Hardcore progression

On May 17 2012 02:53 suspiria wrote:
What are the benefits of going hardcore? Is there different loot? Or is it just bragging rights?

What are the benefits of going hardcore? Is there different loot? Or is it just bragging rights?

On May 17 2012 06:12 Shifft wrote:
I just finished normal/HC on my demon hunter, and I have no idea what to expect in nightmare since my regular character only got to the end of act 2 before I started HC. Should I be trying to farm some gear before starting nightmare or what? Currently I have about 6k HP and level 31, will that be good to survive in nightmare?

On May 17 2012 03:48 HolydaKing wrote:

what lag? i maybe get 2 short lags every hour and they hardly ever matter.... and even if they did, i think if you play solo the game doesn't go on more than you can see.

personally am lvl 31 and in mid of act 3. i'm certain i'll die some day, though :/ if i survive act 4 i'll definitely farm some more before trying nightmare.

On May 17 2012 20:35 Rainbow Cuddles wrote:
I'm on Act 1 Inferno HC. Afraid to go any further as the elites do too much damage.

Slightest lag spike or if we randomly get a wall/frozen, there's a good chance it's GG. Not worth it right now. I'm farming for Uniques in A4 Hell with a friend. We're running Monk/Wizard.

I have some friends who are on A2 Inferno in Normal & they wiped close to 20 times on the Butcher, so I'm definitely in no hurry until we get full unique gear.

On May 17 2012 21:04 Silidons wrote:
can you solo inferno? or it it meant for parties?

On May 17 2012 21:09 zachMEISTER wrote:


You can solo inferno, adding the party aspect just makes it more fun!

On May 17 2012 21:20 Reasonable wrote:
Russians and their hardcore... neighbors going crazy. With the current difficulty of hell/inferno it is a bunch of guys doing old-style D2 wanking but w/o bots, which makes wanking that much more sentimental. Hardcore is dead, you NEED to die in Diablo 3 to have any type of progression. The only reason hardcore was popular in D2 was because of a chicken bot. Come on you, hardcores, give me at least one hardcore player in D2 that got to level over 95 without chicken bot, without any bot as a matter of fact? Exactly.

It is fun to watch that guy die tbh, it is like watching communism fall.

On May 18 2012 01:06 Pavlenty wrote:
59 lvl hc barb

http://ru.twitch.tv/othersense

On May 17 2012 06:12 Shifft wrote:
I just finished normal/HC on my demon hunter, and I have no idea what to expect in nightmare since my regular character only got to the end of act 2 before I started HC. Should I be trying to farm some gear before starting nightmare or what? Currently I have about 6k HP and level 31, will that be good to survive in nightmare?

On May 18 2012 07:09 subzer0 wrote:
So...theres no special loot, only bragging rights?

On May 18 2012 07:09 subzer0 wrote:
So...theres no special loot, only bragging rights?

On May 18 2012 07:16 ZasZ. wrote:


And an added thrill. But yes, other than the achievements and death penalty, Hardcore is exactly the same as Softcore. You also can't access the RMAH.

On May 17 2012 03:23 xZiGGY wrote:
I die a lot in this game, particularly in nightmare (no shocker there) respect to anyone who has the balls to play hardcore mode :D

On May 18 2012 08:36 ItsMeDomLee wrote:


Once you play hardcore it's very hard to go back to softcore. It just feels like a waste of time to me.

On May 18 2012 10:35 altec1011 wrote:
Level 11 DH - died from that spider cavern in A1 due to disconnect on blizzard's end.

Then I go on to make another DH, got him to lvl 18 in A2 with a legendary item and died again due to disconnect due to technical errors.

Fuck this, I ain't playing HC again until Blizzard fixes their shitty servers.

On May 18 2012 10:23 Medrea wrote:
Got the butcher down in inferno mode.

Act 2 is fucking stupid. Opening normal monsters lob grenades for 40k with 150 resist all and -45% enemy damage reduction.

Hardcore is dumb dont do it except for maybe first time normal experience.

On May 18 2012 10:21 calgar wrote:I'll take the other point of view and say it feels like a waste of time to play when a noticeable number of people are dying to d/c. I do love watching level 45+ characters die though, extremely satisfying for some odd reason.

On May 18 2012 17:50 FortuneSyn wrote:
I'm going to do butcher nightmare with witchdoctor today. should i be worried about anything? or is it easy like normal mode?

On May 18 2012 17:50 FortuneSyn wrote:
I'm going to do butcher nightmare with witchdoctor today. should i be worried about anything? or is it easy like normal mode?

On May 18 2012 16:55 PrideNeverDie wrote:
so butcher on inferno is the best anyone has ever done?

On May 18 2012 18:04 Diks wrote:


add me : DiKs#1352
I just passed him, i can give u a hand

On May 19 2012 04:22 Recognizable wrote:
I would do this if the game didn't lag randomly at times

On May 19 2012 13:08 Medrea wrote:
Oh yeah good point.

I dunno this shit is pretty hardcore if you ask me. Actual hardcore MODE inferno wont happen, ever.

On May 18 2012 16:55 PrideNeverDie wrote:
so butcher on inferno is the best anyone has ever done?

On May 19 2012 13:21 absalom86 wrote:


When you softcore players finally come over to the hardcore side I'll be set to sell to you and make a killing.

Join the dark side.

On May 19 2012 13:30 NotSorry wrote:

I died at Assassin's Crypt, Act II. Was pretty easy going til getting insta killed from off screen.

On May 19 2012 14:02 Medrea wrote:


Well, there is a 100 percent chance inferno is going to be nerfed. So yeah i suppose.

On May 19 2012 14:02 Medrea wrote:


Well, there is a 100 percent chance inferno is going to be nerfed. So yeah i suppose.

On May 19 2012 14:02 Medrea wrote:


Well, there is a 100 percent chance inferno is going to be nerfed. So yeah i suppose.

On May 19 2012 14:25 Mysticesper wrote:
I died in act two NM due to plague + frozen =\

some of these monster combos are just hilarious.

My brother's death: "I took a double champion group... one with teleport and firechain the other with vortex and arcane enchantment.... i couldn't run, even when i tried i got sucked in and surrounded..."

On May 16 2012 13:44 acker wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/arch00

Thirteen people teaming up with thirteen characters to beat Inferno first. The streamer is level 34 or so...I think it was higher last time I checked, though.

The thread:

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/4917621882

In case of confusion:

It's thirteen people w/characters for two reasons. The first is that characters will die as they make their way to Inferno. The second reason is to stockpile useful gear so they can rebuild characters faster.

On May 20 2012 00:29 DaRkFrosT wrote:
Where did you see it? Russian stream?

On May 20 2012 00:34 altec1011 wrote:


Yes. He died from a champion pack in Act 4. I cringed as his health kept going down

On May 20 2012 00:27 altec1011 wrote:
just witnessed the monk in the hardcore inferno group die . 59 hours and 30 minutes played, how upset he must be right now...

On May 20 2012 00:27 altec1011 wrote:
just witnessed the monk in the hardcore inferno group die . 59 hours and 30 minutes played, how upset he must be right now...

On May 20 2012 07:07 Shikyo wrote:

Might be just me, but I've restarted characters that are weeks old in MMORPGs just for a few missed statpoints so 59 hours really doesn't feel like too much .-.

By the way when a HC char dies, everything he's got equipped gets destroyed as well?

On May 20 2012 08:03 Bub wrote:
Damn, watching the lvl 60s die..

At about when is the monk better able to handle himself, my 20 is weak unless I'm doing something wrong

On May 20 2012 00:21 DaRkFrosT wrote:
What's with all the softcore progression in this thread, I thought it was meant for HC?

On May 20 2012 08:16 Shikyo wrote:
All right, time to start a full tank Witch Doctor that's based around vit weapon with high damage and using a high damage weapon along with Soul Harvest to supply sufficient energy.

Sound like an amazing plan? =O

On May 21 2012 15:16 Artrey wrote:
- Play at your own chosen pace, but if you are unsure, rather take it slow
- Stick together (!!!! this is everything if you are too weak)
- Pull carefully, explore full rooms / areas and always have a 100% safe retreat path to a waypoint
- Always try to have 2-3 sides fully explored / safe, so you do not get sandwiched
- Any party with a monk ;D
- Do not play a caster class (you are of course free to do it and they have great utility and can survive absolutely fine, but on average they die more often than the other classes)
- Stack vita, vita, vita (and armor/resistances later of course)
- Early on, Damage should only come from weapon and jewelry
- Use a shield
- Shop items from NPCs - I am act 1 inferno now and my gear is still 80% shopped
- Level<>Content just as you feel it is right, it mainly depends on your gear. With my alts, I rush through normal without any safety or breaks.. Normally you should not be required to farm a lot before late nightmare, but you might want to get 60 in nightmare

On May 21 2012 15:52 Artrey wrote:
Well, there is almost nobody farming items on hell yet except us.. and it is better to get two perfectly rolled affixes (namely vitality+dex/vita for me) than five bad ones. Of course rares CAN be better, but the chances are low and you do not get many tries. For shopping, you can just run it 200 times until you get closed to perfection. So to get started, shopping is THE way to go.

Diablo Hell Kill Movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNOu9lQ-bLI

On May 21 2012 15:52 Artrey wrote:
Well, there is almost nobody farming items on hell yet except us.. and it is better to get two perfectly rolled affixes (namely vitality+dex/vita for me) than five bad ones. Of course rares CAN be better, but the chances are low and you do not get many tries. For shopping, you can just run it 200 times until you get closed to perfection. So to get started, shopping is THE way to go.

Diablo Hell Kill Movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNOu9lQ-bLI

On May 21 2012 12:46 Artrey wrote:
Diablo down. :-) Time to die on inferno.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/100/diablohellhc.jpg/

On May 21 2012 19:52 Corr wrote:


Congrats!

Let me guess, Dev = the norwegian guy = tS-Dev/UD-Dev from early 1.10 D2 HC?
Greets from me then!

On May 19 2012 14:02 Medrea wrote:


Well, there is a 100 percent chance inferno is going to be nerfed. So yeah i suppose.

On May 22 2012 03:02 Pantythief wrote:


Nerfed??

I don't think so -- I was hoping they'd increase the difficulty, add more mobs, harder champions, etc., etc., because right now, the game is pretty much a-move for me and my friends right now.

On May 22 2012 01:14 Artrey wrote:


Thanks. :-) Yeah, all the UD guys around kinda (UD-Chris here^^), though half of them still play Softcore. :D

We have not really started playing inferno, gonna take a while.

On May 22 2012 03:02 Pantythief wrote:


Nerfed??

I don't think so -- I was hoping they'd increase the difficulty, add more mobs, harder champions, etc., etc., because right now, the game is pretty much a-move for me and my friends right now.

On May 22 2012 16:18 Canas wrote:


Bullshit. People who are killing diablo on inferno are just skipping past rares and champions because it's absolutely retarded how stupid they are, you're forced to kite stuff around until things are separated, and tackle 1 or maybe 2 at a time, because taking on a full pack in act 2 and later just isn't an option if they don't have absolutely garbage affixes.

On May 22 2012 18:35 ItsMeDomLee wrote:


People have killed Infernal Diablo in hardcore?

On May 23 2012 16:40 acker wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/vibelol

HC Inferno DH solo. He's farming SK atm.

On May 22 2012 15:54 Artrey wrote:
Hey. I am actually the Demon Hunter. Dev (the monk) is using Tempest Rush as only spender (all other slots are used for utility/survival), because it allows him to get away when being trapped. While a spender with dmg would be nice, there is simply no slot left for it. Of course he could respec for certain bosses, but then you lose your nephalem valor buff. Same for me with chakram - for Diablo impale might have been the better choice. However the goal is to have a universal build that always works, as long as it is expected to be sufficient.

On May 18 2012 07:06 HolydaKing wrote:

Hm now you made me worried, i'm lvl 37 atm, also have 6k HP and like 650 DPS, i wonder if i really need to farm O_o all of my items have lots of vitality already, except for the rings.

I'm just before Leoric atm, easy going so far.

On May 25 2012 17:31 Cyber_Cheese wrote:
Curious as to where the furtherest HC group has gotten, any updates?

On May 22 2012 16:18 Canas wrote:


Bullshit. People who are killing diablo on inferno are just skipping past rares and champions because it's absolutely retarded how stupid they are, you're forced to kite stuff around until things are separated, and tackle 1 or maybe 2 at a time, because taking on a full pack in act 2 and later just isn't an option if they don't have absolutely garbage affixes.

On May 27 2012 12:38 NotSorry wrote:

Act 3 is the furthest I've seen, not sure if it was a group or just a solo wizard.

On May 28 2012 01:53 altec1011 wrote:
Furthest ive seen was a russian group who made to A4 inferno, which is where one of their monks died. I dunno if they ended up killing diablo or not.

On May 28 2012 01:50 smf wrote:
Kungen, known from wow, is currently progressing through act 1 inferno with 3 others.
http://www.twitch.tv/kungentv

On May 28 2012 06:39 ItsMeDomLee wrote:


What the hell? Didn't he just start HC? How does he have 15 million in the bank already and 15k dps. I smell shenanigans.

On May 28 2012 06:54 Amui wrote:


Kungen I believe is the main tank for Ensidia(one of the top 3 WoW guilds in the world). There are going to be a LOT of fanbois willing to grind out gold and items for him.

On May 28 2012 06:57 ItsMeDomLee wrote:


Eh... Does it even count if everything is gifted to you? What's the point of HC then.

On May 28 2012 08:29 Klive5ive wrote:
Witch Doctor on Kungens stream died to the fire AFTER butcher died. Ahahahaha he stood in the fire to loot. Hilarious.

On May 28 2012 08:44 GogoKodo wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvEDq6szy10 Oh man that is sad.

On May 28 2012 08:29 Klive5ive wrote:
Witch Doctor on Kungens stream died to the fire AFTER butcher died. Ahahahaha he stood in the fire to loot. Hilarious.

On May 28 2012 08:44 GogoKodo wrote:

+ Show Spoiler + Oh man that is sad.

On May 28 2012 16:20 udgnim wrote:


does anyone know if Dirge was using Spirit Vessel or not?

On May 28 2012 19:19 NinjaMagic wrote:
You have to be shitting me. Spirit vessel works? man ive died on my monk AND witchdoctor, both which have these death things................ FUCK

On May 28 2012 19:31 ItsMeDomLee wrote:


Whatever made you think they didn't work? Near Death Experience has saved my monk so many times.

On May 28 2012 20:37 dmfg wrote:


Do you use it in HC? I'm only 39 in HC atm and not sure whether to take it when it unlocks. On the one hand it sounds useful, but on the other hand I don't want to drop any out of Seize the initiative, one with everything and resolve..

On May 28 2012 20:48 coko wrote:


HC really is a game of accepting a drop in DPS in return for life guarantees. On my WD I always have this 10% life return, as basically if I get one shot I have a chance to pop everything and run away when I return.

On May 28 2012 19:18 bgx wrote:
i lost my 54 barb to graphic card overheating, had to do a 1 day off from diablo 3 -_-

He was fighting some shitty mob he could auto attack to win grrr. Act1 hell.

Im actually curious about the mechanics which determines character death when player disconnects, is it 10 sec timer and mobs attacking on you? Because once my other char (it was low level wizard) also suffered throught the same graphic card failure but survived. hmm

On May 28 2012 20:37 dmfg wrote:


Do you use it in HC? I'm only 39 in HC atm and not sure whether to take it when it unlocks. On the one hand it sounds useful, but on the other hand I don't want to drop any out of Seize the initiative, one with everything and resolve..

On May 30 2012 01:50 dmfg wrote:
Running around Act 2 nightmare sewers on level 40 monk. Suddenly, templar and Leah stop on the minimap and I'm running down an empty corridor. "Hmm" I think, "this doesn't look good, but it shouldn't be game over since I have 12k life and 56% armour".

10 seconds later, I resync and see a fast forwarded version of a group of 5 blue ghoul things (the type that give a poison cloud on death) with molten + shielding ripping the shit out of me, while the whole screen is covered in fire. I mashed every CD I had and kited like a little girl across the whole map to the entrance, while they kept hitting me because they were faster.

Barely survived but definitely the closest I've been to dying so far. Immediately went to the AH to upgrade a load of defensive gear

On May 30 2012 09:06 Erasme wrote:


Wow you have a fuckton of life, I am at the same quest and I only have 7k life. Do you feel you really need it ?

On May 30 2012 16:52 Disarray wrote:
Lost a 54 Barb on Hell A1 a week ago, Just got back to where I was with a 54 Barb again. Guess it's time to farm the beginning of A1 overandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandover again!

On May 30 2012 19:24 kickazs wrote:
Lost 2 barbs due to Alt-tabbing...... 60 and 42, damn internetz.

On May 31 2012 01:49 Spidinko wrote:
Anyone knows what's the best progress through inferno currently?
I check kungen's stream form time to time. He's still farming gear for act2. Has anyone finished act 2?

On May 31 2012 01:51 ZAiNs wrote:

It's gonna take a very long time. Act 2 Inferno is waaay harder than 1.

On May 31 2012 01:58 Spidinko wrote:

Yeah I know it's way harder. Just curious whether someone is even progressing through it or something.
I don't even know whether it's possible. Inferno wasn't designed for HC.

On May 30 2012 19:24 kickazs wrote:
Lost 2 barbs due to Alt-tabbing...... 60 and 42, damn internetz.

On May 31 2012 22:54 FetTerBender wrote:
Dark Cellar A1 Q2, Center of Old Tristram (few steps south from WP)

On May 31 2012 16:07 Catreina wrote:
Kungen was trying some of act 2 the other day.

I lost my inferno monk yesterday - I expect to be back in inferno with my monk again today (thursday) or tomorrow (friday) for more farming. Monks are very very safe, if you dont play like you are in softcore. I am going a slightly different strategy this time around - losing gear that I could have sold on the AH for near 100mil is not fun (I had perfect rare boots, shoulder, gloves and bracers) =(

I have been streaming hardcore since day 1 - twitch.tv/catreina

On May 30 2012 16:52 Disarray wrote:
Lost a 54 Barb on Hell A1 a week ago, Just got back to where I was with a 54 Barb again. Guess it's time to farm the beginning of A1 overandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandoverandover again!

On June 01 2012 08:33 Risen wrote:
RIP my dear wizard... turning the corner into those act 3 banelings was one of the saddest moments I've had in gaming :/

On June 01 2012 04:59 Disarray wrote:




FUCK

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 01 2012 19:04 Jaxx wrote:

WTF, dead heroes are still counting into 10 char limit? Was planning to go HC, but this could change my mind...

On June 01 2012 04:59 Disarray wrote:




FUCK

+ Show Spoiler +

On June 02 2012 02:46 Xinder wrote:
Kungen died. Holy shit. I dont know how he died b/c I wasn't watching his stream when it happened but i just checked it now and his lvl 60 HC barb is def a ghost.

RIP Kungen

On June 02 2012 02:48 Vaelone wrote:


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133202&currentpage=552#11028

There you go, enjoy!

On June 02 2012 07:31 tomatriedes wrote:
Just finished normal with my hardcore wizard. I was very cautious- leveled to 36 with over 7000 HP before taking on Diablo. Probably overkill, but hey, it's better than dying.

On June 02 2012 07:31 tomatriedes wrote:
Just finished normal with my hardcore wizard. I was very cautious- leveled to 36 with over 7000 HP before taking on Diablo. Probably overkill, but hey, it's better than dying.

On June 02 2012 07:44 DaCruise wrote:


You can never be too safe when it comes to hardcore imo.

Funny thing, my DH is lvl 24 in late act 2 and I found 2 legendaries within 20 mins after having never found any on my SC barb with 130 hours played.

On June 04 2012 01:24 ZAiNs wrote:
What is the best solo hardcore class? Demon Hunter is the best for softcore but it seems too fragile, even with Smokescreen.

On June 04 2012 09:41 unkkz wrote:
Any DH that actually gets anything done in Inferno?

On June 04 2012 03:10 dmfg wrote:


I've been feeling pretty safe with my monk (act 3 NM right now), where any pack I can either kill or get away from quite comfortably. I've even been a bit reckless in going after treasure gobbos as they run into boss packs and not coming close to dying.

Whereas like you say, my DH just feels incredibly fragile, even with roughly the same amount of HP. Armour is lower lower, dodge is lower, no 30% innate reduction, no concussion/resolve (numbing traps is kinda weak since if something is on your trap, it's already not much of a threat). I've come close to dying a few times on him.

EDIT: DH running SS, vault, caltrops and prep, so not exactly a fragile setup either.

On June 04 2012 14:50 Volrath wrote:


I've heard about DHs soloing act 1 on inferno. Im 60 now but just on act 3, so I'll try it in a while.

On June 04 2012 01:24 ZAiNs wrote:
What is the best solo hardcore class? Demon Hunter is the best for softcore but it seems too fragile, even with Smokescreen.

On June 05 2012 07:42 unkkz wrote:
Kungen died again herp derp, HC and internet. His provider went down and alot of people got DC:d, when i think of all the lucky ass disconnects i've had... damn.

On June 05 2012 13:48 tomatriedes wrote:
I'm level 48 Act 2 Nightmare with 2100 DPS and 21K HP with my Wizard. Is this pretty safe for taking on Belial?