive skill and very helpful for my dps allies but it still works out well soloing too any advice for my barb? i can solo mp7 without dying to anything other than rediculous elite combos but its a bit slower than i would like and i certainly would like to move up to higher levels so do you think some simple upgrades would work or should i change the theory behind my gear entirely? http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/WaZ-1854/hero/20269737
96k hp seems insanely unnecessary...even for a tank barb. Up your dps and drop some hp if you have to.
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