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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 16:04:27
June 07 2012 16:02 GMT
#2241
On June 08 2012 00:46 Elenar wrote:
OK, I got some awesome help from here how to gear up etc, and it boosted my dps from 22k to 34k. Ive got 1 million banked but I am not finding any wortyh items . What would you replace and what should i look for ?

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As none of the All Resist gear is over 50, I'd eventually replace all of it. You'll probably lose a little vitality, but the extra damage mitgation will save your life. Shoulders and Belt should go first. The Chest armor will probably be expensive to replace because it has so much Vit, but the All resist is soooo low. I'd try searching for 100 vit 100 int 50 All resist for the chest.

The rings and necklace, well it's up to you what you want to do with them. The weapon will probably be one of the last things you replace as that should be the most expensive buy.
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SoulWager
Profile Joined August 2010
United States464 Posts
June 07 2012 16:08 GMT
#2242
what's the point of IAS with a 2hander? It's just fake dps. If you're going for a crit mass build you want to start with a fast weapon, like a dagger.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
June 07 2012 16:12 GMT
#2243
On June 08 2012 01:08 SoulWager wrote:
what's the point of IAS with a 2hander? It's just fake dps. If you're going for a crit mass build you want to start with a fast weapon, like a dagger.


If he's using Arcane Orb, the DPS makes the Orbs more spammy. If he's doing Hydra/Blizzard it increases the Hydra damage. If he's doing Hydra/Blizzard/MM, well then he's just doing it wrong because he should have a 1 hand + off hand.
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zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 16:14:49
June 07 2012 16:12 GMT
#2244
On June 08 2012 01:08 SoulWager wrote:
what's the point of IAS with a 2hander? It's just fake dps. If you're going for a crit mass build you want to start with a fast weapon, like a dagger.

signature spell
If he's doing Hydra/Blizzard/MM, well then he's just doing it wrong because he should have a 1 hand + off hand.
i do fine with this with only 1.4 attack speed. what would you replace the mm with in this build then?
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 16:27:41
June 07 2012 16:24 GMT
#2245
On June 08 2012 01:12 zomgE wrote:
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On June 08 2012 01:08 SoulWager wrote:
what's the point of IAS with a 2hander? It's just fake dps. If you're going for a crit mass build you want to start with a fast weapon, like a dagger.

signature spell
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If he's doing Hydra/Blizzard/MM, well then he's just doing it wrong because he should have a 1 hand + off hand.
i do fine with this with only 1.4 attack speed. what would you replace the mm with in this build then?


I used to run just Hydra + Blizzard which let me take Diamond Skin and Teleport/wormhole + Magic weapon (force) + Energy Armor.

Now, I dropped the diamond skin so I could add the MM.

If he wants to go AO/Hydra or Blizz/Hydra/no signature i'd grab the extra defensive spell. Either way the IAS still benefits the Hydra's DPS.


I'm considering switching to AO/tap the source + Hydra/Venom + MM/seeker with the arcane slow passive so I get two spells that slow, but I worry about losing out on the 360 degree AoE slow from blizzard because of Act 2 and it's wide open spaces.
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zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 16:33:49
June 07 2012 16:32 GMT
#2246
only hydra and blizzard sounds pretty ineffective and boring

i always do blizz, hydra and start throwing in magic missiles. don't see why it wouldn't be good on slow weapons
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 16:45:31
June 07 2012 16:38 GMT
#2247
On June 08 2012 01:32 zomgE wrote:
only hydra and blizzard sounds pretty ineffective and boring

i always do blizz, hydra and start throwing in magic missiles. don't see why it wouldn't be good on slow weapons


The advantage of doing Hydra + blizz is that it frees up a passive skill slot that would be taken up if you were using AO/Hydra instead. Also, Blizzard hits more than just the guy in front, while AO can sometimes only damage the fastest mob. I used just Hydra+ Blizzard to kill the Butcher in under 2 minutes on Inferno back when I only had about 30k dps. I'm at 41k now.

The reason why it's not as good on slow weapons is that for elites/champs/bosses you have a limited time window to cast your MM while kiting. The more MMs you get off the more damage you do in that limited time window.
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 07 2012 16:46 GMT
#2248
On June 08 2012 01:32 zomgE wrote:
only hydra and blizzard sounds pretty ineffective and boring

i always do blizz, hydra and start throwing in magic missiles. don't see why it wouldn't be good on slow weapons

In addition to what has already been said, going only Blizz/Hydra allows you to squeeze in Teleport in your spec as well. (Along with Crystal Shell / Force Weapon / Force Armor of course)
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 16:48:40
June 07 2012 16:48 GMT
#2249
On June 08 2012 01:46 HaXXspetten wrote:
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On June 08 2012 01:32 zomgE wrote:
only hydra and blizzard sounds pretty ineffective and boring

i always do blizz, hydra and start throwing in magic missiles. don't see why it wouldn't be good on slow weapons

In addition to what has already been said, going only Blizz/Hydra allows you to squeeze in Teleport in your spec as well. (Along with Crystal Shell / Force Weapon / Force Armor of course)


You missed the part where i said



I used to run just Hydra + Blizzard which let me take Diamond Skin and Teleport/wormhole + Magic weapon (force) + Energy Armor.


Abstracts, the too long didn't read of the educated world.
zomgE
Profile Joined January 2012
498 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 16:50:14
June 07 2012 16:49 GMT
#2250
On June 08 2012 01:38 NEOtheONE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 01:32 zomgE wrote:
only hydra and blizzard sounds pretty ineffective and boring

i always do blizz, hydra and start throwing in magic missiles. don't see why it wouldn't be good on slow weapons


The advantage of doing Hydra + blizz is that it frees up a passive skill slot that would be taken up if you were using AO/Hydra instead. Also, Blizzard hits more than just the guy in front, while AO can sometimes only damage the fastest mob. I used just Hydra+ Blizzard to kill the Butcher in under 2 minutes on Inferno back when I only had about 30k dps.

The reason why it's not as good on slow weapons is that for elites/champs/bosses you have a limited time window to cast your MM while kiting. The more MMs you get off the more damage you do in that limited time window.

You don't need as many mms to deal the same dmg than with faster weapon if equal dps.
although I can see some situations where you would be able to throw a quick mm with a fast 1h but not with a slow 2h but that's about it. I guess that is what you mean.
Maybe i should try dmg familiar instead of MM since i have found no need for diamond skin for the moment for running act3.
btw i'm only talking about blizz hydra build here, not ao
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
June 07 2012 16:52 GMT
#2251
On June 08 2012 01:49 zomgE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 01:38 NEOtheONE wrote:
On June 08 2012 01:32 zomgE wrote:
only hydra and blizzard sounds pretty ineffective and boring

i always do blizz, hydra and start throwing in magic missiles. don't see why it wouldn't be good on slow weapons


The advantage of doing Hydra + blizz is that it frees up a passive skill slot that would be taken up if you were using AO/Hydra instead. Also, Blizzard hits more than just the guy in front, while AO can sometimes only damage the fastest mob. I used just Hydra+ Blizzard to kill the Butcher in under 2 minutes on Inferno back when I only had about 30k dps.

The reason why it's not as good on slow weapons is that for elites/champs/bosses you have a limited time window to cast your MM while kiting. The more MMs you get off the more damage you do in that limited time window.

You don't need as many mms to deal the same dmg than with faster weapon if equal dps.
although I can see some situations where you would be able to throw a quick mm with a fast 1h but not with a slow 2h but that's about it. I guess that is what you mean.
Maybe i should try dmg familiar instead of MM since i have found no need for diamond skin for the moment for running act3.
btw i'm only talking about blizz hydra build here, not ao


I've found diamond skin useful for 2 things: dealing with Reflect damage rares/champs and DoTs that you amy get stuck in (Azmodan's pools, Gluttony guy's poison). Other than that, yeah you can afford to run without.
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Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
June 07 2012 16:57 GMT
#2252
On June 08 2012 00:34 diophan wrote:
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On June 07 2012 03:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:
So I recently switched to a 2 hander and it does significantly more damage per arcane power, but now I'm stuck at like 1.1 attack speed (2 14% ias rings). I mean, I COULD get ias amulets/gloves but those are ridiculously expensive and my amulet/gloves are ridiculously good with high crit/crit dmg and int. Andy's is the next choice, but my helm with arcane power on crit is pretty interesting and don't know if I should give that up. Maybe I'll just wait for the fix on the ias pants. I mean, after all attack speed is just there for faster animation, not really more damage at this point.

Also they're planning on nerfing attack speed modifiers. Not sure how this will affect what I'll do or if I'll go back to my 1 hander.


I'm apparently the only person on this forum with around 1.1 attack speed (right now it's 1.14). Why does everyone think you need more? I'm fine kiting against everything but something like fast with invulnerable minions. I'm also constantly AP starved unless I'm against an elite pack like that.

I think if you tried at a lower attack speed for a while you'd get used to it, and do much more actual damage.


1.15 is enough to kite efficiently but increasing attack speed even more is just an effective way to improve DPS in a signature + hydra build. Hydra depends on DPS not damage and signatures obviously depend on DPS too.
If you're using the no signature build then staying around 1.10 is probably ideal.
Arcane on crit with high crit chance/dmg could be a nice way to boost DPS and have enough AP for non stop arcane orbs. Wizard however has no decent skills/passives that benefit crits at the moment so I doubt it's worth it.
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
June 07 2012 17:04 GMT
#2253
OK, I got some awesome help from here how to gear up etc, and it boosted my dps from 22k to 34k. Ive got 1 million banked but I am not finding any wortyh items . What would you replace and what should i look for ?


This is some awesome starting gear to build on. To be safe survival wise you need around 30-33k life and 200-300 resist. This is even enough for late act 3. If you reach that point I would only care about damage, as it will speed up your farming.

First I would replace that Chest. Get some cheap Vit/Int 3 socket Chest. You can then decide if you need more hp or more damage. 130vit/70int +3 socket you can buy for around or under 300k. Other mods to look for are physical resist, armor and strength (for the extra armor). All resist is kinda pricey and you dont really need it.
In EU there is a very nice 3 socket Chest Armor in the AH right now with 136vit, 77 int, 72str, 35 phy resist and 303 Armor for 300k.

So you would only lose some armor, a few elemental resist, but gain massive amounts of hp or damage in form of int.

Vallelol
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1046 Posts
June 07 2012 17:26 GMT
#2254
I just hit 60 with my wizard and really have no clue on how to build, is there any high quality guide out there?
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34491 Posts
June 07 2012 17:28 GMT
#2255
On June 08 2012 02:26 Vallelol wrote:
I just hit 60 with my wizard and really have no clue on how to build, is there any high quality guide out there?

Skim through the last 20 or so pages in this thread.
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ximae
Profile Joined January 2011
181 Posts
June 07 2012 17:29 GMT
#2256
what do u guys think of my stats for act 2 inferno?

22k hp
18k dps
6000 armour
400 all resists

Ps: mind this is with force armour and force weapon enabled.
NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
June 07 2012 18:08 GMT
#2257
On June 08 2012 02:29 ximae wrote:
what do u guys think of my stats for act 2 inferno?

22k hp
18k dps
6000 armour
400 all resists

Ps: mind this is with force armour and force weapon enabled.


HP is a little on the too squishy side but the armor and resists should make up for that nicely. The DPS seems low though.
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scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
June 07 2012 18:10 GMT
#2258
On June 08 2012 02:29 ximae wrote:
what do u guys think of my stats for act 2 inferno?

22k hp
18k dps
6000 armour
400 all resists

Ps: mind this is with force armour and force weapon enabled.


I'd drop some Armor and invest in +int items.

You need more (10-15k at least) dps and maybe ~10k HP.
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NEOtheONE
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2233 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-07 18:11:12
June 07 2012 18:10 GMT
#2259
On June 08 2012 03:08 NEOtheONE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2012 02:29 ximae wrote:
what do u guys think of my stats for act 2 inferno?

22k hp
18k dps
6000 armour
400 all resists

Ps: mind this is with force armour and force weapon enabled.


HP is a little on the too squishy side but the armor and resists should make up for that nicely. The DPS seems low though.


To add to my own thoughts

Maybe buy a cheap weapon with just damage on it? You can get a 1 hander with 960 dps for less than 1 million. I don't know about 2 handers as I don't have AH in front of me currently.
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trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
June 07 2012 18:12 GMT
#2260
So I'm able to reach siegebreaker now and will be farming it... Do I just run the quest over and over again and hope for a good drop to sell or keep? Or am I suppose to be "exploiting" something? Like a chest/goblin?
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