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WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
August 28 2012 21:02 GMT
#1001
On August 28 2012 12:35 Charger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 13:38 Charger wrote:
Could use some help upgrading my mf wd. I can farm act 3 and I don't die a ton but since switching to pets my dps feels really low.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Charger-1101/hero/1879624


Would still love some input on this please.

Trying to figure out if I need to continue gearing up my WD or get one of my other chars mf'ed out.

Replace your weapon. For less than a mill, you should almost double your DPS.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Charger
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States2405 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 21:47:37
August 28 2012 21:45 GMT
#1002
On August 29 2012 06:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2012 12:35 Charger wrote:
On August 27 2012 13:38 Charger wrote:
Could use some help upgrading my mf wd. I can farm act 3 and I don't die a ton but since switching to pets my dps feels really low.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Charger-1101/hero/1879624


Would still love some input on this please.

Trying to figure out if I need to continue gearing up my WD or get one of my other chars mf'ed out.

Replace your weapon. For less than a mill, you should almost double your DPS.


Edit - FML, sorry man. My usual weapon when farming act 3 is an 824 dps knife with 65% cd + socket. That mf knife is only used when I am bored and lazy and wanna goof around act 1 or something lol.
It's easy to be a Monday morning quarterback.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-28 22:31:49
August 28 2012 22:30 GMT
#1003
Hey guys, this probably has an obvious answer but I figured I'd get more input. Would you take 5k HP and 50 All Resistance over 1.7 damage? To be specific, it's either 43k HP, +50 All Res, and 62.8k damage versus 48k HP and 64.5k damage.

I'm pretty sure the 5k HP and 50 AR is way superior, right? Build is Firebomb + Fire Pits, Dire Bats, Garg, Soul Harvest, Spirit Walk, Hex, VQ, PtV, and Spirit Vessel (also if anyone wants to give me input on my build, that's cool too).
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
August 28 2012 22:33 GMT
#1004
On August 29 2012 07:30 HolyArrow wrote:
Hey guys, this probably has an obvious answer but I figured I'd get more input. Would you take 5k HP and 50 All Resistance over 1.7 damage? To be specific, it's either 43k HP, +50 All Res, and 62.8k damage versus 48k HP and 64.5k damage.

I'm pretty sure the 5k HP and 50 AR is way superior, right? Build is Firebomb + Fire Pits, Dire Bats, Garg, Soul Harvest, Spirit Walk, Hex, VQ, PtV, and Spirit Vessel (also if anyone wants to give me input on my build, that's cool too).

After taking out those EHP stuff, you should still be able to facetank a few hits in A3/4. However, that small increase in damage isn't really worth it. If you trade off that amount of EHP for 5k+ dps, then I'd say it's worth it.
=Þ
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
August 29 2012 10:43 GMT
#1005
Sup guys, any other former Tank WDs in here? I played either a RoT-VQ Build or a Firepit+Spiderqueen+Grasp(Corpses)-PtV Build (both with other abilities that help to "tank" well > like Horrify with +Armor). I got like 50k HP, ~650 Resi all (incl. Resi from Int), 15k DPS, 1k LoH.

Now my questions: RoT still triggers LoH like it did before, right? But now i can spam it without VQ if i'm not mistaken (might add PtV then). Also might swap out Voodoo to finally pick up a summon for the summoner class. Does Big Stinker trigger LoH or do Burning dogs? Are there other LoH changes or even spells that are superior to the old pre 1.04 used LoH Tank spells?
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LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
August 29 2012 13:24 GMT
#1006
they changed the trigger rate on pet ae, i dont think its worth running those for procs.
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
August 29 2012 13:34 GMT
#1007
On August 29 2012 19:43 dezi wrote:
Sup guys, any other former Tank WDs in here? I played either a RoT-VQ Build or a Firepit+Spiderqueen+Grasp(Corpses)-PtV Build (both with other abilities that help to "tank" well > like Horrify with +Armor). I got like 50k HP, ~650 Resi all (incl. Resi from Int), 15k DPS, 1k LoH.

Now my questions: RoT still triggers LoH like it did before, right? But now i can spam it without VQ if i'm not mistaken (might add PtV then). Also might swap out Voodoo to finally pick up a summon for the summoner class. Does Big Stinker trigger LoH or do Burning dogs? Are there other LoH changes or even spells that are superior to the old pre 1.04 used LoH Tank spells?

You have stats of a monk O.o The question is, do you really need that much tankiness? With such stats, your pets are virtually indestructible, but with your dps it'll take forever to kill mobs. I have about 2/3 of your HP/allres but I am still able to take 2-3 stray hits when my pets are not attracting aggro or are dead.

Try to sacrifice a big chunk of survivability to increase your dps. The faster things die, the less you are required to tank. I don't think tanking is really viable nowadays; barbs gave up on tanking and are going pure dps with ww/sprint.
=Þ
Mech0z
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 13:46:35
August 29 2012 13:40 GMT
#1008
I have this now http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Skipper-2107/hero/269963 and 7½m gold. Any idear how I can make him better at grinding act3 (need more dmg) not sure if this build is the best, it aint really affected by crit so he dont scale well, but I can take a lot of hits. But I do NOT want to kite to survivie all the time
Heh_
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Singapore2712 Posts
August 29 2012 13:51 GMT
#1009
On August 29 2012 22:40 Mech0z wrote:
I have this now http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Skipper-2107/hero/269963 and 7½m gold. Any idear how I can make him better at grinding act3 (need more dmg) not sure if this build is the best, it aint really affected by crit so he dont scale well, but I can take a lot of hits

Shit you're tanky. It feels like I'm the only WD who runs around as a semi-glass cannon.

Now how to improve your dps:
Get a weapon with crit damage + socket and put a star emerald (or better) inside. LoH is nice, but only really useful for reflect damage elites. Don't get hit =)
Get a mojo with higher base damage. Your mojo has average damage, good int and average CC.
Upgrade your jewelry. Stack crit/attack speed/int. Do the same with your gloves.
Get a helm with more int. Helms can go up to 300 int; yours is pretty low. Get CC too. Same with bracers (except max int is 200) In general, get more int on your items.
Get better stats + max sockets on chest and pants. These 2 items can go up to 300 vit, so a large chunk of vit should come from here instead. Stick the best gems you can make into the sockets.
=Þ
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 14:07:48
August 29 2012 14:04 GMT
#1010
I jumped on the WD-tank bandwagon long ago and don't want to leave anytime soon so i wont drop surviveability for a bit more dps (tanking ghom head on without even moving is fun even if it takes long). Pulled additional champs packs? Who cares - can't die.

My char: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dezi-2634/hero/693734 (blocking is fun - still need a better shield i guess). Why i'm asking here: i wonder if pets now might be more viable (easier to manage than and i could drop VQ) than f.e. Slam Dance / ...
Also i'm not sure if RoT still is the best choice (not only LoH wise). F.e. corpse spiders now trigger LoH (not only the vase thrown), Flash Fire got buffed, ...
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Hydrolisko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Vanuatu1659 Posts
August 29 2012 18:57 GMT
#1011
has anyone tried the pets share thorns and life regen passive? how is it? is it a good idea to build around it?
adwodon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom592 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 23:00:18
August 29 2012 22:57 GMT
#1012
On August 30 2012 03:57 Hydrolisko wrote:
has anyone tried the pets share thorns and life regen passive? how is it? is it a good idea to build around it?


Right now I'd have to say no.

Pets tank really well with decent res, my pets rarely die in A3/4 with 600 res. Health globes heal pets up fine and with those res you can pick them up usually without getting rolled.

Life regen might be worth considering, maybe, but thorns no way, max thorns damage is 20k I think which is pathetic considering you'd have to be stacking loads and missing out on something somewhere. There are too many better passives I feel right now and pets really don't need the added survivability.

Personally Id have to say I'm considering making builds 'around' items rather than key passives. There is some new legendary which gives 20s reduced dog cool down, I think with added helm and passives you can get dogs to sub 10s cooldown which would make for a hilariously good sacrifice build.

Other than mana regen though it's hard to think up anything really all that interesting. Hoping the release new legendaries with more interesting build options.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
August 30 2012 00:00 GMT
#1013
I've seen a vid of someone with a 0 cd zombie dog+sacrifice.



It's too bad jewelry with reduced zombie dog are essentially impossible to find and are ridiculously priced =(.
Flummie
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands417 Posts
August 30 2012 11:51 GMT
#1014
http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/ObsidiaN-2217/hero/128330

My WD is a bit more glasscannon like I guess.
Ocassionally (especially at act 3) I like to run the following build:

http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#SRYgPT!aWd!YaccaZ

But I love to swap things around
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dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 01:07:53
August 31 2012 01:07 GMT
#1015
Just killed Diablo with the following build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#WRUYTb!adW!bbacYZ
Bad loot though ... pets died from time to time but they're very durable now.

Profile: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dezi-2634/hero/693734 ~18k DPS with PtV, ~50k HP, ~1k LoH, ~1k LpS, Shield!, +Block Items!

Felt a bit like the old D2 Nec
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DeltruS
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2214 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 06:32:50
August 31 2012 06:32 GMT
#1016
I found out a really really good build for WD. It feels like WW builds for barbs.

Build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#SfUdTR!YWT!accYaa
Items: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/deltrus-1901/hero/1692002

You have a base 13s spirit walk, so you only have to kill ~10 mobs to get constant spirit walk.

Basically the playstyle is to just spirit walk from room to room, using acid cloud on everything. When you get to an elite pack, you can own it with zombie bears in just a few seconds. With 24% movement speed, this build can just fly through content like no other spec before it.

One cool thing about gruesome feast is that you can just spam zombie bears onto elites as they feed you health orbs for mana, damage and hp. It makes all elites really easy.
http://grooveshark.com/#/deltrus/music
Tears.Of.The.Moon
Profile Joined September 2009
Slovenia715 Posts
August 31 2012 08:28 GMT
#1017
So i'm a 2h wd user and i have some question about attack speed and spell damage.

First of i'm wondering if attack speed affects pets damage, or is it based only of your weapon damage.

Second does atack speed afect DOT spells and if which ones.

Basicly i'm wondering if i use an slow 2h with a high base damage compared to an fast onehander with low base damage, will my pets do more damage and will acid cloud be more efective with it.
ヽ(´ー`)┌
WakaDoDo
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden1183 Posts
August 31 2012 08:34 GMT
#1018
On August 31 2012 15:32 DeltruS wrote:
I found out a really really good build for WD. It feels like WW builds for barbs.

Build: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#SfUdTR!YWT!accYaa
Items: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/deltrus-1901/hero/1692002

You have a base 13s spirit walk, so you only have to kill ~10 mobs to get constant spirit walk.

Basically the playstyle is to just spirit walk from room to room, using acid cloud on everything. When you get to an elite pack, you can own it with zombie bears in just a few seconds. With 24% movement speed, this build can just fly through content like no other spec before it.

One cool thing about gruesome feast is that you can just spam zombie bears onto elites as they feed you health orbs for mana, damage and hp. It makes all elites really easy.


Been using very similar skills http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/WakaDoDo-2746/hero/15069941. Passives are very different tho(why/how does a wd play without SV!?). I intend to pick up a Thing of The Deep mojo which comes with 20pick-up radius, then I'll use GF/GI.

My builds has yielded really good results for me. Reflect damage mobs takes a little longer in A3 then elites without it, but thats about it. Pets and enchantress makes a fine crew. We and a couple of bears mow down A3 like no tomorrow.

I'm so so jelly of those prowlers T_T. Actually somehow threw out my real bracers and had to buy new crappy ones D:
dezi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1536 Posts
August 31 2012 10:55 GMT
#1019
SV is wasted passive if you just don't die (Tank WD) and don't use much spells of the Spirit Realm.
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Mech0z
Profile Joined May 2009
Denmark22 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 12:10:38
August 31 2012 12:10 GMT
#1020
How important do you guys think attack speed is? According to the ingame dmg then attackspeed is worth a damm lot, but I suppose it have 0 effect in how much my lob blob does for example (As I will run out of mana very quickly) and I would think crit dmg or avg dmg is more important then than attack speed?

This is my char atm http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Skipper-2107/hero/269963 I want to change my second ring to one with crit hit , crit dmg and avg dmg instead (So I loose the 7 % atk speed)
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