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After watching the new wrath movie, I came to an unsettling realization... Diablo the big badass boss of the Diablo franchise may not even be in the game! We may never encounter him as a boss.
It is possible that the scary Diablo seen on the box and in the cinematics is the representation of the 'true' form of Diablo BEFORE he was overthrown into Sanctuary. The cinematics of Diablo could just be a flashback to explain the lore, like a deckard cain story.
This is why i think Diablo the Lord of Terror may not even come up as an act boss in the game:
1. Diablo was slain in D2 by the hero, how could he magically obtain such a powerful form after only twenty years? Remember that after the prime evils were cast out, Diablo was in a weakened state such that he couldn't even posses King Leroic. He had to gradually gain power by swapping bodies. Unless the breaking of the soulstones somehow unbound his powers so he could come out in his ultimate form. If this is the case, then why did Tyreal tell Marius to destroy the soul stones at hellforge? It seems odd to me that Tyreal didnt tell the hero in D2 at Pandemonium Fortress to trap Diablo instead of slaying him, since Diablo is an entity that is not destroyed when the phyiscal vessel is destroyed (as seen Wrath).
2. Could he be an act boss? Well we already know that + Show Spoiler + is most likely going to be the act 1 boss. I think it would be highly probable that Azmodan or belial be an act boss in either act 3 or 4. Other possible bosses that come into mind in acts 2-3 may appear: mistress of pain, zoltun kulle, imperius. Does that leave any room for Diablo to make an appearance?
I for one would be disappointed if I did not face Diablo in battle in Diablo 3. But after what i have seen I am fearing it might be true. What do you think?
Poll: Will Diablo return as an act boss?Yes, it won't be a Diablo game without Diablo (135) 91% He will have a cameo but not an act boss (8) 5% No, Diablo won't make it in the game. (5) 3% 148 total votes Your vote: Will Diablo return as an act boss? (Vote): Yes, it won't be a Diablo game without Diablo
(Vote): No, Diablo won't make it in the game.
(Vote): He will have a cameo but not an act boss
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+ Show Spoiler +I think it's pretty obvious after playing the beta, that it has to do sth. with the meteor crashing into the citadel that he will get resurected (I mean it resurected leoric so why shouldn't it has the power to bring Diablo back
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Blizzard has already answered this:
+ Show Spoiler +Diablo will be the boss of Act 4.
Apparently, after 1.5 years, this is my 100th post.
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The soulstones were a sham according to Izual, the girl leia is the daughter of the D1 witch and the hero who defeated Diablo, later becoming diablo in Diablo 2. So just here there are two possibilities of how he returns, three if you add in the meteor, four if you consider the black soulstone. He's in the game allright.
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On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler +
+ Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss.
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Also people seem to forget that there can be more then one boss per act? Diablo is obviously a main boss but for characters like Imperius, Mistress of pain and whatever an Izual:esque appearance is perfectly fine.
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On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:+ Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss.
+ Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss.
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On May 09 2012 19:42 okinoki wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss. + Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss.
+ Show Spoiler +i thought Imperius was a "good" guy?
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On May 09 2012 19:45 KezseN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 19:42 okinoki wrote:On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss. + Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss. + Show Spoiler +i thought Imperius was a "good" guy?
+ Show Spoiler +I guess "good" guys are made to be corrupted by "bad" guys. That wouldn't be the first time... 
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On May 09 2012 19:45 KezseN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 19:42 okinoki wrote:On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss. + Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss. + Show Spoiler +i thought Imperius was a "good" guy?
+ Show Spoiler +Imperius and Tyrael never got along very well. Imperius also afaik doesn't share Tyraels concern of humanity. Also if you check the recent animated short film released, and listen to what Diablo says and how Imperius acts throughout the movie you'll get a little insight to how he is as a "person". He will stop at nothing in defeating the burning hells, it is all that matters. He'd gladly sacrifice legions of angels and the entire human race to accomplish his goal.
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I'm the second no Diablo vote. This game is going to be all about corruption and the lesser evils taking control of hell's forces. Diablo will make at most a cameo, nothing more.
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On May 09 2012 20:11 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 19:45 KezseN wrote:On May 09 2012 19:42 okinoki wrote:On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss. + Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss. + Show Spoiler +i thought Imperius was a "good" guy? + Show Spoiler +Imperius and Tyrael never got along very well. Imperius also afaik doesn't share Tyraels concern of humanity. Also if you check the recent animated short film released, and listen to what Diablo says and how Imperius acts throughout the movie you'll get a little insight to how he is as a "person". He will stop at nothing in defeating the burning hells, it is all that matters. He'd gladly sacrifice legions of angels and the entire human race to accomplish his goal.
Ah k, tht explains it. 6 more days people!
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On May 09 2012 20:11 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 19:45 KezseN wrote:On May 09 2012 19:42 okinoki wrote:On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss. + Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss. + Show Spoiler +i thought Imperius was a "good" guy? + Show Spoiler +Imperius and Tyrael never got along very well. Imperius also afaik doesn't share Tyraels concern of humanity. Also if you check the recent animated short film released, and listen to what Diablo says and how Imperius acts throughout the movie you'll get a little insight to how he is as a "person". He will stop at nothing in defeating the burning hells, it is all that matters. He'd gladly sacrifice legions of angels and the entire human race to accomplish his goal.
can you link the animated short film?
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On May 09 2012 20:29 7mk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 20:11 unkkz wrote:On May 09 2012 19:45 KezseN wrote:On May 09 2012 19:42 okinoki wrote:On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss. + Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss. + Show Spoiler +i thought Imperius was a "good" guy? + Show Spoiler +Imperius and Tyrael never got along very well. Imperius also afaik doesn't share Tyraels concern of humanity. Also if you check the recent animated short film released, and listen to what Diablo says and how Imperius acts throughout the movie you'll get a little insight to how he is as a "person". He will stop at nothing in defeating the burning hells, it is all that matters. He'd gladly sacrifice legions of angels and the entire human race to accomplish his goal. can you link the animated short film?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336017
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On May 09 2012 20:27 KezseN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 20:11 unkkz wrote:On May 09 2012 19:45 KezseN wrote:On May 09 2012 19:42 okinoki wrote:On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss. + Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss. + Show Spoiler +i thought Imperius was a "good" guy? + Show Spoiler +Imperius and Tyrael never got along very well. Imperius also afaik doesn't share Tyraels concern of humanity. Also if you check the recent animated short film released, and listen to what Diablo says and how Imperius acts throughout the movie you'll get a little insight to how he is as a "person". He will stop at nothing in defeating the burning hells, it is all that matters. He'd gladly sacrifice legions of angels and the entire human race to accomplish his goal. Ah k, tht explains it. 6 more days people!
From the wiki about imperius:
+ Show Spoiler +When Sanctuary was discovered by the Angiris Council, he was the first one to raise a voice against its existence. He regarded humans as abominations polluted by the presence of Demon blood in their veins. He tried his best to have the hidden world destroyed but was opposed by his counterpart Auriel, eventually resulting in a Council vote to decide Sanctuary's fate. The vote went against his favor when Tyrael shockingly voted for humanity, but Imperius still harbors a deep grudge against the "demon-spawn" humans.
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I will only be satisfied if Diablo gets to be the last boss of the last expansion.
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On May 09 2012 20:33 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 20:29 7mk wrote:On May 09 2012 20:11 unkkz wrote:On May 09 2012 19:45 KezseN wrote:On May 09 2012 19:42 okinoki wrote:On May 09 2012 19:31 kuresuti wrote:On May 09 2012 19:22 okinoki wrote:I think we know who the act bosses are.. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler +How accurate is this? I was certain one of the angels (Tyrael or Imperius) would be an act boss. + Show Spoiler +It's not official. Based on profile/achievement pictures they found. The boss of each of the acts has been heavily speculated, even the final boss is open for debate. That could all now be settled with the discovery of another image post in the Beta Forum, apparently boss profiles that will appear in your profile once you have defeated each. Each has a picture and the Act number above them. from: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/act-bosses-confirmed+ Show Spoiler +imgur not working for me at the moment, sorry for wrong scaled pics... Imperius is speculated for an expansion boss. + Show Spoiler +i thought Imperius was a "good" guy? + Show Spoiler +Imperius and Tyrael never got along very well. Imperius also afaik doesn't share Tyraels concern of humanity. Also if you check the recent animated short film released, and listen to what Diablo says and how Imperius acts throughout the movie you'll get a little insight to how he is as a "person". He will stop at nothing in defeating the burning hells, it is all that matters. He'd gladly sacrifice legions of angels and the entire human race to accomplish his goal. can you link the animated short film? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=336017
thx that was pretty awesome
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On May 09 2012 19:11 viletomato wrote:After watching the new wrath movie, I came to an unsettling realization... Diablo the big badass boss of the Diablo franchise may not even be in the game! We may never encounter him as a boss. It is possible that the scary Diablo seen on the box and in the cinematics is the representation of the 'true' form of Diablo BEFORE he was overthrown into Sanctuary. The cinematics of Diablo could just be a flashback to explain the lore, like a deckard cain story. This is why i think Diablo the Lord of Terror may not even come up as an act boss in the game: 1. Diablo was slain in D2 by the hero, how could he magically obtain such a powerful form after only twenty years? Remember that after the prime evils were cast out, Diablo was in a weakened state such that he couldn't even posses King Leroic. He had to gradually gain power by swapping bodies. Unless the breaking of the soulstones somehow unbound his powers so he could come out in his ultimate form. If this is the case, then why did Tyreal tell Marius to destroy the soul stones at hellforge? It seems odd to me that Tyreal didnt tell the hero in D2 at Pandemonium Fortress to trap Diablo instead of slaying him, since Diablo is an entity that is not destroyed when the phyiscal vessel is destroyed (as seen Wrath). 2. Could he be an act boss? Well we already know that + Show Spoiler + is most likely going to be the act 1 boss. I think it would be highly probable that Azmodan or belial be an act boss in either act 3 or 4. Other possible bosses that come into mind in acts 2-3 may appear: mistress of pain, zoltun kulle, imperius. Does that leave any room for Diablo to make an appearance? I for one would be disappointed if I did not face Diablo in battle in Diablo 3. But after what i have seen I am fearing it might be true. What do you think?
If you've watched the Wrath movie you must have seen the part where Tyrael says that if Diablo is killed instead of imprisoned, he will COME BACK.
To me, that means he's a boss.
Also, you can't have a Diablo game without yours truly.
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On May 09 2012 21:10 Krowser wrote:
Also, you can't have a Diablo game without yours truly.
Pretty much this sentence rite here
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I'm going to go with something Heaven does ends up speeding along the resurrection of Diablo. Or the Diablo you see is actually Clayface or something.
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Doesn't Diablo get slain in D1? (I know he goes in to the wanderer).
Isn't D2 all about Baal and Mephisto?
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On May 09 2012 22:29 Grovbolle wrote:
Doesn't Diablo get slain in D1? (I know he goes in to the wanderer).
Isn't D2 all about Baal and Mephisto?
In Diablo 2 you kill Diablo in Act 4.
In Lord of Destruction you kill Baal in Act 5. Diablo gets killed and comes back in some form, in every game.
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On May 09 2012 22:38 SolHeiM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 22:29 Grovbolle wrote:
Doesn't Diablo get slain in D1? (I know he goes in to the wanderer).
Isn't D2 all about Baal and Mephisto? In Diablo 2 you kill Diablo in Act 4. In Lord of Destruction you kill Baal in Act 5. Diablo gets killed and comes back in some form, in every game.
Ohh yeah, I remember now. Just played act 4 and 5 yesterday, (first time), but didn't actually remember Diablo
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It wouldn't exactly make sense to name the game Diablo 3 without at least including diablo as a boss in it.
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It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?
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On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?
It says in the diablo wiki that demons can't truly die. If you "kill" one, it is returned to the Black Abyss, which it can escape somehow (Hi Diablo!). I don't think the soulstones could lead to the souls captured in them to be destroyed, only imprisoned.
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LOL, so many spoilers, some are less serious than others, if you have serious spoilers you should put a spoiler in a spoiler in a spoiler yo!
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On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?
I mentioned this on the first page but will say it again. The soulstones were a scam. They did not do what the high heavens thought they did, Izual states so in Diablo 2 i think, or its in some books somewhere. Point is, yes the soulstones were meant to capture the evils so that they could be contained and even then ultimately, destroyed.
But you see the Horadrim, the ancient order of warriors who battled the prime evils to finally captured them was lead by Tyrael. They were a bunch of powerfull mages, that Tyrael brought together for the task of capturing the prime evils, k you with me so far? From the wiki: "When the Horadrim was new, it was formed by only a handful of members, among them Tal Rasha, Jered Cain and a mage by the name of Zoltun Kulle. Though records since the time of the hunt for the Three are hard to come by, it is speculated that Kulle specialized in enchantments and transmutation. He was charged with carrying the Soul Stones meant to imprison the Prime Evils.
After the arduous, decade-long task was complete, Kulle was left a hollow man. He devised a means of restoring his humanity by forging a Black Soulstone with which he planned to harness the essence of angels and demons. Before his plan was enacted, however, he was slain by his former Horadric colleages, and all his research was destroyed. "
Now Zoltun Kulle is the guy who made the Soulstones, but he went batshit insane along the line, most likely one of the prime evils got to him, promissed him endless powers if he made the soulstones flawed. I have heard this from Blizz sources somewhere but i cannot recall where that was. The point is, the Soulstones were a ploy by the prime evils, they weren't as strong as believed.
And about the world stone and the consequences of it being destroyed:
On March 08 2012 04:17 Nethermind wrote:
3. Humans in Sanctuary are the product of a union between (rebellious) Angels and Demons (who did not want to partake in the eternal conflict, stole the worldstone, the point of the conflict, created Sanctuary, and hid it there), originally called the Nephalem. As a result they were greatly powerful beings. The renegade Angels and Demons, concerned about the increasing powers manifesting in the Nephalem, decided to purge them in order to keep Sanctuary hidden from the Angel and Demon hosts. The leader of the rebelion, the Angel Inarius then attuned the Worldstone to cause the Nephalem's powers to diminish over time.
Baal later corrupts the Worldstone with the intention of using humans with their Nephalem-heritage/powers activated as weapons in the eternal conflict as tools against the Angels.
Tyrael destroys the Worldstone, judging (he is the Angel of Justice) it is better destroyed than corrupted. It's destruction will allow people to (potentially) realise their Nephalem heritage, with many theories circling around Leah (as per Cain's prophecy/dream noted in the Book of Cain) as such an example.
As a final note, the Worldstone was never used to hide Sanctuary, Sanctuary was used to hide the Worldstone, from the parties of the Eternal Conflict. The events of the Sin Wars (which precede Diablo games) outline the period of time where Heavens and Hells find Sanctuary, indirectly and directly influence events, and ultimately form a pact to leave Sanctuary to human influences alone with each other.
Hope that helps!
But as a poster above me said, you cannot destroy a demon. And per the book of Cain, Diablo is currently in the Black abyss or the endless void, how he got back we do not know, but there are speculations in this thread about it.
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Yeah he's definitely coming back. Even without knowing all the spoilers (which I do) it's kind of obvious since he's the main bad guy in the series.
Can't wait to beat his bitch ass in Diablo 3. I remember how badly he owned me the first time through in Diablo 2 so it should be a lot of fun.
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Thanks unkkz, that helps a lot. Still seems weird that the Soulstones were 'corrupt' as it was Tyrael who ordered their creation (so you could say it's possible to make them with the functionality they were meant to have) , but alright, that Zoltun guy seems like a good way to make it fit. Kinda.  So the destruction of the Worldstone means that humans will gain great power again! I just hope they won't choose the Dark Side, though, haha.
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On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?
Well, maybe the destruction of the World Stone is exactly what brings down the barriers between worlds and lets him come back so easily?
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Im guessing something Imperius does causes Diablo to return, or mortals have something to do with it as Imperius is down in sanctuary. He is there either to punish humans or hes down there to fix his own misstake. The thing is the short film shows who Imperius is, had they imprisoned Diablo there he would be out of the fight for good pretty much. Captive in the high heavens, doubt hell would be able to get him back anytime soon. But Imperious is full of hatred(lol SW references) and doesn't think with reasoning or logic, he's lost all touch with the rest of the angels who approached the situation more carefully.
Either that or Imperius has gone batshit insane and brought Diablo back himself, since when the conflict ends, if it ever does. What's he gonna do?`He's the one angel that has absolutely nothing other then fighting demons, its all he does and knows.
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Im spamming this thread i know but, this is what Izual says in Diablo 2: ""Tyrael was a fool to have trusted me! You see, it was I who told Diablo and his brothers about the Soulstones and how to corrupt them. It was I who helped the Prime Evils mastermind their exile to your world. The plan we set in motion so long ago cannot be stopped by any mortal agency. Hell itself is poised to spill forth into your world like a tidal wave of blood and nightmares. You and all your kind...are doomed"."
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On May 09 2012 21:10 Krowser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 19:11 viletomato wrote:After watching the new wrath movie, I came to an unsettling realization... Diablo the big badass boss of the Diablo franchise may not even be in the game! We may never encounter him as a boss. It is possible that the scary Diablo seen on the box and in the cinematics is the representation of the 'true' form of Diablo BEFORE he was overthrown into Sanctuary. The cinematics of Diablo could just be a flashback to explain the lore, like a deckard cain story. This is why i think Diablo the Lord of Terror may not even come up as an act boss in the game: 1. Diablo was slain in D2 by the hero, how could he magically obtain such a powerful form after only twenty years? Remember that after the prime evils were cast out, Diablo was in a weakened state such that he couldn't even posses King Leroic. He had to gradually gain power by swapping bodies. Unless the breaking of the soulstones somehow unbound his powers so he could come out in his ultimate form. If this is the case, then why did Tyreal tell Marius to destroy the soul stones at hellforge? It seems odd to me that Tyreal didnt tell the hero in D2 at Pandemonium Fortress to trap Diablo instead of slaying him, since Diablo is an entity that is not destroyed when the phyiscal vessel is destroyed (as seen Wrath). 2. Could he be an act boss? Well we already know that + Show Spoiler + is most likely going to be the act 1 boss. I think it would be highly probable that Azmodan or belial be an act boss in either act 3 or 4. Other possible bosses that come into mind in acts 2-3 may appear: mistress of pain, zoltun kulle, imperius. Does that leave any room for Diablo to make an appearance? I for one would be disappointed if I did not face Diablo in battle in Diablo 3. But after what i have seen I am fearing it might be true. What do you think? If you've watched the Wrath movie you must have seen the part where Tyrael says that if Diablo is killed instead of imprisoned, he will COME BACK. To me, that means he's a boss. Also, you can't have a Diablo game without yours truly.
He has come back many times already, if he was to appear in D3, this is at least the 4th time he has been killed. 1st Imperious, 2nd by Prince Aiden in D1 3rd by the hero in D2 now again in D3. ...probably came back many times more
Well I can't say much after it is revealed that he is in the game by Blizzard. I am wondering how they will handle this lore wise, because killing him doesn't mean anything if you know he is going to pop right up again.
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I want Diablo, and not an easy diablo but a fucking beast that can't be killed unles you're 5.
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Diablo is the end game boss of Diablo III.
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I have no doubts that Diablo is the final boss of the classic diablo 3 game, what I want to know is who they are gonna come up with as the bosses in the expansion sets (Again Baal and Mephisto, or maybe Tathamet?) since we slay Imperius and Diablo in the classic game from what I have found.
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On May 10 2012 00:39 unkkz wrote:
Im guessing something Imperius does causes Diablo to return, or mortals have something to do with it as Imperius is down in sanctuary. He is there either to punish humans or hes down there to fix his own misstake. The thing is the short film shows who Imperius is, had they imprisoned Diablo there he would be out of the fight for good pretty much. Captive in the high heavens, doubt hell would be able to get him back anytime soon. But Imperious is full of hatred(lol SW references) and doesn't think with reasoning or logic, he's lost all touch with the rest of the angels who approached the situation more carefully.
Either that or Imperius has gone batshit insane and brought Diablo back himself, since when the conflict ends, if it ever does. What's he gonna do?`He's the one angel that has absolutely nothing other then fighting demons, its all he does and knows.
Well I hope they don't use the same concept as + Show Spoiler +Izual, where he betrays heaven by showing the prime evils how to use the soulstones.
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Well I do think Baal and Mephisto will make a appearance. If they make 2-3 more expansions then I still think Diablo once more or some made up new prime evil....Also how about Tyreal in Diablo III is actually a bad guy and he is making you think your doing something good but in the end due the corrupted soulstone he is actually bad guy. He turns into Angelic evil Baal zomg.
Disclaimer: Btw I have no idea what happens in Diablo III and have not read anything on Diablo III except what blizzard has provided.
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I think many of you are missing a pretty important factor here, namely the destruction of the worldstone? It was supposed to have had epic consequences that no one could foresee including the angels. A lot of people here are saying that no prime evil is truly destroyed, they are just sent to the black abyss after which they come back eventually...so even if their soulstone was destroyed, they can still come back.
The reason why they used the soulstones in the first place was because it was better to imprison a prime evil for eternity than to have to periodically fight them when they come back from the black abyss. But the problem was as Izual stated in Diablo 2, the soulstones were corrupted, which allowed the prime evils to exert enough influence on mankind to manifest on the mortal realm again (i.e. mephisto and the zakarum council).
So in the end its better to destroy the soulstone than allow a corrupted one to remain, as it would at least keep the prime evils at bay for a longer period of time in the black abyss (I'm guessing). I'm guessing the destruction of the worldstone tore at the barriers that normally keep prime evils and demons at bay in the black abyss, allowing Diablo to manifest again a lot faster than usual.
Not sure what the story is with Azmodan, but he's pretty cool looking and I can't wait to see what the deal is with the black soul stones, and of course the angel Imperius . Only one week away!!
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It must also have broken the barriers between angels and mankind.
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Humans are hybrids. The worldstone, along with doing other things, kept the power of most (notably not the "heroes" as much) down at "human" levels. They are supposed to be more powerful than angels or demons as a race. Which also means that the "heroes" are actually a lot more powerful than you'd think, or would be, in a generation or two, being the strongest of the humans.
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On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this?
D2 spoilers >>+ Show Spoiler +They go to the black abyss, that's why, I'd guess, they made the soulstones in the first place, because they can't be killed, only imprisoned, the catch is Izual taught the Prime Evils how to corrupt the soulstones.
(Am I the only one who finds Diablo's lore better than the other blizz games?)
Lol, everyone already said what I said better than me. Sorry.
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On May 10 2012 03:10 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this? D2 spoilers >> + Show Spoiler +They go to the black abyss, that's why, I'd guess, they made the soulstones in the first place, because they can't be killed, only imprisoned, the catch is Izual taught the Prime Evils how to corrupt the soulstones. (Am I the only one who finds Diablo's lore better than the other blizz games?) Lol, everyone already said what I said better than me. Sorry.
Honestly think it is interesting. Never thought which series had the better story though.
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On May 10 2012 03:15 Coolness53 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 03:10 Alpino wrote:On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this? D2 spoilers >> + Show Spoiler +They go to the black abyss, that's why, I'd guess, they made the soulstones in the first place, because they can't be killed, only imprisoned, the catch is Izual taught the Prime Evils how to corrupt the soulstones. (Am I the only one who finds Diablo's lore better than the other blizz games?) Lol, everyone already said what I said better than me. Sorry. Honestly think it is interesting. Never thought which series had the better story though.
SC had amazing lore but SC2 didn't deliver at all and the plot with Duran didn't advance.
WC had great lore but then they turned it into an MMO and, let's face it, it's a mess now. Some MMOs pull off lore well (Guild Wars) but Blizzard did not.
So yeah, Diablo is the only story they didn't violate... yet.
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On May 10 2012 04:43 Kurr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 03:15 Coolness53 wrote:On May 10 2012 03:10 Alpino wrote:On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this? D2 spoilers >> + Show Spoiler +They go to the black abyss, that's why, I'd guess, they made the soulstones in the first place, because they can't be killed, only imprisoned, the catch is Izual taught the Prime Evils how to corrupt the soulstones. (Am I the only one who finds Diablo's lore better than the other blizz games?) Lol, everyone already said what I said better than me. Sorry. Honestly think it is interesting. Never thought which series had the better story though. SC had amazing lore but SC2 didn't deliver at all and the plot with Duran didn't advance. WC had great lore but then they turned it into an MMO and, let's face it, it's a mess now. Some MMOs pull off lore well (Guild Wars) but Blizzard did not. So yeah, Diablo is the only story they didn't violate... yet.
I hope Starcraft II Heart of the Swarm expands on Duran. I do also agree the MMO is destroying the lore of World of Warcraft. I used to love the lore to Warcraft but it is becoming really awful. I don't even want to see a Warcraft IV.
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I am keeping my expectations low, so i dont get disappointed.
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On May 10 2012 04:52 Coolness53 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:43 Kurr wrote:On May 10 2012 03:15 Coolness53 wrote:On May 10 2012 03:10 Alpino wrote:On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this? D2 spoilers >> + Show Spoiler +They go to the black abyss, that's why, I'd guess, they made the soulstones in the first place, because they can't be killed, only imprisoned, the catch is Izual taught the Prime Evils how to corrupt the soulstones. (Am I the only one who finds Diablo's lore better than the other blizz games?) Lol, everyone already said what I said better than me. Sorry. Honestly think it is interesting. Never thought which series had the better story though. SC had amazing lore but SC2 didn't deliver at all and the plot with Duran didn't advance. WC had great lore but then they turned it into an MMO and, let's face it, it's a mess now. Some MMOs pull off lore well (Guild Wars) but Blizzard did not. So yeah, Diablo is the only story they didn't violate... yet. I hope Starcraft II Heart of the Swarm expands on Duran. I do also agree the MMO is destroying the lore of World of Warcraft. I used to love the lore to Warcraft but it is becoming really awful. I don't even want to see a Warcraft IV.
(Sadly) you probably won't, WoW has killed any chance for another Warcraft RTS in my opinion =(
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I don't think he will make an appearance
but meh, who cares anyways, as long as the boss fights are fun and look cool I dont care which boss in particular I am fighting.
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On May 10 2012 04:52 Coolness53 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:43 Kurr wrote:On May 10 2012 03:15 Coolness53 wrote:On May 10 2012 03:10 Alpino wrote:On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this? D2 spoilers >> + Show Spoiler +They go to the black abyss, that's why, I'd guess, they made the soulstones in the first place, because they can't be killed, only imprisoned, the catch is Izual taught the Prime Evils how to corrupt the soulstones. (Am I the only one who finds Diablo's lore better than the other blizz games?) Lol, everyone already said what I said better than me. Sorry. Honestly think it is interesting. Never thought which series had the better story though. SC had amazing lore but SC2 didn't deliver at all and the plot with Duran didn't advance. WC had great lore but then they turned it into an MMO and, let's face it, it's a mess now. Some MMOs pull off lore well (Guild Wars) but Blizzard did not. So yeah, Diablo is the only story they didn't violate... yet. I hope Starcraft II Heart of the Swarm expands on Duran. I do also agree the MMO is destroying the lore of World of Warcraft. I used to love the lore to Warcraft but it is becoming really awful. I don't even want to see a Warcraft IV.
That's what happens when you drag a story out for so long. x-x
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On May 10 2012 05:05 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 04:52 Coolness53 wrote:On May 10 2012 04:43 Kurr wrote:On May 10 2012 03:15 Coolness53 wrote:On May 10 2012 03:10 Alpino wrote:On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this? D2 spoilers >> + Show Spoiler +They go to the black abyss, that's why, I'd guess, they made the soulstones in the first place, because they can't be killed, only imprisoned, the catch is Izual taught the Prime Evils how to corrupt the soulstones. (Am I the only one who finds Diablo's lore better than the other blizz games?) Lol, everyone already said what I said better than me. Sorry. Honestly think it is interesting. Never thought which series had the better story though. SC had amazing lore but SC2 didn't deliver at all and the plot with Duran didn't advance. WC had great lore but then they turned it into an MMO and, let's face it, it's a mess now. Some MMOs pull off lore well (Guild Wars) but Blizzard did not. So yeah, Diablo is the only story they didn't violate... yet. I hope Starcraft II Heart of the Swarm expands on Duran. I do also agree the MMO is destroying the lore of World of Warcraft. I used to love the lore to Warcraft but it is becoming really awful. I don't even want to see a Warcraft IV. That's what happens when you drag a story out for so long. x-x
Agreed.
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On May 10 2012 05:37 Coolness53 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 05:05 StarStruck wrote:On May 10 2012 04:52 Coolness53 wrote:On May 10 2012 04:43 Kurr wrote:On May 10 2012 03:15 Coolness53 wrote:On May 10 2012 03:10 Alpino wrote:On May 09 2012 23:00 aseq wrote:
It adds a touch of 'we meet again' when you fight Diablo again, therefore I think he will be in. But from the lore side, it's ridiculous. The soulstones were destroyed, they were meant to capture the Prime Evil's souls which could then be destroyed. Now, all of a sudden, Diablo's there again, and the only way to keep him away is to imprison him. C'mon Blizzard, get your lore together, this isn't Dragon Ball Z! Also, I would like to know what implications the destruction of the World Stone had, anyone know this? D2 spoilers >> + Show Spoiler +They go to the black abyss, that's why, I'd guess, they made the soulstones in the first place, because they can't be killed, only imprisoned, the catch is Izual taught the Prime Evils how to corrupt the soulstones. (Am I the only one who finds Diablo's lore better than the other blizz games?) Lol, everyone already said what I said better than me. Sorry. Honestly think it is interesting. Never thought which series had the better story though. SC had amazing lore but SC2 didn't deliver at all and the plot with Duran didn't advance. WC had great lore but then they turned it into an MMO and, let's face it, it's a mess now. Some MMOs pull off lore well (Guild Wars) but Blizzard did not. So yeah, Diablo is the only story they didn't violate... yet. I hope Starcraft II Heart of the Swarm expands on Duran. I do also agree the MMO is destroying the lore of World of Warcraft. I used to love the lore to Warcraft but it is becoming really awful. I don't even want to see a Warcraft IV. That's what happens when you drag a story out for so long. x-x Agreed.
Its like Prison Break, should have ended after S1
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