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KezseN
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1450 Posts
May 09 2012 12:33 GMT
#21
On May 09 2012 21:10 Krowser wrote:


Also, you can't have a Diablo game without yours truly.




Pretty much this sentence rite here
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MoonfireSpam
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1153 Posts
May 09 2012 13:17 GMT
#22
I'm going to go with something Heaven does ends up speeding along the resurrection of Diablo. Or the Diablo you see is actually Clayface or something.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-09 13:30:31
May 09 2012 13:29 GMT
#23
Doesn't Diablo get slain in D1? (I know he goes in to the wanderer).

Isn't D2 all about Baal and Mephisto?
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SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
May 09 2012 13:38 GMT
#24
On May 09 2012 22:29 Grovbolle wrote:
Doesn't Diablo get slain in D1? (I know he goes in to the wanderer).

Isn't D2 all about Baal and Mephisto?


In Diablo 2 you kill Diablo in Act 4.
In Lord of Destruction you kill Baal in Act 5. Diablo gets killed and comes back in some form, in every game.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 09 2012 13:41 GMT
#25
On May 09 2012 22:38 SolHeiM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 22:29 Grovbolle wrote:
Doesn't Diablo get slain in D1? (I know he goes in to the wanderer).

Isn't D2 all about Baal and Mephisto?


In Diablo 2 you kill Diablo in Act 4.
In Lord of Destruction you kill Baal in Act 5. Diablo gets killed and comes back in some form, in every game.


Ohh yeah, I remember now. Just played act 4 and 5 yesterday, (first time), but didn't actually remember Diablo
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maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
May 09 2012 13:47 GMT
#26
It wouldn't exactly make sense to name the game Diablo 3 without at least including diablo as a boss in it.
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3996 Posts
May 09 2012 14:00 GMT
#27
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?
kuresuti
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1393 Posts
May 09 2012 14:14 GMT
#28
On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?


It says in the diablo wiki that demons can't truly die. If you "kill" one, it is returned to the Black Abyss, which it can escape somehow (Hi Diablo!). I don't think the soulstones could lead to the souls captured in them to be destroyed, only imprisoned.
imPermanenCe
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands595 Posts
May 09 2012 14:23 GMT
#29
LOL, so many spoilers, some are less serious than others, if you have serious spoilers you should put a spoiler in a spoiler in a spoiler yo!
+ Show Spoiler +
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unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-09 14:31:33
May 09 2012 14:28 GMT
#30
On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?


I mentioned this on the first page but will say it again. The soulstones were a scam. They did not do what the high heavens thought they did, Izual states so in Diablo 2 i think, or its in some books somewhere. Point is, yes the soulstones were meant to capture the evils so that they could be contained and even then ultimately, destroyed.

But you see the Horadrim, the ancient order of warriors who battled the prime evils to finally captured them was lead by Tyrael. They were a bunch of powerfull mages, that Tyrael brought together for the task of capturing the prime evils, k you with me so far? From the wiki: "When the Horadrim was new, it was formed by only a handful of members, among them Tal Rasha, Jered Cain and a mage by the name of Zoltun Kulle. Though records since the time of the hunt for the Three are hard to come by, it is speculated that Kulle specialized in enchantments and transmutation. He was charged with carrying the Soul Stones meant to imprison the Prime Evils.

After the arduous, decade-long task was complete, Kulle was left a hollow man. He devised a means of restoring his humanity by forging a Black Soulstone with which he planned to harness the essence of angels and demons. Before his plan was enacted, however, he was slain by his former Horadric colleages, and all his research was destroyed. "

Now Zoltun Kulle is the guy who made the Soulstones, but he went batshit insane along the line, most likely one of the prime evils got to him, promissed him endless powers if he made the soulstones flawed. I have heard this from Blizz sources somewhere but i cannot recall where that was. The point is, the Soulstones were a ploy by the prime evils, they weren't as strong as believed.

And about the world stone and the consequences of it being destroyed:
On March 08 2012 04:17 Nethermind wrote:
3. Humans in Sanctuary are the product of a union between (rebellious) Angels and Demons (who did not want to partake in the eternal conflict, stole the worldstone, the point of the conflict, created Sanctuary, and hid it there), originally called the Nephalem. As a result they were greatly powerful beings. The renegade Angels and Demons, concerned about the increasing powers manifesting in the Nephalem, decided to purge them in order to keep Sanctuary hidden from the Angel and Demon hosts. The leader of the rebelion, the Angel Inarius then attuned the Worldstone to cause the Nephalem's powers to diminish over time.

Baal later corrupts the Worldstone with the intention of using humans with their Nephalem-heritage/powers activated as weapons in the eternal conflict as tools against the Angels.

Tyrael destroys the Worldstone, judging (he is the Angel of Justice) it is better destroyed than corrupted. It's destruction will allow people to (potentially) realise their Nephalem heritage, with many theories circling around Leah (as per Cain's prophecy/dream noted in the Book of Cain) as such an example.

As a final note, the Worldstone was never used to hide Sanctuary, Sanctuary was used to hide the Worldstone, from the parties of the Eternal Conflict. The events of the Sin Wars (which precede Diablo games) outline the period of time where Heavens and Hells find Sanctuary, indirectly and directly influence events, and ultimately form a pact to leave Sanctuary to human influences alone with each other.

Hope that helps!


But as a poster above me said, you cannot destroy a demon. And per the book of Cain, Diablo is currently in the Black abyss or the endless void, how he got back we do not know, but there are speculations in this thread about it.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
May 09 2012 14:38 GMT
#31
Yeah he's definitely coming back. Even without knowing all the spoilers (which I do) it's kind of obvious since he's the main bad guy in the series.

Can't wait to beat his bitch ass in Diablo 3. I remember how badly he owned me the first time through in Diablo 2 so it should be a lot of fun.
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aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3996 Posts
May 09 2012 14:41 GMT
#32
Thanks unkkz, that helps a lot. Still seems weird that the Soulstones were 'corrupt' as it was Tyrael who ordered their creation (so you could say it's possible to make them with the functionality they were meant to have) , but alright, that Zoltun guy seems like a good way to make it fit. Kinda. So the destruction of the Worldstone means that humans will gain great power again! I just hope they won't choose the Dark Side, though, haha.
dmfg
Profile Joined May 2008
United Kingdom591 Posts
May 09 2012 14:47 GMT
#33
On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?


Well, maybe the destruction of the World Stone is exactly what brings down the barriers between worlds and lets him come back so easily?
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 09 2012 15:39 GMT
#34
Im guessing something Imperius does causes Diablo to return, or mortals have something to do with it as Imperius is down in sanctuary. He is there either to punish humans or hes down there to fix his own misstake. The thing is the short film shows who Imperius is, had they imprisoned Diablo there he would be out of the fight for good pretty much. Captive in the high heavens, doubt hell would be able to get him back anytime soon. But Imperious is full of hatred(lol SW references) and doesn't think with reasoning or logic, he's lost all touch with the rest of the angels who approached the situation more carefully.

Either that or Imperius has gone batshit insane and brought Diablo back himself, since when the conflict ends, if it ever does. What's he gonna do?`He's the one angel that has absolutely nothing other then fighting demons, its all he does and knows.
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 09 2012 15:49 GMT
#35
Im spamming this thread i know but, this is what Izual says in Diablo 2: ""Tyrael was a fool to have trusted me! You see, it was I who told Diablo and his brothers about the Soulstones and how to corrupt them. It was I who helped the Prime Evils mastermind their exile to your world. The plan we set in motion so long ago cannot be stopped by any mortal agency. Hell itself is poised to spill forth into your world like a tidal wave of blood and nightmares. You and all your kind...are doomed"."
viletomato
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada277 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-09 16:11:50
May 09 2012 16:11 GMT
#36
On May 09 2012 21:10 Krowser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2012 19:11 viletomato wrote:
After watching the new wrath movie, I came to an unsettling realization... Diablo the big badass boss of the Diablo franchise may not even be in the game! We may never encounter him as a boss.

It is possible that the scary Diablo seen on the box and in the cinematics is the representation of the 'true' form of Diablo BEFORE he was overthrown into Sanctuary. The cinematics of Diablo could just be a flashback to explain the lore, like a deckard cain story.

This is why i think Diablo the Lord of Terror may not even come up as an act boss in the game:

1. Diablo was slain in D2 by the hero, how could he magically obtain such a powerful form after only twenty years? Remember that after the prime evils were cast out, Diablo was in a weakened state such that he couldn't even posses King Leroic. He had to gradually gain power by swapping bodies. Unless the breaking of the soulstones somehow unbound his powers so he could come out in his ultimate form. If this is the case, then why did Tyreal tell Marius to destroy the soul stones at hellforge? It seems odd to me that Tyreal didnt tell the hero in D2 at Pandemonium Fortress to trap Diablo instead of slaying him, since Diablo is an entity that is not destroyed when the phyiscal vessel is destroyed (as seen Wrath).

2. Could he be an act boss? Well we already know that + Show Spoiler +
siegebreaker
is most likely going to be the act 1 boss. I think it would be highly probable that Azmodan or belial be an act boss in either act 3 or 4. Other possible bosses that come into mind in acts 2-3 may appear: mistress of pain, zoltun kulle, imperius. Does that leave any room for Diablo to make an appearance?

I for one would be disappointed if I did not face Diablo in battle in Diablo 3. But after what i have seen I am fearing it might be true. What do you think?




If you've watched the Wrath movie you must have seen the part where Tyrael says that if Diablo is killed instead of imprisoned, he will COME BACK.

To me, that means he's a boss.

Also, you can't have a Diablo game without yours truly.



He has come back many times already, if he was to appear in D3, this is at least the 4th time he has been killed. 1st Imperious, 2nd by Prince Aiden in D1 3rd by the hero in D2 now again in D3. ...probably came back many times more

Well I can't say much after it is revealed that he is in the game by Blizzard. I am wondering how they will handle this lore wise, because killing him doesn't mean anything if you know he is going to pop right up again.

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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
May 09 2012 16:47 GMT
#37
I want Diablo, and not an easy diablo but a fucking beast that can't be killed unles you're 5.
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Coolness53
Profile Joined April 2010
United States668 Posts
May 09 2012 16:51 GMT
#38
Diablo is the end game boss of Diablo III.
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Netherlands917 Posts
May 09 2012 16:55 GMT
#39
I have no doubts that Diablo is the final boss of the classic diablo 3 game, what I want to know is who they are gonna come up with as the bosses in the expansion sets (Again Baal and Mephisto, or maybe Tathamet?) since we slay Imperius and Diablo in the classic game from what I have found.
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TheRealDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
United States213 Posts
May 09 2012 16:58 GMT
#40
On May 10 2012 00:39 unkkz wrote:
Im guessing something Imperius does causes Diablo to return, or mortals have something to do with it as Imperius is down in sanctuary. He is there either to punish humans or hes down there to fix his own misstake. The thing is the short film shows who Imperius is, had they imprisoned Diablo there he would be out of the fight for good pretty much. Captive in the high heavens, doubt hell would be able to get him back anytime soon. But Imperious is full of hatred(lol SW references) and doesn't think with reasoning or logic, he's lost all touch with the rest of the angels who approached the situation more carefully.

Either that or Imperius has gone batshit insane and brought Diablo back himself, since when the conflict ends, if it ever does. What's he gonna do?`He's the one angel that has absolutely nothing other then fighting demons, its all he does and knows.


Well I hope they don't use the same concept as + Show Spoiler +
Izual, where he betrays heaven by showing the prime evils how to use the soulstones.
The only way I see them going about it is that heaven wants Imperius dead so he is forced to join sides with demons to protect himself. I have no idea though.
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