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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 07 2012 04:06 KiWiKaKi wrote: And also btw I think i just found a build that give more experience per hour than archon, but it require pretty good gears care to share? | ||
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
And you get an Occulus with -4 seconds on teleport and possibly +% to spectral blades You just run around and cast blizzards on huge group of monsters and keep running and they all die If u got enough dps and you use spectral blades to kill elites or kill a group of monster if you are low on arcane power (occulus got arcane power on crit) On my first try I did 80m xp per hour without a leoric signet. The higest I ever got in archon is 77 There is still some tweaking possible for the choice of passives which I am currently testing | ||
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alQahira
United States511 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 07 2012 04:15 KiWiKaKi wrote: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#WljSQT!WXb!cYacZY And you get an Occulus with -4 seconds on teleport and possibly +% to spectral blades You just run around and cast blizzards on huge group of monsters and keep running and they all die If u got enough dps and you use spectral blades to kill elites or kill a group of monster if you are low on arcane power (occulus got arcane power on crit) On my first try I did 80m xp per hour without a leoric signet. The higest I ever got in archon is 77 There is still some tweaking possible for the choice of passives which I am currently testing interesting. i wonder if this would work with 150k dps; i'll try it out later, but dont think im geared for it. also, i take it you dont wait around to see if they drop anything good? | ||
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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KiWiKaKi
Canada691 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
on another note, can someone give me a recommendation on upgrading my dude? i have 40M. ignore the pants and boots as i am only using those for pickup radius and have other pants/boots that dont need to be upgraded. also, ignore the rings because i am using for the obvious experience. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dAPhREAk-1843/hero/3929813 i looked at a weapon with LS but they are crazy expensive (well above 40M), and also lacuni's with crit, which are absurdly expensive. thanks | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
On December 07 2012 04:15 KiWiKaKi wrote: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#WljSQT!WXb!cYacZY And you get an Occulus with -4 seconds on teleport and possibly +% to spectral blades You just run around and cast blizzards on huge group of monsters and keep running and they all die If u got enough dps and you use spectral blades to kill elites or kill a group of monster if you are low on arcane power (occulus got arcane power on crit) On my first try I did 80m xp per hour without a leoric signet. The higest I ever got in archon is 77 There is still some tweaking possible for the choice of passives which I am currently testing well if youre just after exp you can take most builds, include wormhole/scramble and run through mp0, even ignoring elites would be an option. but i (and most i guess) are after exp AND drops. and normal monsters drop a ton. i get like 50%+ of my rares and legs from them. leaving a good part of your potential gold/money behind to gain 1-10% more exp/hour doesnt sound like a good tradeoff to me. On December 07 2012 04:18 alQahira wrote: Wouldn't a hydra be better than spectral blades? At your dps level a hydra and a blizzard can probably kill a group of elites, and then you can just keep moving. I guess they could move out of its range or something... afair hydra stops firing if you move to far away. like a screen width or so. | ||
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AverageAsianDude
England91 Posts
are wizzards still using the same skills as before or what skills are the most optimal now? if you guys can let me know i'll be great help. i was level 60 last time i played btw and got stuck in act 2 if i recall correctly | ||
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kes
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hi, I am here again. should I focus on upgrading survivability to be able go higher than MP6 or is it time to start adding crit dmg to be able to kill things faster? phrase "everything is going smoohtly" varies depending on every each player. extra health mobs on mp6 often means like 15M+ hp, which is like 30+ seconds hammering that pack. is it "normal"? I am long time player of D2 and I was always proud that I was able to kill anything in no time even in full game (blizz sorc ftw) tldr: what "real" dps and what mp are you playing at? | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 09 2012 01:42 kes wrote: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Waritko-2774/hero/7067735 hi, I am here again. should I focus on upgrading survivability to be able go higher than MP6 or is it time to start adding crit dmg to be able to kill things faster? phrase "everything is going smoohtly" varies depending on every each player. extra health mobs on mp6 often means like 15M+ hp, which is like 30+ seconds hammering that pack. is it "normal"? I am long time player of D2 and I was always proud that I was able to kill anything in no time even in full game (blizz sorc ftw) tldr: what "real" dps and what mp are you playing at? am i missing something, or do you really have +0% movement speed? | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On December 09 2012 03:27 dAPhREAk wrote: am i missing something, or do you really have +0% movement speed? You are missing just one important thing  He's running CM/WW wormhole which means he isn't really using his feet much  That's actually one of the lesser mentioned bonuses about that style! You need need MS -- you can wormhole ad infinitum as long as you're clearing decently dense routes (which you will be for farming/stack hunting for ubers/etc) | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On December 09 2012 01:42 kes wrote: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Waritko-2774/hero/7067735 hi, I am here again. should I focus on upgrading survivability to be able go higher than MP6 or is it time to start adding crit dmg to be able to kill things faster? phrase "everything is going smoohtly" varies depending on every each player. extra health mobs on mp6 often means like 15M+ hp, which is like 30+ seconds hammering that pack. is it "normal"? I am long time player of D2 and I was always proud that I was able to kill anything in no time even in full game (blizz sorc ftw) tldr: what "real" dps and what mp are you playing at? Hey again man nice looking CM/WW style you got there, looks like it's been going well. I see you are close to running SNS -- and I bet you could run full SNS by adding in Shards instead of Crystal Shell with just a bit more armor/AR needed. Your CC and IAS are already more than enough for SNS on 17+ APOC, so that's really good. Now it's time to add a bit more mitigation (sustain is already great too - nice). Full SNS = ~8-9X sheet DPS multiplier on average (and possibly much higher depending on conditions), against a normal spread of single & group targets on a typical run Without Diamond Shards = ~6X sheet DPS multiplier Without shocking aspect + diamond shards = ~4X sheet DPS multiplier Once you are running FULL sns, you have still more options to push multiply your sheet DPS even higher without actually increasing it on paper. You can swap out wormhole in exchange for Meteor/Liquefy(or molten provided ~25+ APOC) and even exchange evocation for conflagration, which will work off molten impact's damage (but conflag doesn't actually add much DPS evidently, so only bother doing this if you can really keep a nice stream of molten impacts going). Another route is throwing in the+IAS Time Bubble if you're near a breakpoint (I think this won't apply to you since you're already at 2.73 or 3 from the looks of your IAS gear and weap). You can also use the +Dmg dealt% time bubble instead of wormhole -- solid choice for group play w/ ubers | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On December 09 2012 01:42 kes wrote: http://eu.battle.net/d3/en/profile/Waritko-2774/hero/7067735 hi, I am here again. should I focus on upgrading survivability to be able go higher than MP6 or is it time to start adding crit dmg to be able to kill things faster? phrase "everything is going smoohtly" varies depending on every each player. extra health mobs on mp6 often means like 15M+ hp, which is like 30+ seconds hammering that pack. is it "normal"? I am long time player of D2 and I was always proud that I was able to kill anything in no time even in full game (blizz sorc ftw) tldr: what "real" dps and what mp are you playing at? I would ur next step is upgrading your gloves and either one of rings or amny to trifecta. I would start with gloves you could drop .5 cc and vit and add critical dam shouldnt be that crazy in pricel. This will help kill stuff at a quicker pace at Higher mp lvls | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
example: Player running CM/WW no shards, no shocking aspect due to lower mitigations/cc/ias/whatever who also stacks CD, and therefore has say 170K sheet DPS, will kill things much slower than a player running full SNS @ 2.73+ attack speed but not stacking CD at only 100K DPS. It's crazy to think about, but that's how it works with CM/WW and SNS. tl;dr CD is not an upgrade for CM/WW & SNS until everything else is already squared away | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
On December 07 2012 04:28 dAPhREAk wrote: thanks kiwi. on another note, can someone give me a recommendation on upgrading my dude? i have 40M. ignore the pants and boots as i am only using those for pickup radius and have other pants/boots that dont need to be upgraded. also, ignore the rings because i am using for the obvious experience. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/profile/dAPhREAk-1843/hero/3929813 i looked at a weapon with LS but they are crazy expensive (well above 40M), and also lacuni's with crit, which are absurdly expensive. thanks I'm only a little higher than you in the DPS game (180k archon), but I can just switch a few pieces and be at 120k/2.8/50% CM/WW (3 APS if I use Tal's chest, but I stick to Zuni's to stay alive), gets me a lot of free rides on ubers. If you want to start working toward more versatile gear that will enable you to open up builds viable at higher MPs while still enabling fast farming, here are a few suggestions. 1) Helm. Swap out Tal's for Mempo with vit. You will lose 5.5 CC, but gain IAS, 40 AR, and some vit. Looking at 2-4 m here. 2) Amulet. Because you are losing CC on your helm, get an am with CC, IAS, and whatever other properties you want. You are effectively transfering the vit you have here to your helm as well, giving you more flexibility. ~5-10m 3)Bracer. Lacuni can be pretty expensive, but if you arent using lac w/ CC, I don't think they are worth using. For archon farming, since MS is important, maybe look for a Tyrael's w/ 2 sockets and replace bracer w/ a CC item if you don't want to spend 15-20m for reasonable lacunis. 5-10m switching to Tyrael's and using rare bracer. 4) It is possible to get a decent LS 1h for ~20m; the price difference between 2.3 and 2.9 LS is huge. Look for 1120 dps and 2.3 LS w/ socket, you should be able to find something in a few days for less than 20m. 15-20m OK so every item isn't good for CM, but the helm/am upgrades will start working IAS into your build which is a good first step. I'd pick up CC/IAS rings after that, storm crow with CC and chantodo's set to really get going with CM. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On December 09 2012 09:25 Eschaton wrote: I'm only a little higher than you in the DPS game (180k archon), but I can just switch a few pieces and be at 120k/2.8/50% CM/WW (3 APS if I use Tal's chest, but I stick to Zuni's to stay alive), gets me a lot of free rides on ubers. If you want to start working toward more versatile gear that will enable you to open up builds viable at higher MPs while still enabling fast farming, here are a few suggestions. 1) Helm. Swap out Tal's for Mempo with vit. You will lose 5.5 CC, but gain IAS, 40 AR, and some vit. Looking at 2-4 m here. 2) Amulet. Because you are losing CC on your helm, get an am with CC, IAS, and whatever other properties you want. You are effectively transfering the vit you have here to your helm as well, giving you more flexibility. ~5-10m 3)Bracer. Lacuni can be pretty expensive, but if you arent using lac w/ CC, I don't think they are worth using. For archon farming, since MS is important, maybe look for a Tyrael's w/ 2 sockets and replace bracer w/ a CC item if you don't want to spend 15-20m for reasonable lacunis. 5-10m switching to Tyrael's and using rare bracer. 4) It is possible to get a decent LS 1h for ~20m; the price difference between 2.3 and 2.9 LS is huge. Look for 1120 dps and 2.3 LS w/ socket, you should be able to find something in a few days for less than 20m. 15-20m OK so every item isn't good for CM, but the helm/am upgrades will start working IAS into your build which is a good first step. I'd pick up CC/IAS rings after that, storm crow with CC and chantodo's set to really get going with CM. cool, thanks. i actually ended up buying a witching hour for about 20M, which increased my dps about 18,000. lost a lot of vit and went down 40 AR, but it was worth it. this is likely incredibly irrational and stupid, but i never want to play the cm/ww build. i just dont like that playstyle. its sad that there really are no other viable builds on high mp. the best part is when i join uber groups on mp8+ and the monks/barbs complain that i am not tanking the ubers for them. lol. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
Totally understandable if you absolutely don't want to, but I figured i'd share my thoughts there since I was pretty much in your same mindset with regard to cm/ww previously | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
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