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RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#3441
I think having a skorn with 5+LF for a ww barb is a must then u stack atk speed on your other armor.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
October 29 2012 22:01 GMT
#3442
On October 30 2012 06:11 RusHXceL wrote:
I think having a skorn with 5+LF for a ww barb is a must then u stack atk speed on your other armor.


Is 2H WW actually good? That was my favorite in D2 so I'd love that. How do you spec/gear for it? Same as DW with just lots of crit?
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Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
October 29 2012 22:16 GMT
#3443
Sometimes I wish that amazing ring I found was not so good for a Barbarian so I could play with the money I would get... but I get the feeling it is as close to a best in slot as you can get on a ring.

Given I seem to not find good stuff other than the ocasional great drop for myself (Vile Ward was also a drop) what would you guys encourage me to look out for?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Usagi-2407/hero/7262165
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 29 2012 22:39 GMT
#3444
On October 30 2012 07:01 hunts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 06:11 RusHXceL wrote:
I think having a skorn with 5+LF for a ww barb is a must then u stack atk speed on your other armor.


Is 2H WW actually good? That was my favorite in D2 so I'd love that. How do you spec/gear for it? Same as DW with just lots of crit?


yes 2H WW is good. Shoulders,chest,pants,and boots stack up lots of strength,vit and all res. Ammy,gloves,and rings get atk speed with cc. get lacuni's for your bracers. get a belt for LS. I would try go for a skorn with LS. Mostly the skorn is going to give u all the CD u need.
hunts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2113 Posts
October 29 2012 22:44 GMT
#3445
On October 30 2012 07:39 RusHXceL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 07:01 hunts wrote:
On October 30 2012 06:11 RusHXceL wrote:
I think having a skorn with 5+LF for a ww barb is a must then u stack atk speed on your other armor.


Is 2H WW actually good? That was my favorite in D2 so I'd love that. How do you spec/gear for it? Same as DW with just lots of crit?


yes 2H WW is good. Shoulders,chest,pants,and boots stack up lots of strength,vit and all res. Ammy,gloves,and rings get atk speed with cc. get lacuni's for your bracers. get a belt for LS. I would try go for a skorn with LS. Mostly the skorn is going to give u all the CD u need.


Thanks. Here's my barb, think I'd need to change a lot of my gear to try this? I don't have any IAS as it's always been worthless for revenge spam, but I do have a decent amount of crit I think.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/hunts-1629/hero/13785460

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LingsAreBunnies
Profile Joined September 2011
United States103 Posts
October 29 2012 23:05 GMT
#3446
2h ww is viable and you can still farm fairly efficiently with it, but imo I still think dw is better as I feel 2h doesnt really provide anything that dw doesnt, but it will make it significantly harder to keep up wotb. even with a 14xx dps/300 str/27x cd skorn my dps was less than 5% higher than dw. The fury generation, while still can be sufficient, was a lot less than dw, which means it was a lot harder to keep up wotb with a 2h weapon. stacking attack speed can be and should be done with both for the extra fury generation so thats not really an issue.

as for life on hit, I tried getting around 400-500, and honestly I barely noticed a different when running hota. While the proc coefficient is high, healing 500 hp from a 5000 reflect means almost nothing, and neither is healing 500 on top of the 10k+ healed from a crit. vs health link most of the time you can just make sure you are hitting more than one at a time, I feel that the scenarios where loh is useful is so few that its definitely not worth paying for, only pick it up if it comes for free.
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
October 29 2012 23:06 GMT
#3447
On October 30 2012 07:16 Usagi wrote:
Sometimes I wish that amazing ring I found was not so good for a Barbarian so I could play with the money I would get... but I get the feeling it is as close to a best in slot as you can get on a ring.

Given I seem to not find good stuff other than the ocasional great drop for myself (Vile Ward was also a drop) what would you guys encourage me to look out for?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Usagi-2407/hero/7262165


Helm would be a big upgrade.
Andariels are cheap and that would give a big boost.
100 more strength, 9% ias, and 0.5 more crit.

Your main hand is weak too..
I use something almost exactly to that
but instead of low str and vit they are both around 240 each.
Its also does about 100 more dps. My main hand cost about 120k a month ago so you should be able find an upgrade for really cheap..
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
October 30 2012 01:16 GMT
#3448
On October 30 2012 08:05 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
2h ww is viable and you can still farm fairly efficiently with it, but imo I still think dw is better as I feel 2h doesnt really provide anything that dw doesnt, but it will make it significantly harder to keep up wotb. even with a 14xx dps/300 str/27x cd skorn my dps was less than 5% higher than dw. The fury generation, while still can be sufficient, was a lot less than dw, which means it was a lot harder to keep up wotb with a 2h weapon. stacking attack speed can be and should be done with both for the extra fury generation so thats not really an issue.

as for life on hit, I tried getting around 400-500, and honestly I barely noticed a different when running hota. While the proc coefficient is high, healing 500 hp from a 5000 reflect means almost nothing, and neither is healing 500 on top of the 10k+ healed from a crit. vs health link most of the time you can just make sure you are hitting more than one at a time, I feel that the scenarios where loh is useful is so few that its definitely not worth paying for, only pick it up if it comes for free.

Well, a good Skorn like the one I have gives you a good amount of additional dps and enough life steal to free every other slot. Apart from that, I agree that keeping wotb up is very very hard. I put in overpower (killing spree) in place of wotb since I was using it too rarely to make a difference; I'll give it a try again if I manage to buy a good Mempo with cc and the inevitable Witching Hour (yeah I'm dreaming).

The main reason to get a Skorn though is the sinergy with amazing spells like HotA and Rend, so I strongly suggest to buy a good one to whoever likes to switch build every now and then.

For reference: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 (new amulet!)
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 01:59:54
October 30 2012 01:58 GMT
#3449
On October 30 2012 10:16 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 08:05 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
2h ww is viable and you can still farm fairly efficiently with it, but imo I still think dw is better as I feel 2h doesnt really provide anything that dw doesnt, but it will make it significantly harder to keep up wotb. even with a 14xx dps/300 str/27x cd skorn my dps was less than 5% higher than dw. The fury generation, while still can be sufficient, was a lot less than dw, which means it was a lot harder to keep up wotb with a 2h weapon. stacking attack speed can be and should be done with both for the extra fury generation so thats not really an issue.

as for life on hit, I tried getting around 400-500, and honestly I barely noticed a different when running hota. While the proc coefficient is high, healing 500 hp from a 5000 reflect means almost nothing, and neither is healing 500 on top of the 10k+ healed from a crit. vs health link most of the time you can just make sure you are hitting more than one at a time, I feel that the scenarios where loh is useful is so few that its definitely not worth paying for, only pick it up if it comes for free.

Well, a good Skorn like the one I have gives you a good amount of additional dps and enough life steal to free every other slot. Apart from that, I agree that keeping wotb up is very very hard. I put in overpower (killing spree) in place of wotb since I was using it too rarely to make a difference; I'll give it a try again if I manage to buy a good Mempo with cc and the inevitable Witching Hour (yeah I'm dreaming).

The main reason to get a Skorn though is the sinergy with amazing spells like HotA and Rend, so I strongly suggest to buy a good one to whoever likes to switch build every now and then.

For reference: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 (new amulet!)


I just brought a skorn almost the same as yours lol hahah

[image loading]

btw if u get a 2h stack atk speed :D

alexnos
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania32 Posts
October 30 2012 10:11 GMT
#3450
On October 30 2012 01:05 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 00:59 alexnos wrote:
On October 30 2012 00:29 Charger wrote:
Anyone have any rough numbers on how much lifesteal a 100k ww barb needs? I currently have 8.7% with bloodthurst at about 90k dps but I am thinking of upgrading my off hand and if I could go without lifesteal on it I could up my damage significantly.

Also, any thoughts on what to upgrade next? Have 70m to get to 100k+ dps. As stated above, I think I'm mostly going to focus on an off hand although my rings could use some work too I think. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Charger-1101/hero/23424149


I currently have 5.4% life steal and 142k dps ,unbuffed ,and it's fine.I do think 6% is enough over 100k dps.
A higher dps off hand would increase you dps considerably.
I would first change the left ring thou...


Thanks for the tip, I think I'll focus on left ring and off hand for now. Would you mind posting your profile?


My profile:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/NOS-2628/hero/1665858
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
October 30 2012 10:13 GMT
#3451
On October 30 2012 08:06 Amnesty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 07:16 Usagi wrote:
Sometimes I wish that amazing ring I found was not so good for a Barbarian so I could play with the money I would get... but I get the feeling it is as close to a best in slot as you can get on a ring.

Given I seem to not find good stuff other than the ocasional great drop for myself (Vile Ward was also a drop) what would you guys encourage me to look out for?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Usagi-2407/hero/7262165


Helm would be a big upgrade.
Andariels are cheap and that would give a big boost.
100 more strength, 9% ias, and 0.5 more crit.

Your main hand is weak too..
I use something almost exactly to that
but instead of low str and vit they are both around 240 each.
Its also does about 100 more dps. My main hand cost about 120k a month ago so you should be able find an upgrade for really cheap..

Thankyou!
I will look for those, I really lost track on andariels, and I think I was looking for way better weapons.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
October 30 2012 11:38 GMT
#3452
You should be stacking attack speed on your gear anyway with sprint/ww spec! More attack speed means more fury from sprints, and whirlwind EATS fury faster, which means that WOTB is easier to maintain (fury gained while at max fury doesn't count). Additionally, you get more fury generation from Bash, too!
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-30 13:42:38
October 30 2012 12:03 GMT
#3453
I got a andariel's for 250k that was
8% ias
10% + fire
30% nova
168 STR
80 VIT
4.5 crit
NO socket

Feels great with the extra IAS. Wonder if it is affordable to get a IAS IK irons, or where to get more IAS given I have 1 ring with it already, that is within a couple millions budget.
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
October 30 2012 13:58 GMT
#3454
On October 30 2012 10:58 RusHXceL wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2012 10:16 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 08:05 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
2h ww is viable and you can still farm fairly efficiently with it, but imo I still think dw is better as I feel 2h doesnt really provide anything that dw doesnt, but it will make it significantly harder to keep up wotb. even with a 14xx dps/300 str/27x cd skorn my dps was less than 5% higher than dw. The fury generation, while still can be sufficient, was a lot less than dw, which means it was a lot harder to keep up wotb with a 2h weapon. stacking attack speed can be and should be done with both for the extra fury generation so thats not really an issue.

as for life on hit, I tried getting around 400-500, and honestly I barely noticed a different when running hota. While the proc coefficient is high, healing 500 hp from a 5000 reflect means almost nothing, and neither is healing 500 on top of the 10k+ healed from a crit. vs health link most of the time you can just make sure you are hitting more than one at a time, I feel that the scenarios where loh is useful is so few that its definitely not worth paying for, only pick it up if it comes for free.

Well, a good Skorn like the one I have gives you a good amount of additional dps and enough life steal to free every other slot. Apart from that, I agree that keeping wotb up is very very hard. I put in overpower (killing spree) in place of wotb since I was using it too rarely to make a difference; I'll give it a try again if I manage to buy a good Mempo with cc and the inevitable Witching Hour (yeah I'm dreaming).

The main reason to get a Skorn though is the sinergy with amazing spells like HotA and Rend, so I strongly suggest to buy a good one to whoever likes to switch build every now and then.

For reference: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 (new amulet!)


I just brought a skorn almost the same as yours lol hahah

[image loading]

btw if u get a 2h stack atk speed :D



Just curious how much you paid for your skorn (wondering if I can afford one with lifesteal)?



I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
October 30 2012 14:20 GMT
#3455
On October 30 2012 22:58 bruteMax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 10:58 RusHXceL wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2012 10:16 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 08:05 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
2h ww is viable and you can still farm fairly efficiently with it, but imo I still think dw is better as I feel 2h doesnt really provide anything that dw doesnt, but it will make it significantly harder to keep up wotb. even with a 14xx dps/300 str/27x cd skorn my dps was less than 5% higher than dw. The fury generation, while still can be sufficient, was a lot less than dw, which means it was a lot harder to keep up wotb with a 2h weapon. stacking attack speed can be and should be done with both for the extra fury generation so thats not really an issue.

as for life on hit, I tried getting around 400-500, and honestly I barely noticed a different when running hota. While the proc coefficient is high, healing 500 hp from a 5000 reflect means almost nothing, and neither is healing 500 on top of the 10k+ healed from a crit. vs health link most of the time you can just make sure you are hitting more than one at a time, I feel that the scenarios where loh is useful is so few that its definitely not worth paying for, only pick it up if it comes for free.

Well, a good Skorn like the one I have gives you a good amount of additional dps and enough life steal to free every other slot. Apart from that, I agree that keeping wotb up is very very hard. I put in overpower (killing spree) in place of wotb since I was using it too rarely to make a difference; I'll give it a try again if I manage to buy a good Mempo with cc and the inevitable Witching Hour (yeah I'm dreaming).

The main reason to get a Skorn though is the sinergy with amazing spells like HotA and Rend, so I strongly suggest to buy a good one to whoever likes to switch build every now and then.

For reference: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 (new amulet!)


I just brought a skorn almost the same as yours lol hahah

[image loading]

btw if u get a 2h stack atk speed :D



Just curious how much you paid for your skorn (wondering if I can afford one with lifesteal)?





I looked yesterday. Cheapest one on NA with strength and 5+% lifesteal was 70m. His has a lot of natural crit so it's certainly worth much more than 70m.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
October 30 2012 17:08 GMT
#3456
Well that's way more than I can afford. I have a 1350dps skorn with 170crit and 330str that I paid ~10m for. The extra crit and l/s really is expensive!
I'm the benevolent dictator you've been looking for.
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 30 2012 18:03 GMT
#3457
On October 30 2012 22:58 bruteMax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 10:58 RusHXceL wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 30 2012 10:16 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 08:05 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
2h ww is viable and you can still farm fairly efficiently with it, but imo I still think dw is better as I feel 2h doesnt really provide anything that dw doesnt, but it will make it significantly harder to keep up wotb. even with a 14xx dps/300 str/27x cd skorn my dps was less than 5% higher than dw. The fury generation, while still can be sufficient, was a lot less than dw, which means it was a lot harder to keep up wotb with a 2h weapon. stacking attack speed can be and should be done with both for the extra fury generation so thats not really an issue.

as for life on hit, I tried getting around 400-500, and honestly I barely noticed a different when running hota. While the proc coefficient is high, healing 500 hp from a 5000 reflect means almost nothing, and neither is healing 500 on top of the 10k+ healed from a crit. vs health link most of the time you can just make sure you are hitting more than one at a time, I feel that the scenarios where loh is useful is so few that its definitely not worth paying for, only pick it up if it comes for free.

Well, a good Skorn like the one I have gives you a good amount of additional dps and enough life steal to free every other slot. Apart from that, I agree that keeping wotb up is very very hard. I put in overpower (killing spree) in place of wotb since I was using it too rarely to make a difference; I'll give it a try again if I manage to buy a good Mempo with cc and the inevitable Witching Hour (yeah I'm dreaming).

The main reason to get a Skorn though is the sinergy with amazing spells like HotA and Rend, so I strongly suggest to buy a good one to whoever likes to switch build every now and then.

For reference: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 (new amulet!)


I just brought a skorn almost the same as yours lol hahah

[image loading]

btw if u get a 2h stack atk speed :D



Just curious how much you paid for your skorn (wondering if I can afford one with lifesteal)?




I won it as bid for 400m. I think its worth more than that tho.
LingsAreBunnies
Profile Joined September 2011
United States103 Posts
October 30 2012 19:00 GMT
#3458
On October 30 2012 10:16 Big G wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2012 08:05 LingsAreBunnies wrote:
2h ww is viable and you can still farm fairly efficiently with it, but imo I still think dw is better as I feel 2h doesnt really provide anything that dw doesnt, but it will make it significantly harder to keep up wotb. even with a 14xx dps/300 str/27x cd skorn my dps was less than 5% higher than dw. The fury generation, while still can be sufficient, was a lot less than dw, which means it was a lot harder to keep up wotb with a 2h weapon. stacking attack speed can be and should be done with both for the extra fury generation so thats not really an issue.

as for life on hit, I tried getting around 400-500, and honestly I barely noticed a different when running hota. While the proc coefficient is high, healing 500 hp from a 5000 reflect means almost nothing, and neither is healing 500 on top of the 10k+ healed from a crit. vs health link most of the time you can just make sure you are hitting more than one at a time, I feel that the scenarios where loh is useful is so few that its definitely not worth paying for, only pick it up if it comes for free.

Well, a good Skorn like the one I have gives you a good amount of additional dps and enough life steal to free every other slot. Apart from that, I agree that keeping wotb up is very very hard. I put in overpower (killing spree) in place of wotb since I was using it too rarely to make a difference; I'll give it a try again if I manage to buy a good Mempo with cc and the inevitable Witching Hour (yeah I'm dreaming).

The main reason to get a Skorn though is the sinergy with amazing spells like HotA and Rend, so I strongly suggest to buy a good one to whoever likes to switch build every now and then.

For reference: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/BigG-2621/hero/412709 (new amulet!)


the lifesteal is nice, but with dw you can drop a fairly minor chunk of dps to get lifesteal if you really need it. the dps increase isnt that noticeable either, I get less than a 10% dps increase switching to a skorn, and I definitely lose more than 10% dps from not having wotb up most of the time, not having the cc immunity, and also its a lot harder to build up frenzy-maniac stacks for HotA builds. As for synergy with other spells, the only one that skorn works better with than dw is rend, since I dont think that benefits from extra attack speed. For HotA skorn is the exact same as dw, slower hits with higher damage vs dw.

my current setup:
https://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/INeedLings-1648/hero/3247163
HornyHerring
Profile Joined March 2011
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
October 30 2012 21:07 GMT
#3459
So my brother dropped a unity which he sold for 250 mil, so now he wants to invest in his char. What should he buy for that amount of cash?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/RustyPlastic-2675/hero/4780060
oh, hai
RusHXceL
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1004 Posts
October 30 2012 21:13 GMT
#3460
On October 31 2012 06:07 HornyHerring wrote:
So my brother dropped a unity which he sold for 250 mil, so now he wants to invest in his char. What should he buy for that amount of cash?

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/RustyPlastic-2675/hero/4780060


get a nice IK chest and maybe lacuni's?
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