Purpose: Rush HC, 60 and Inferno as fast as viably possible (ie world/server firsts) At Launch: 72-96 hour marathon session (ideally getting to 60 before sleeping) Commitment: 1 straight week of HC play, 12 hours a day minimum (I'll personally be doing 5 weeks) Voice Chat: Skype Groups: 2 full (4 player) groups (so when people start dying off/falling behind there's still a full party to progress) Request: People able to commit to the above Contact: If interested contact me at DarkPhenomenon@shaw.ca
Thanks!
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Details about Charity stream for Doctors Without Borders that Arch will be hosting on http://www.twitch.tv/arch00 May15th-May20th
We're really looking for people to commit to at least 48 hours straight out of the gate. And 12 hour days up until Sunday the 20th. I posted here for Matt, the guy whos email is linked in the OP. He's planning on going 3-4 days straight, I've personally committed to 48.
It'll be fun! We still need 2-3 more willing souls for a challenge they'll never forget
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
That's what I thought, but I wasn't positive.
No, Hardcore is where your characters die permanently, which is what the OP is doing.
The difficulty levels are normal nightmare hell inferno
edit: dat snipe
Oh if he's really trying a HC rush...
That sounds stupidly painful on no sleep.
No death with no sleep sounds difficult. But it sounds like the operator may die before the character does. I want to see it accomplished nonetheless.
Yeah i don't really think thats possible. When I played HC even only on nightmare in D2 i had to go soooo slow to not die and that was with full rest. 60 hours with no sleep I would have died so many times.
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
That's what I thought, but I wasn't positive.
No, Hardcore is where your characters die permanently, which is what the OP is doing.
The difficulty levels are normal nightmare hell inferno
edit: dat snipe
Oh if he's really trying a HC rush...
That sounds stupidly painful on no sleep.
No death with no sleep sounds difficult. But it sounds like the operator may die before the character does. I want to see it accomplished nonetheless.
Yeah i don't really think thats possible. When I played HC even only on nightmare in D2 i had to go soooo slow to not die and that was with full rest. 60 hours with no sleep I would have died so many times.
I think it's proven that Sleepless driving is worse than drunk driving I wonder how it compares in gaming.
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
That's what I thought, but I wasn't positive.
No, Hardcore is where your characters die permanently, which is what the OP is doing.
The difficulty levels are normal nightmare hell inferno
edit: dat snipe
Oh if he's really trying a HC rush...
That sounds stupidly painful on no sleep.
No death with no sleep sounds difficult. But it sounds like the operator may die before the character does. I want to see it accomplished nonetheless.
Yeah i don't really think thats possible. When I played HC even only on nightmare in D2 i had to go soooo slow to not die and that was with full rest. 60 hours with no sleep I would have died so many times.
I think it's proven that Sleepless driving is worse than drunk driving I wonder how it compares in gaming.
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
That's what I thought, but I wasn't positive.
No, Hardcore is where your characters die permanently, which is what the OP is doing.
The difficulty levels are normal nightmare hell inferno
edit: dat snipe
Oh if he's really trying a HC rush...
That sounds stupidly painful on no sleep.
No death with no sleep sounds difficult. But it sounds like the operator may die before the character does. I want to see it accomplished nonetheless.
Yeah i don't really think thats possible. When I played HC even only on nightmare in D2 i had to go soooo slow to not die and that was with full rest. 60 hours with no sleep I would have died so many times.
I think it's proven that Sleepless driving is worse than drunk driving I wonder how it compares in gaming.
I'm the guy organizing this and 60+ hours of HC isn't a death sentence (in game or literally). I've done 2 separate 72 hour long D2 HC ladder reset rushes, both 2 boxing with a mouse in each and I never died, was #1 and #2 on the ladder until I had to sleep and go back to work.
It's possible and I guarantee you I won't die due to tiredness :p
On April 26 2012 14:21 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Hey all,
I'm the guy organizing this and 60+ hours of HC isn't a death sentence (in game or literally). I've done 2 separate 72 hour long D2 HC ladder reset rushes, both 2 boxing with a mouse in each and I never died, was #1 and #2 on the ladder until I had to sleep and go back to work.
It's possible and I guarantee you I won't die due to tiredness :p
I almost want to try this just because it's something new...
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno
Hardcore means Perma death
it goes:
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno HC Normal HC Nightmare HC Hell HC Inferno
sleep deprivation will be the cause of many deaths i'm sure. my poker abilities tend to go downhill after hour number 30 -_-
wait really, you have to clear inferno to play HC?
No you do not have to complete the game to start a hardcore character. I'm not sure why this was posted. They are completely different game modes. Hardcore is not a difficulty level. Although it is difficult, it is a seperate game mode with a seperate ladder and everything. People who play the normal ladder cannot play games with people on the hardcore ladder.
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno
Hardcore means Perma death
it goes:
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno HC Normal HC Nightmare HC Hell HC Inferno
sleep deprivation will be the cause of many deaths i'm sure. my poker abilities tend to go downhill after hour number 30 -_-
wait really, you have to clear inferno to play HC?
No you do not have to complete the game to start a hardcore character. I'm not sure why this was posted. They are completely different game modes. Hardcore is not a difficulty level. Although it is difficult, it is a seperate game mode with a seperate ladder and everything. People who play the normal ladder cannot play games with people on the hardcore ladder.
He merely implies that HC Normal is harder than Inferno.
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno
Hardcore means Perma death
it goes:
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno HC Normal HC Nightmare HC Hell HC Inferno
sleep deprivation will be the cause of many deaths i'm sure. my poker abilities tend to go downhill after hour number 30 -_-
wait really, you have to clear inferno to play HC?
No you do not have to complete the game to start a hardcore character. I'm not sure why this was posted. They are completely different game modes. Hardcore is not a difficulty level. Although it is difficult, it is a seperate game mode with a seperate ladder and everything. People who play the normal ladder cannot play games with people on the hardcore ladder.
But one cannot simply log in with a new account and no heroes and play hardcore. One must beat the game a time or two before that "game mode" is available.
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno
Hardcore means Perma death
it goes:
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno HC Normal HC Nightmare HC Hell HC Inferno
sleep deprivation will be the cause of many deaths i'm sure. my poker abilities tend to go downhill after hour number 30 -_-
wait really, you have to clear inferno to play HC?
No you do not have to complete the game to start a hardcore character. I'm not sure why this was posted. They are completely different game modes. Hardcore is not a difficulty level. Although it is difficult, it is a seperate game mode with a seperate ladder and everything. People who play the normal ladder cannot play games with people on the hardcore ladder.
But one cannot simply log in with a new account and no heroes and play hardcore. One must beat the game a time or two before that "game mode" is available.
Stop spitting misinformation, you just need to get level 10 on a normal character to access hardcore, have you not played the beta? The same rules will apply in retail, per blizzard.
On April 26 2012 14:21 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Hey all,
I'm the guy organizing this and 60+ hours of HC isn't a death sentence (in game or literally). I've done 2 separate 72 hour long D2 HC ladder reset rushes, both 2 boxing with a mouse in each and I never died, was #1 and #2 on the ladder until I had to sleep and go back to work.
It's possible and I guarantee you I won't die due to tiredness :p
clearly there is a big difference between a d2 ladder reset run and trying to do this on the brand new unknown d3. mistakes due to fatigue are much more likely to cost you here.
anyway, 72 straight for the d2 run is insane lol. best of luck to you
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno
Hardcore means Perma death
it goes:
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno HC Normal HC Nightmare HC Hell HC Inferno
sleep deprivation will be the cause of many deaths i'm sure. my poker abilities tend to go downhill after hour number 30 -_-
wait really, you have to clear inferno to play HC?
i was joking
i think you have to get your character to level 10 or something before HC mode gets unlocked. i am not sure why that's even necessary but it's better than having to complete normal mode to unlock hc, which was their original plan
Jesus, the best I can do right now is 3-4 hours straight than I have to take an 30 mins to a hour break than I can go for another 3-4 hours and thats it.
Best of luck with your plan but please place breaks inbetween. We dont want someone to get hurt from playing games here.
On April 26 2012 15:05 Chriscras wrote: STREAM DIS SHIT!
It would be epic to watch and see who dies first LOL
I will be streaming this actually, www.twitch.tv/arch00 , I plan on doing a charity fundraiser all week for Doctors without Borders, there will be prizes etc! fun fun.
On April 26 2012 15:12 dae wrote: As far as I know, you have to complete normal to make a hardcore character, and this was changed in the Beta in order to open up hardcore for testing (as before it would be impossible). On release I expect that it will be changed back to completing normal first.
Blizzard has already said it won't be, please stop bringing it up
On April 26 2012 15:12 dae wrote: As far as I know, you have to complete normal to make a hardcore character, and this was changed in the Beta in order to open up hardcore for testing (as before it would be impossible). On release I expect that it will be changed back to completing normal first.
Blizzard has already said it won't be, please stop bringing it up
On April 26 2012 15:05 Chriscras wrote: STREAM DIS SHIT!
It would be epic to watch and see who dies first LOL
I will be streaming this actually, www.twitch.tv/arch00 , I plan on doing a charity fundraiser all week for Doctors without Borders, there will be prizes etc! fun fun.
Should make sure to advertise that link before you guys start. I will definitely watch, probably while I play noobcore LOL
I did something similar when LoD came out. My clanmate got the first 99 HC character. I recommend you get 4-6 hours of sleep every 20 hours or so. By about 40 hours you wont be doing any good staying up longer and if you wait till that point you probably wont wake up without sleeping for 10-12 hours.
On April 26 2012 16:14 ChuCky.Ca wrote: have a life no ty
Why even bother to say anything at all then? You have a life? As if we do not? Get over yourself.
Anyway, good luck with this, but please try to be reasonable and not put yourselves in danger. Most of the guys that get server/world first play in shifts. It's cool to get these things, but it's not cool to risk your health for them. Also, as already mentioned, the more sleep deprived and rushed you become to get done, the more mistakes you will make. Not a good recipe while playing Hardcore. Better to nap for a bit and refresh yourself than die and have to start from lvl 1 again!
On April 26 2012 16:20 KillerSOS wrote: Can HC chars buy items dropped by normal mode ladder?
If so I see no reason to play HC first...
No, but they can purchase items from the HC AH. On day 1 not gonna be much there, though I would think. If you play hardcore, you may as well forget normal mode even exists. The only interaction you will have with normal ladder players is in chat.
On April 26 2012 16:20 KillerSOS wrote: Can HC chars buy items dropped by normal mode ladder?
If so I see no reason to play HC first...
No, but they can purchase items from the HC AH, but on day 1 not gonna be much there I would think. If you play hardcore, you may as well forget normal mode even exists. The only interaction you will have with normal ladder players is in chat.
there isn't going to be a HC real money auction house on release as far as a i know. they did say they were considering it. i really hope they don't
On April 26 2012 16:01 Medzo wrote: I did something similar when LoD came out. My clanmate got the first 99 HC character. I recommend you get 4-6 hours of sleep every 20 hours or so. By about 40 hours you wont be doing any good staying up longer and if you wait till that point you probably wont wake up without sleeping for 10-12 hours.
I agree with you mostly, ive personally never stayed up more than 24 hrs straight, so doing 48 is just kind of a challenge for myself. I think Matt is nuts for doing 4 days straight personally :p
Oh man i have to work the fucking whole week so i could play just 5-6 hours a day. That really sucks Plz do a post every 5 or 10 levels with a nice screen so we could follow your progress.
With TP having cast time and being interruptable by damage(?) and no "Save & Exit" cowardice outside towns without a countdown... all I can say is good luck with later difficulties when tiredness starts to hit :D respect for taking the challenge.
I think more people will turn to HC in D3 than D2 since you have so many character slots and there isn't really a reason to level another same class for softcore. It'll be pretty interesting.
That is a really long time to play straight. I remember trying to do something like this when Wrath of the Lich King launched and i was going delerious just in day 2. I kept thinking I like knew the zone and quests that I was doing even tho I had never played the beta to it lol. I did get server first gnome/first alliance mage though
I would watch it if only I wasn't playing myself. I don't think youd get many views lol we will all be playing as much as we can ourselves. I still don't know if I want to go HC first after getting to level 10. I mean it kinda does ruin it by playing until inferno on softcore before doing HC doesn't it. Its an experience you would never get back hmmmm.
D2 HC was so fun!!!!!!! had a few 99's back in the day and a high level pvp trapsin!
On April 26 2012 13:03 ezk wrote: You're not gonna get world/server first unless you share your account information. Just saying...
I doubt that the world first HC will be a shared account, mostly because it will kill your character when you hand it over to someone else who isn't used to the game.
48 hours is a good number for me, I think my personal record is 30, 48 would be an interesting challenge. The one thing I hope is that I don't die on normal. A death on nightmare act 3 or 4 I could stomach maybe, a death on normal or early nightmare would crush me.
On April 26 2012 17:49 Phats wrote: I still don't know if I want to go HC first after getting to level 10. I mean it kinda does ruin it by playing until inferno on softcore before doing HC doesn't it. Its an experience you would never get back hmmmm.
imagine how awesome it would be to finally "beat the game" on HC instead of SC on your first play through, even if it's just normal mode.
2 years ago a friend and i challenged ourselves to stay up for 72 hours, but that wasn't gaming related, although i ended up playing ut while listening to prodigy for hours to stay awake. it's really not that easy(48 hours doesn't even compare, and i think 96 hours is just not doable at a first attempt ^_^). I don't think your chars will stay alive for so long, just because you will be getting delirious, you'll lose your focus, and suddenly you'll see "you have died" without knowing how it happened because you slept in for a second and couldn't do anything against that. So, when you start to feel really tired and slow, you should probably go to sleep for a few hours, if you don't want to lose you char.
still good luck, i hope you can do it! (staying awake for a long time is great fun, you'll see^^)
My experience is that after 24 hours you're just tired, but by 36 you really start having trouble doing much of anything, and by 48 you're completely useless, but good luck nonetheless!
Have you ever been awake 76 hours? I once did it as part of a psychology study. I ended up falling asleep despite amphetamines and it killed my mind fo about a week. I wont be doing it again, proper sleep patterns are really important and besides after 24 hours you really wont enjoy it.
A 76 hour marathon should come with proper health warnings. Sure you can do it, but your stupid as fuck. If you are going to do that, at least get sponsored and donate to charity at least then you are doign something positive for allt he (minor) harm you are doing to yourself.
On April 26 2012 18:03 brobrah wrote: 48 hours is a good number for me, I think my personal record is 30, 48 would be an interesting challenge.
People have tested before how long a human can stay awake and they all fell asleep when coming close to 40 hours - and of course they turned pretty much useless at anything they did way before that. Just saying.
If you're sure you can stay awake for 60 hours and you've done it before, then go solo it because you don't want to die because someone else in group thought he can do the same and then died by pulling bunch of mobs because his head fell on keyboard. you'll all die that way. +you probably know this already but if you're in group sync up everything, from router resets to everything else, coz you don't want to die stupidly because someone fell asleep/god DCed/whatever
Did a 39 hours session a while back...with a shitload of sugar and caffeine but I would'nt attempt it again. Definitly not good for the heart to load up on both of these. Pretty sure I experienced cardiac arrythmia/chest pains at some point. You can also black out and fall asleep for a few min without even noticing it, not to mention hallucinations.
Its much safer to do 18-19hours and sleep 5-6hours, you're still gonna be a wreck by the end of the week though. Helps to stay in focus if you have some weed on hand, just enough mind you.
If you were hardcore you would attempt to beat the game in HC solo, not with teammates, just saying
How ironic, yet it isn't funny. You do realize there is a risk of serious health injury and possibly death with your 96 hour marathon? You, hardcore marathoners, get on news quite often these days with your relatives crying and some doctor saying what idiots you are, not in front of the mother, obviously. I really don't think you should do stuff like that w/o knowing your body's physical limitations and needs, satisfaction of which you take for granted following your daily routine.
Don't encourage people to such things. GL staying alive if you continue on with your wicked ways...
i did 61 straight when d2 first came out.. would not recommend for HC though, cuz there were definitely patches where my concentration was slipping. By the 60 mark my eyes were unfocusing and I kept having trouble bringing them back to the monitor, so I had to concede and go to bed
How ironic, yet it isn't funny. You do realize there is a risk of serious health injury and possibly death with your 96 hour marathon? You, hardcore marathoners, get on news quite often these days with your relatives crying and some doctor saying what idiots you are, not in front of the mother, obviously. I really don't think you should do stuff like that w/o knowing your body's physical limitations and needs, satisfaction of which you take for granted following your daily routine.
Don't encourage people to such things. GL staying alive if you continue on with your wicked ways...
I'd agree if he was doing 96 hours straight, but he said 24-48 at max before (presumably) 12 hours off then 12 on until the end after that bit which can be done fine if you prepare your sleeping ahead of time and ensure you have planned food/drink breaks (which will usually be prepared in advance for speed) and what not.
96 hours would be absolute stupidity though, definately.
96 hours is completely do able for a healthy person, the issue is the people you see in the media that fail at this were rather unhealthy to start with then make it worse by loading up on energy drinks or soda causing their bodies to shut down. I've practice marathons like this before in other games including poker/d2/wow/bw(worst results of the group). As long as you are in decent physical shape, get good sleep before hand, take short breaks during loading screens to get up for 30sec-1min to move around stretch and eat right and not shit like energy drinks and hotpockets you'll do fine.
On April 26 2012 18:03 brobrah wrote: 48 hours is a good number for me, I think my personal record is 30, 48 would be an interesting challenge.
People have tested before how long a human can stay awake and they all fell asleep when coming close to 40 hours - and of course they turned pretty much useless at anything they did way before that. Just saying.
The world record for the longest time a person has gone without sleep is 11 days, and the previous record was 8.5, but way to pull some random numbers out of your ass.
People, sleep deprivation is not dangerous, that's not the reason people die in cyber cafes. The danger is also rarely a preexisting health problem, the killer is dehydration, that's why loading up on energy drinks and sugar is dangerous. If these guys plan out their food and drink intake, the only real danger is hitting your head on your desk when you pass out after trying to stay awake for way to long.
On April 26 2012 21:41 Kaesebrot wrote: NO ONE CARES who is at maxlevel fist!
Lots of people do, that why people bother making groups like this and why gaming news sites always post the story of the first to do things and interview them because people like to know these things. Just because you're angry that you'll never have the dedication to every be first on anything in life doesn't mean you should blindly hate on people attempting it for their own entertainment.
For everyone who is interested in it, here's the wikipedia article about:
Randy Gardner, who "holds the scientifically documented record for the longest period a human being has intentionally gone without sleep not using stimulants of any kind. In 1964—as a 17-year-old high school student in San Diego, California—Gardner stayed awake for 264 hours (eleven days), breaking the previous record of 260 hours held by Tom Rounds of Honolulu."
If I may, just a quick suggestion to everybody whose sleep cycle is going to get demolished during the first days of D3 - and please bear in mind that this is personal experience: in no way am I suggesting that this is what IS going to happen, just that it did happen to me, and that subsequent talks with various medical practitioners (neurologists, mainly) confirmed as being a statistically real possibility. Consider it a word of warning, nothing more.
In 2001, at age 19, I volounteered for a pretty big LAN event in my (then) hometown - roughly 1k PCs over 3 days, which for the time was pretty big in Italy. That meant doing everything from hauling technical equipment off the back of a van to laying an untold amount of Ethernet cables all over this stadium, but the brunt of the work, for me and some of the boys, was checking the PCs of everyone who showed up at the door before hooking them up to the infrastructure. That meant standing behind a desk with a monitor and endlessly plugging case after case after case, turning them on until boot ended, turning them off and waving people in. At the time - being 19, in excellent health and having had no problem whatsoever with computers since I was 3 years old and in front of a Vic20 - I thought nothing could go wrong, even with 18-19 hours of work (and a hell of a lot of fun, of course) for a few days. After all, 5 hours of sleep for 3 days is surely doable, right? Wrong. At the beginning of day 2, as I was checking PCs as usual, one moment I was staring at a monitor, and the next thing I know, I'm laying down and staring at a white ceiling, nauseous as hell and bone-tired. I'm in a bed - a hospital bed - with my relatives around me and my head feels like somebody took a sledgehammer to it. Long story short, overworking my eyes with artificial lights for 18 hours a day and very few hours of sleep had made me cross a physical threshold of sort, and further examination led doctors to the conclusion that I had pushed my brain and body over a limit I didn't know I had. Something had to give, and I had an epileptic seizure, screaming my head off and falling backwards, head first, into a metal crush barrier. Not a pretty sight, and thank goodness I had a male nurse friend standing right next to me who knew what to do. I cut my hair too short, it looks like somebody tried to kill me.
Fast-forward to almost eleven years and a broken nose later - courtesy of another episode - I am now on daily medication, which has side effects which I have to be careful of, and of course I really have to watch the amount of time I can play every day, not to mentionall the hoops I have to jump through every time I have to renew my driving license. And I can't really say that I fully learned the lesson yet, since when SC2 came out I pulled a 4am session and of course had another attack, which had me falling from my chair and breaking my glasses in two very jagged pieces, both very close to my eyes, during a full-on seizure. Count me lucky, I guess.
What I'm getting at is this: I know very well how much you want it to be open servers hour on May 15th, I can hardly wait myself. But please, everybody, be careful. Ask yourself if it is really, really, really worth it. I don't want to sound like a jinxer or whatever, but some lessons have a habit of being very tough to learn, unless you keep your head on your shoulders. Choices always have consequences. For me, being a stupid kid who didn't know any better eleven years ago has led me to something which is definitely not life-shattering, but which I could've done without, and that might have never showed up otherwise. Please think about it, for your own sake, and have fun.
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno
Hardcore means Perma death
it goes:
Normal Nightmare Hell Inferno HC Normal HC Nightmare HC Hell HC Inferno
sleep deprivation will be the cause of many deaths i'm sure. my poker abilities tend to go downhill after hour number 30 -_-
wait really, you have to clear inferno to play HC?
No you do not have to complete the game to start a hardcore character. I'm not sure why this was posted. They are completely different game modes. Hardcore is not a difficulty level. Although it is difficult, it is a seperate game mode with a seperate ladder and everything. People who play the normal ladder cannot play games with people on the hardcore ladder.
But one cannot simply log in with a new account and no heroes and play hardcore. One must beat the game a time or two before that "game mode" is available.
Stop spitting misinformation, you just need to get level 10 on a normal character to access hardcore, have you not played the beta? The same rules will apply in retail, per blizzard.
I did play the beta, and I "beat the beta" only then was Hardcore mode unlocked for me. I didn't realize it was based on a level cap instead of difficulty setting.
Sounds like mad fun starting with hc. Cant imagine the thrill you get when you first step into hell or inferno. I think my favourite gaming experience to this point is still leveling my undergeared, underleveled tweaker sorc in act4/hell classic. God that was intense. People who never played hardcore wont undestand how scared you are at times. Its a whole different experience. I still remember me and my friend as bowie and sorc going through durance/hell and these little puppets swarming at you at lightning fast speed and you just pray you have enough hp, if they explode right next to you. I dont think i have it still in me, to take such a challenge tbh. Mad props to anyone just trying this. I hope you keep us updated!
On April 26 2012 21:23 KiLL_ORdeR wrote: The world record for the longest time a person has gone without sleep is 11 days, and the previous record was 8.5, but way to pull some random numbers out of your ass.
Well, first of all - these persons might be special. And they were monitored by specialists. Then they most likely did nothing at all or even spent the majority of time in some kind of meditation/half-awake state. They weren't highly concentrated the whole time. Moreover I want to specify my statement to ~40 hours without falling into any kind of sleep including microsleep. You don't wanna have microsleeps when playing DIII HC as that will without a doubt end the run rather early.
Wow, sounds like an interesting challenge! I wish you the best of luck
I wish I could take some time off work, as I'd love to do my own version of this, but I think I'd aim to play for 18hours a day, and then get at least 6 hours of sleep. Can you imagine the dreams though? That could be some intense Diablo based nightmares there
We posted this over on the Battle.net forums at the beginning of the month and the response from those assholes was completely opposite to the Team Liquid community. I'm glad we posted here
To reiterate though, most of the group will only be playing up to 48 hours straight and then 12 hour days after that.
Aye, and also to re-iterate, I've done 72 hour long runs on Diablo 2 HC during the ladder resets without bouts of unconsciousness or lack of sanity. As others have said it's about the person and how they take care of themselves. I'm a relatively healthy person and I didn't load up on sugar or energy drinks, I stuck with water and foods like veggies, cheese/crackers, yogurts, sandwiches etc. and it had zero impact to my health. If I die during my 72-96 hour run it's not going to be from tiredness
As people here have mentioned, 1 slip-up in HC just negates all the effort you just put in. It's very likely to occur when you're 20-30 hours into the game, you'll just nod off without even realizing it. Share an account with other people, so each person can put in shorter shifts (8 or 12 hours, depending on the number of people rotating) and get sufficient sleep. Even if you do manage to succeed in getting a level 60 character by the first 48 hours, the first character to complete inferno would probably be somebody else, who shared an account to play 24/7.
This is a sick idea but I don't think Inferno will be so straight forward to just rush to and do server firsts. I'm guessing to actually deal with Hell/Inferno you will need to start gearing out pretty heavily before you are able to compete in them. Best of luck though and I hope you guys achieve some server firsts in Nightmare and Hell =)
I'd just like for everyone who thinks this is stupid to just shut up. No one cares if you think this is stupid. If it makes him happy, let him do whatever he wants. If you can't help, gtfo.
imho biggest thing about this is to set up your goals. If your goal is to be 1st to lvl 60, then go do marathon style, it will probably be the best, but if your goal is to beat inferno 1st that might take alot more time than just 1-2 sessions so you might get seriously fucked up after that 1 really long game session. In that case it might be better to practice http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyphasic_sleep these 2 weeks and then have a week of playing in this rythm. It might be slower to lvl 60, but probably better for inferno
On April 27 2012 00:50 zJayy962 wrote: This is a sick idea but I don't think Inferno will be so straight forward to just rush to and do server firsts. I'm guessing to actually deal with Hell/Inferno you will need to start gearing out pretty heavily before you are able to compete in them. Best of luck though and I hope you guys achieve some server firsts in Nightmare and Hell =)
We don't plan on actually killing things in Inferno, just getting to it. I think you'll need to spend a few days gearing up in Hell difficulty before you tackle mobs with 4 affixes ; ;
On April 27 2012 00:50 zJayy962 wrote: This is a sick idea but I don't think Inferno will be so straight forward to just rush to and do server firsts. I'm guessing to actually deal with Hell/Inferno you will need to start gearing out pretty heavily before you are able to compete in them. Best of luck though and I hope you guys achieve some server firsts in Nightmare and Hell =)
We don't plan on actually killing things in Inferno, just getting to it. I think you'll need to spend a few days gearing up in Hell difficulty before you tackle mobs with 4 affixes ; ;
But all the glory and e-peen lies in being the first to clear Inferno!... however long that takes. I also forgot to ask: have you tried something similar? What is the longest time you've spent awake AND conscious?
On April 27 2012 00:50 zJayy962 wrote: This is a sick idea but I don't think Inferno will be so straight forward to just rush to and do server firsts. I'm guessing to actually deal with Hell/Inferno you will need to start gearing out pretty heavily before you are able to compete in them. Best of luck though and I hope you guys achieve some server firsts in Nightmare and Hell =)
We don't plan on actually killing things in Inferno, just getting to it. I think you'll need to spend a few days gearing up in Hell difficulty before you tackle mobs with 4 affixes ; ;
Yeah I guess that's what I expected. Hope you guys accomplish what you set out to do.
I'd like they to succeed but I think it's highly unlikely (24)
50%
They will fail (14)
29%
They will succeed (4)
8%
I want them to fail but it's likely they will succeed (2)
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I don't care for this challenge (2)
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I am a part of this challenge (2)
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48 total votes
Your vote: Will they succeed?
(Vote): They will succeed (Vote): They will fail (Vote): I'd like they to succeed but I think it's highly unlikely (Vote): I want them to fail but it's likely they will succeed (Vote): I don't care for this challenge (Vote): I am a part of this challenge
I'd like they to succeed but I think it's highly unlikely (24)
50%
They will fail (14)
29%
They will succeed (4)
8%
I want them to fail but it's likely they will succeed (2)
4%
I don't care for this challenge (2)
4%
I am a part of this challenge (2)
4%
48 total votes
Your vote: Will they succeed?
(Vote): They will succeed (Vote): They will fail (Vote): I'd like they to succeed but I think it's highly unlikely (Vote): I want them to fail but it's likely they will succeed (Vote): I don't care for this challenge (Vote): I am a part of this challenge
Wheres the option "Most of them will fail but a few will succeed." I'm pretty sure the more they play the more careless they will get and therefore the more people will start dying off. If they begin with the ideal number of 8, I say 2 or 3 will make it out. Hopefully if the do die they die early so they can catch up to the others.
I'd like they to succeed but I think it's highly unlikely (24)
50%
They will fail (14)
29%
They will succeed (4)
8%
I want them to fail but it's likely they will succeed (2)
4%
I don't care for this challenge (2)
4%
I am a part of this challenge (2)
4%
48 total votes
Your vote: Will they succeed?
(Vote): They will succeed (Vote): They will fail (Vote): I'd like they to succeed but I think it's highly unlikely (Vote): I want them to fail but it's likely they will succeed (Vote): I don't care for this challenge (Vote): I am a part of this challenge
Wheres the option "Most of them will fail but a few will succeed." I'm pretty sure the more they play the more careless they will get and therefore the more people will start dying off. If they begin with the ideal number of 8, I say 2 or 3 will make it out. Hopefully if the do die they die early so they can catch up to the others.
Players will definitely die, a realistic goal would be for 1 or 2 of us to survive through hell.
D3 HC is going to be infinitely harder compared to D2 based on no more Alt+F4ing and no more instant Town portal escapes. Then combine that with some of the new affixes like, Jailer, Nightmarish (fears your character, can't control it) and many others. I think we'll have to slow down our pace towards the end of nightmare and whatnot to make sure we have the necessary gear to survive the last push through hell difficulty.
The trick I think to staying up longer than 24 hours is drinking lots of healthy water, and eating healthy foods. Most people envision someone slamming red bull's and eating doritos during a gaming marathon. I plan on eating mostly healthy stuff, probably mixed nuts etc.
I'm kinda wondering: Are you sure there is a "Feat of Strength" or achivement associated with being the first Hardcore anything (level 60, completion of inferno)?
I seem to recall an official post saying that they removed "First ..." type achievements or maybe it was just class-based.
Yes our initial goal is to become the first HC 60 players (ideally world firsts but due to the gated start times we will likley have to settle for Americas Region first).
After that I fully plan on attempting to do the World/Region first HC Inferno clear and for that goal I've booked 5 paid weeks off and plan on playing 16+ hours a day after the intial rush in order to fear gear to clear Inferno. I don't think I'll beat the groups dedicated to gearing a select few people or account sharers, but then again farming gear in Hardcore Hell isn't going to be an easy, gold farmer task either so you never know
I'm pretty sure they removed feats of strength, but going by the Beta I'm 99.99% positive level achievements will be in the game, especially hitting max level on HC. Achievements are also datestamped, but not timestamped so as for undeniable proof the best we'll be able to do is prove who all hit 60 during that first day 60's were achieved. With any luck we'll be the only ones
On April 26 2012 22:32 Kerans wrote: If I may, just a quick suggestion to everybody whose sleep cycle is going to get demolished during the first days of D3 - and please bear in mind that this is personal experience: in no way am I suggesting that this is what IS going to happen, just that it did happen to me, and that subsequent talks with various medical practitioners (neurologists, mainly) confirmed as being a statistically real possibility. Consider it a word of warning, nothing more.
In 2001, at age 19, I volounteered for a pretty big LAN event in my (then) hometown - roughly 1k PCs over 3 days, which for the time was pretty big in Italy. That meant doing everything from hauling technical equipment off the back of a van to laying an untold amount of Ethernet cables all over this stadium, but the brunt of the work, for me and some of the boys, was checking the PCs of everyone who showed up at the door before hooking them up to the infrastructure. That meant standing behind a desk with a monitor and endlessly plugging case after case after case, turning them on until boot ended, turning them off and waving people in. At the time - being 19, in excellent health and having had no problem whatsoever with computers since I was 3 years old and in front of a Vic20 - I thought nothing could go wrong, even with 18-19 hours of work (and a hell of a lot of fun, of course) for a few days. After all, 5 hours of sleep for 3 days is surely doable, right? Wrong. At the beginning of day 2, as I was checking PCs as usual, one moment I was staring at a monitor, and the next thing I know, I'm laying down and staring at a white ceiling, nauseous as hell and bone-tired. I'm in a bed - a hospital bed - with my relatives around me and my head feels like somebody took a sledgehammer to it. Long story short, overworking my eyes with artificial lights for 18 hours a day and very few hours of sleep had made me cross a physical threshold of sort, and further examination led doctors to the conclusion that I had pushed my brain and body over a limit I didn't know I had. Something had to give, and I had an epileptic seizure, screaming my head off and falling backwards, head first, into a metal crush barrier. Not a pretty sight, and thank goodness I had a male nurse friend standing right next to me who knew what to do. I cut my hair too short, it looks like somebody tried to kill me.
Fast-forward to almost eleven years and a broken nose later - courtesy of another episode - I am now on daily medication, which has side effects which I have to be careful of, and of course I really have to watch the amount of time I can play every day, not to mentionall the hoops I have to jump through every time I have to renew my driving license. And I can't really say that I fully learned the lesson yet, since when SC2 came out I pulled a 4am session and of course had another attack, which had me falling from my chair and breaking my glasses in two very jagged pieces, both very close to my eyes, during a full-on seizure. Count me lucky, I guess.
What I'm getting at is this: I know very well how much you want it to be open servers hour on May 15th, I can hardly wait myself. But please, everybody, be careful. Ask yourself if it is really, really, really worth it. I don't want to sound like a jinxer or whatever, but some lessons have a habit of being very tough to learn, unless you keep your head on your shoulders. Choices always have consequences. For me, being a stupid kid who didn't know any better eleven years ago has led me to something which is definitely not life-shattering, but which I could've done without, and that might have never showed up otherwise. Please think about it, for your own sake, and have fun.
No one else did, so I will: thanks for the heads up
On April 27 2012 03:22 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes our initial goal is to become the first HC 60 players (ideally world firsts but due to the gated start times we will likley have to settle for Americas Region first).
After that I fully plan on attempting to do the World/Region first HC Inferno clear and for that goal I've booked 5 paid weeks off and plan on playing 16+ hours a day after the intial rush in order to fear gear to clear Inferno. I don't think I'll beat the groups dedicated to gearing a select few people or account sharers, but then again farming gear in Hardcore Hell isn't going to be an easy, gold farmer task either so you never know
You took 5 weeks of paid vacation from your job just to hardcore nerd d3?
On April 27 2012 03:22 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes our initial goal is to become the first HC 60 players (ideally world firsts but due to the gated start times we will likley have to settle for Americas Region first).
After that I fully plan on attempting to do the World/Region first HC Inferno clear and for that goal I've booked 5 paid weeks off and plan on playing 16+ hours a day after the intial rush in order to fear gear to clear Inferno. I don't think I'll beat the groups dedicated to gearing a select few people or account sharers, but then again farming gear in Hardcore Hell isn't going to be an easy, gold farmer task either so you never know
You took 5 weeks of paid vacation from your job just to hardcore nerd d3?
Lmao nice
Lol, only on diablo 3. I haven't seen this many nerds talk about how they'll grind the crap out of this game ever before. Rest assured that I'll be one of them lol
I did alot of those crazy runs in D2 but no one in our team kept going for much longer than 40 hours. I dont think its possible to play that long while staying alive :O prove me wrong :D
On April 27 2012 03:22 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes our initial goal is to become the first HC 60 players (ideally world firsts but due to the gated start times we will likley have to settle for Americas Region first).
After that I fully plan on attempting to do the World/Region first HC Inferno clear and for that goal I've booked 5 paid weeks off and plan on playing 16+ hours a day after the intial rush in order to fear gear to clear Inferno. I don't think I'll beat the groups dedicated to gearing a select few people or account sharers, but then again farming gear in Hardcore Hell isn't going to be an easy, gold farmer task either so you never know
People say i'm crazy because i took 3 days off just to play D3 but 5 week o.O have fun man :D
On April 26 2012 22:32 Kerans wrote: If I may, just a quick suggestion to everybody whose sleep cycle is going to get demolished during the first days of D3 - and please bear in mind that this is personal experience: in no way am I suggesting that this is what IS going to happen, just that it did happen to me, and that subsequent talks with various medical practitioners (neurologists, mainly) confirmed as being a statistically real possibility. Consider it a word of warning, nothing more.
In 2001, at age 19, I volounteered for a pretty big LAN event in my (then) hometown - roughly 1k PCs over 3 days, which for the time was pretty big in Italy. That meant doing everything from hauling technical equipment off the back of a van to laying an untold amount of Ethernet cables all over this stadium, but the brunt of the work, for me and some of the boys, was checking the PCs of everyone who showed up at the door before hooking them up to the infrastructure. That meant standing behind a desk with a monitor and endlessly plugging case after case after case, turning them on until boot ended, turning them off and waving people in. At the time - being 19, in excellent health and having had no problem whatsoever with computers since I was 3 years old and in front of a Vic20 - I thought nothing could go wrong, even with 18-19 hours of work (and a hell of a lot of fun, of course) for a few days. After all, 5 hours of sleep for 3 days is surely doable, right? Wrong. At the beginning of day 2, as I was checking PCs as usual, one moment I was staring at a monitor, and the next thing I know, I'm laying down and staring at a white ceiling, nauseous as hell and bone-tired. I'm in a bed - a hospital bed - with my relatives around me and my head feels like somebody took a sledgehammer to it. Long story short, overworking my eyes with artificial lights for 18 hours a day and very few hours of sleep had made me cross a physical threshold of sort, and further examination led doctors to the conclusion that I had pushed my brain and body over a limit I didn't know I had. Something had to give, and I had an epileptic seizure, screaming my head off and falling backwards, head first, into a metal crush barrier. Not a pretty sight, and thank goodness I had a male nurse friend standing right next to me who knew what to do. I cut my hair too short, it looks like somebody tried to kill me.
Fast-forward to almost eleven years and a broken nose later - courtesy of another episode - I am now on daily medication, which has side effects which I have to be careful of, and of course I really have to watch the amount of time I can play every day, not to mentionall the hoops I have to jump through every time I have to renew my driving license. And I can't really say that I fully learned the lesson yet, since when SC2 came out I pulled a 4am session and of course had another attack, which had me falling from my chair and breaking my glasses in two very jagged pieces, both very close to my eyes, during a full-on seizure. Count me lucky, I guess.
What I'm getting at is this: I know very well how much you want it to be open servers hour on May 15th, I can hardly wait myself. But please, everybody, be careful. Ask yourself if it is really, really, really worth it. I don't want to sound like a jinxer or whatever, but some lessons have a habit of being very tough to learn, unless you keep your head on your shoulders. Choices always have consequences. For me, being a stupid kid who didn't know any better eleven years ago has led me to something which is definitely not life-shattering, but which I could've done without, and that might have never showed up otherwise. Please think about it, for your own sake, and have fun.
No one else did, so I will: thanks for the heads up
I did alot of those crazy runs in D2 but no one in our team kept going for much longer than 40 hours. I dont think its possible to play that long while staying alive :O prove me wrong :D
Already proved you wrong, I've done 2 seperate 72 hour D2 HC Ladder reset runs and didn't die during either of them
72 hours? doing coke is a requirement?
lol no, just eating good food like veggies and yogurt, and keeping hydrated with water, not coffee and energy drinks
You're welcome, man. Have fun!
Thanks for the advice dude, my body is fairly used to artifical light, 9 hours a day in front of a computer at work and then another 6 at home... x 10 years = well adjusted body!
And lastly thank you for all the support, these forums have been about 100000x times more positive than any other, I'm pleasantly surprised!
On April 27 2012 03:25 DarkPhenomenon wrote: I'm pretty sure they removed feats of strength, but going by the Beta I'm 99.99% positive level achievements will be in the game, especially hitting max level on HC. Achievements are also datestamped, but not timestamped so as for undeniable proof the best we'll be able to do is prove who all hit 60 during that first day 60's were achieved. With any luck we'll be the only ones
You're right. I believe the SC2 ones only datestamp the day/month/year but not the time so we could get a lot of "firsts" on the same day.
On April 27 2012 03:22 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes our initial goal is to become the first HC 60 players (ideally world firsts but due to the gated start times we will likley have to settle for Americas Region first).
After that I fully plan on attempting to do the World/Region first HC Inferno clear and for that goal I've booked 5 paid weeks off and plan on playing 16+ hours a day after the intial rush in order to fear gear to clear Inferno. I don't think I'll beat the groups dedicated to gearing a select few people or account sharers, but then again farming gear in Hardcore Hell isn't going to be an easy, gold farmer task either so you never know
People say i'm crazy because i took 3 days off just to play D3 but 5 week o.O have fun man :D
I took 3 days vacation as well and people are calling me crazy too. Lines right up into the weekend and Monday is a statutory holiday here in BC Canada so 6 days off in a row! I'll be taking some breaks in between for sure. Maybe even an overnight trip somewhere. Being in front of the monitor for so long can't be good for you.
Good luck with this. I prefer to take my time and have fun exploring slowly but to each his own. I never understood the need to marathon a new game. It's not going to disappear on me, and usually the first day is the worst one because of all the people logged on.
Actually, most games I buy, I either can't play on release day because of other things (work, university, etc) or just buy a couple of days later after the hype has died down and people start talking about the flaws and pros of the game.
I think I'll actually be able to play for this release day so pretty pumped for it overall, but not in the same way as others on the internet are. I actually want to play the game for a while --- not beat it/destroy it mercilessly; althought I suspect that will happen in normal wether I want it to or not.
I imagine a play through of normal, done regularly, will take 10-15 hours. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see the game being incredibly long.
I wish you guys well. Just afraid that around the 50 hour mark people are going to have to start over with Level 1's.
Personally, I will set my alarm for 3AM and start updating and go back to sleep until 9AM. Then play from 9-9. A solid 12 hour session with quick breaks for the bathroom and to restock water/snacks. I won't be rushing as I plan to open every chest, shoot every barrel, stump, coffin. I want to enjoy the game while getting deep into the game.
I'm hoping to be at the start of Act 4 Normal at the end of my Day 1. I might be able to finish Normal in 12 hours, but really exploring and looting everything, might not allow that to happen.
Good luck to everyone on enjoying D3 the way you want to enjoy it.
After sleeping 4 hours per night for 2 days and failing to get my server first on my death knight in wotlk by 13 minutes I officially reject your kind offer. I wish you good luck though.
To those attempting this, I would recommend you watch Kenny vs Spenny season 1 episode 2. It's a TV show where they do random competitions, and that episode is : who can stay awake the longest.
A funny show, but going 3 days without sleep is not as easy as you think, even when you're glued to a screen. Personally, I start to feel bad when I stay up for 1 night and if I attempt a second night I pretty much feel terrible for several days afterwards. I've done around 30-40 overnights and have done 2 nights once. I can't recommend it to anyone sane. I did those for studies (was in pharmacy) but nowadays I can't anymore, my body just can't take it. It really messes with your mind. I was pretty much permanently tired for 3 years because of those and it fucks with your mood and such as well.
Marathoning for a few days is fine, just take 5-6 hours of sleep at least per day.
wow, thats one hell of a plan. pretty dangerous though, people have died from sessions as long as those. I can't even imagine not sleeping for 72 hours, something similar happened to me year and a half ago (exams) but I managed to get 2-4 hours every night with my stress levels being at 400%. Felt like shit after 3-4 days of that. Mind you, I WANTED to sleep but couldn't. Can't even imagine how it is when you DON'T WANT to sleep but CAN. I'd probably either fall asleep at the keyboard around the 18hr mark or die around the 30 hour mark if I'd manage to fight sleep.
good luck and be careful, don't die, and don't let anyone else die.
On April 26 2012 21:41 Kaesebrot wrote: NO ONE CARES who is at maxlevel fist!
Lots of people do, that why people bother making groups like this and why gaming news sites always post the story of the first to do things and interview them because people like to know these things. Just because you're angry that you'll never have the dedication to every be first on anything in life doesn't mean you should blindly hate on people attempting it for their own entertainment.
You just confirmed that nobody cares about these things. People who read those articles and see some sort of e-fame in these accomplishments fall under the category of nobodies.
And its not just about sleep, its also about strain on the eyes, neck, wrists, mouse fingers, etc.
On April 26 2012 21:41 Kaesebrot wrote: NO ONE CARES who is at maxlevel fist!
Lots of people do, that why people bother making groups like this and why gaming news sites always post the story of the first to do things and interview them because people like to know these things. Just because you're angry that you'll never have the dedication to every be first on anything in life doesn't mean you should blindly hate on people attempting it for their own entertainment.
You just confirmed that nobody cares about these things. People who read those articles and see some sort of e-fame in these accomplishments fall under the category of nobodies.
And its not just about sleep, its also about strain on the eyes, neck, wrists, mouse fingers, etc.
If someone cares then its justified. It doesn't matter how many care and they surely aren't nobodies just because you dont care. I hope you guys pull it off :D
Just thought I'd reply to this topic since I'm part of the group thats going to be doing this.
For all of the "Holy shit 48 hours wtfbbq" people, a good number of us have stayed up for long amounts of time before and know how to do it properly. Heck this semester I've pulled 2 30+ hour sessions just cause I've been so damned busy with school.
In terms of success, I think that normal will be no problem. I'm expected a couple close calls, but with the way CC works and our class selections, I'm anticipating that we can just chain CC almost everything we encounter. It'll start to get harder in Nightmare and Hell when mobs start to have CC reduction built in. I honestly think that we'll be a decent way into Nightmare after the first 24 hours and hopefully will be progressing nicely through it (or maybe even beaten it) by the time the initial 48 rolls around.
I myself am going to do 36 hours for sure and planning on 48 for the initial run. I'd also encourage everyone here to at least tune in to Arch's stream of this since we'll not only be screaming at each other whenever were low on health, but also trying to figure out the best ways to synergize our builds and approach each tough encounter with a hopefully flawless strategy that ensures no deaths.
On April 27 2012 03:22 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes our initial goal is to become the first HC 60 players (ideally world firsts but due to the gated start times we will likley have to settle for Americas Region first).
After that I fully plan on attempting to do the World/Region first HC Inferno clear and for that goal I've booked 5 paid weeks off and plan on playing 16+ hours a day after the intial rush in order to fear gear to clear Inferno. I don't think I'll beat the groups dedicated to gearing a select few people or account sharers, but then again farming gear in Hardcore Hell isn't going to be an easy, gold farmer task either so you never know
People say i'm crazy because i took 3 days off just to play D3 but 5 week o.O have fun man :D
I took 1 day off with annual and i was feeling very guilty + nerdy. 5 weeks..DAYYYUUUUUMMMM
On April 27 2012 10:54 Yakota wrote: I took 1 day off with annual and i was feeling very guilty + nerdy. 5 weeks..DAYYYUUUUUMMMM
Well people who play like this ain't office workers and such. I'd say most of them are late teenagers with no summer jobs/no school/no responsibilities.
I would guess that worlds first to 60 will be account sharing, probably Asians. You can't really beat 8 people who play 4 accounts on 12 hours shift, bonus if they all at the same place which facilitate communication.
Hardcore rush on content you've never seen before ? Straight to inferno as fast as you can ? No sleep ?
Buddy, I'm pretty sure you'll just die when you get into the harder difficulties and have no idea about mob / boss mechanics.
Please stream it so I can see a person lose their soul and wreck their room when they are the first person to lose a lvl 60 permanently ( if you make it that far before dying your first death ).
Well we'll have the core boss mechanics down from normal, I imagine they'll be pretty similar in the higher difficulties, only harder. They'll probably handle it the same way they handle heroic instances in WoW - it's essentially the same fight only a little more challenging. For example, instead of shooting 1 poison cloud on normal, the boss shoots 2 on nightmare. Who knows but that's just my guess. The big thing I'm worried about is running into a really devious elite pack with fucked up affixes.
I'm very curious to see if any of the boss fights are similar to the Mephisto fight in Diablo 2. He had a few of the Unique Council members in his chambers.
Imagine in Diablo 3 theres a boss like that, except now you're locked into the event and you also can't logout anymore. You could be locked in with 3 ridiculous affix modifiers in Hell mode (and 4 in Inferno). Certain combinations might not be possible to beat without basically the best gear and impeccable tactics.
Most of the team has played plenty of D2 HC, so we know how to be careful. People will die though, and it will be streamed
On April 27 2012 14:22 brobrah wrote: The big thing I'm worried about is running into a really devious elite pack with fucked up affixes.
That's what I'm thinking. A teleporting elite mob or somesuch that focuses down one of your chars. You lose one ally and it could easily cascade from there if you can't get back to town and regroup.
On April 27 2012 14:04 absalom86 wrote: Hardcore rush on content you've never seen before ? Straight to inferno as fast as you can ? No sleep ?
Buddy, I'm pretty sure you'll just die when you get into the harder difficulties and have no idea about mob / boss mechanics.
Please stream it so I can see a person lose their soul and wreck their room when they are the first person to lose a lvl 60 permanently ( if you make it that far before dying your first death ).
I will be streaming my full run at it in hardcore, honestly tho if I don't die then it means this game is a joke and no one wants that.
If only I had the time to watch the stream but will be playing myself. I bet your group splits up after a while. I mean if you die at like level 45 you are gonna feel so crushed. How are you going to get back up to the others? and they won't be able to continue until your high enough again especially if your a key member like the Witchdoctor with ur tanky minions ><
I don't see ur group staying together unless ur longtime friends either IRL or from other games. After so long without sleep, dieing will simply cause you to RAGE sooo hard. Will be hilarious on stream though
Oh maybe an idea if one of you die you all make new toons so that you end up having extra characters at high level to swap and choose what you need? O well I hope you have fun dieing to Lightning enchanted mobs that are also wallers and have aura's that reduce your resistance while also being molten and leaving fire all over the ground inbetween the walls
On April 26 2012 21:41 Kaesebrot wrote: NO ONE CARES who is at maxlevel fist!
Lots of people do, that why people bother making groups like this and why gaming news sites always post the story of the first to do things and interview them because people like to know these things. Just because you're angry that you'll never have the dedication to every be first on anything in life doesn't mean you should blindly hate on people attempting it for their own entertainment.
You just confirmed that nobody cares about these things. People who read those articles and see some sort of e-fame in these accomplishments fall under the category of nobodies.
And its not just about sleep, its also about strain on the eyes, neck, wrists, mouse fingers, etc.
Hmm did he just say this?
Nobody can be better than me. So everyone that's better than me is a nobody.
I'm so sad I won't be able to watch this live, but I'll be playing the game myself (though exploring everywhere and softcoring my first char). Hope it'll be on Twitch with VoDs or YT or something though.
On April 27 2012 14:43 Arch00 wrote: I'm very curious to see if any of the boss fights are similar to the Mephisto fight in Diablo 2. He had a few of the Unique Council members in his chambers.
Imagine in Diablo 3 theres a boss like that, except now you're locked into the event and you also can't logout anymore. You could be locked in with 3 ridiculous affix modifiers in Hell mode (and 4 in Inferno). Certain combinations might not be possible to beat without basically the best gear and impeccable tactics.
Most of the team has played plenty of D2 HC, so we know how to be careful. People will die though, and it will be streamed
Can we count on some youtube video with highlights of your run (including all deaths ofc ]:->) after everything is over?
With you best luck, guys. You are sooo crazy but in positive way.
This thread makes me wonder how many deaths (in real life) there will be after a week from launch of the game. Seriously.
Also, imagine dying (ingame) after you've spent 1-2 weeks playing and nothing else. Those 2 weeks were just wasted. Oh em geeee.. I would quit the game instantly.
On April 27 2012 19:48 tetrismaan wrote: This thread makes me wonder how many deaths (in real life) there will be after a week from launch of the game. Seriously.
Also, imagine dying (ingame) after you've spent 1-2 weeks playing and nothing else. Those 2 weeks were just wasted. Oh em geeee.. I would quit the game instantly.
There will be 0 deaths in real life. There might be someone falling asleep on their keyboards, but there's like 0.001% chance that someone healthy can just force himself into death doing something like this. Your body will just fight it by falling asleep.
as for the second part, they will have fun during those 2 weeks, sure it's gonna be dissapointing once they die, but if it was fun for them, cool.
Are the builds and planning top secret? Would love to see what the plans are like. I haven't even planned out a build from 0-60, just mucked around with possible lv60 builds.
Are the builds and planning top secret? Would love to see what the plans are like. I haven't even planned out a build from 0-60, just mucked around with possible lv60 builds.
We don't have specific builds or classes yet (we're in the process of sorting classes but there's no hard rules about what classes we *have* to have). In regards to builds there's nothing set in stone other than focusing on survival but there's too much we don't know right now. For example I'm running as a Barb and I'm focusing heavily on armor through various skills, but if the mitigation from armor is subject to diminishing returns (which I'm assuming it will be), then I might be overdoing it and in essence wasting skill or passive slots.
In addition if we're all extremely defensive we might not have the damage output to overcome constantly spawning mobs (like the dudes that summon skeletons) so we'll have to adjust our party to be slight more damage oriented.
So we're going to be changing our builds and plans on the fly based on the content of the game, there's no set in stone plans right now, there are some expectations though (one being a required 24 hours of gameplay upon midnight PST)
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
That's what I thought, but I wasn't positive.
No, Hardcore is where your characters die permanently, which is what the OP is doing.
The difficulty levels are normal nightmare hell inferno
edit: dat snipe
Oh if he's really trying a HC rush...
That sounds stupidly painful on no sleep.
i so much hope they will all rip in inferno and some1 who slept more will be servers first :D just go for 36 / sleep / 24 / sleep etc... sessions, should be enough.
On April 26 2012 13:55 KillerSOS wrote: Are you guys doing Hardcore? Or a "hardcore" rush to 60?
I'm down for the second, as I played Cata about 40 hours straight when it came out... but I don't really want to make a hardcore character.
Believe that refers to difficulty: Normal->Hardcore->Inferno
That's what I thought, but I wasn't positive.
No, Hardcore is where your characters die permanently, which is what the OP is doing.
The difficulty levels are normal nightmare hell inferno
edit: dat snipe
Oh if he's really trying a HC rush...
That sounds stupidly painful on no sleep.
i so much hope they will all rip in inferno and some1 who slept more will be servers first :D just go for 36 / sleep / 24 / sleep etc... sessions, should be enough.
Pretty sure Dark is the only one playing 4/5 days straight. I'm assuming the rest of us will shoot for somewhere between 24 - 48 hours, sleep then same thing repeated.
If we die we die... if you see playing the game as a waste of time I don't know what to tell you.
On April 27 2012 19:48 tetrismaan wrote: This thread makes me wonder how many deaths (in real life) there will be after a week from launch of the game. Seriously.
Also, imagine dying (ingame) after you've spent 1-2 weeks playing and nothing else. Those 2 weeks were just wasted. Oh em geeee.. I would quit the game instantly.
If those 2 weeks are wasted for you because of just dying then you probably didn't like the game in the first place.
Yup I'm the only one doing 72-96 hours straight. I know for a fact I can do 72 hours (As I've done it in a HC setting multiple times in the past). Everyone else is doing a minimum of 24 hours but no one else is going past 48 except me so if I die after everyone goes to sleep my death won't be streamed :p
On April 27 2012 19:48 tetrismaan wrote: This thread makes me wonder how many deaths (in real life) there will be after a week from launch of the game. Seriously.
Also, imagine dying (ingame) after you've spent 1-2 weeks playing and nothing else. Those 2 weeks were just wasted. Oh em geeee.. I would quit the game instantly.
If those 2 weeks are wasted for you because of just dying then you probably didn't like the game in the first place.
I have a lot of friends that have been excited to hear that I'm doing this, but are somewhat put off by the fact that its hardcore. Often get things like "What happens when you die" "All that effort goes to waste"
It's a game, in all honesty, its all a waste. I play games to have fun and have fun with friends. As long as I do that I'll enjoy this marathon, even when I die a terrible terrible death at level 60.
Dont understand why people would like to play HC... like i play my demon hunter....disconnect, die in the process and everything i ve played for so far is over, i would probably be really upset so why bother? whats the motivation to do this~
On April 29 2012 02:11 {ToT}ColmA wrote: Dont understand why people would like to play HC... like i play my demon hunter....disconnect, die in the process and everything i ve played for so far is over, i would probably be really upset so why bother? whats the motivation to do this~
It's the difference between enjoying a character and enjoying playing the game. I've lost plenty of hc char's in D2 (nothing like what some people have though) but I enjoyed every minute of them, and it was all the better because of the fact it wasn't a case of "oh I died, guess I'll restart from the last checkpoint" and everything mattered.
When your character does die? Well, damn, time to start a new one!
It's not going to be for everyone, but if you love actually playing the game it's absolutely worth it. I should add I'm not saying that enjoying having a max level character farming gear with no threat of death isn't playing the game (I'll have sc characters doing that too) it's just a different thing.
On April 29 2012 02:11 {ToT}ColmA wrote: Dont understand why people would like to play HC... like i play my demon hunter....disconnect, die in the process and everything i ve played for so far is over, i would probably be really upset so why bother? whats the motivation to do this~
It's the difference between enjoying a character and enjoying playing the game. I've lost plenty of hc char's in D2 (nothing like what some people have though) but I enjoyed every minute of them, and it was all the better because of the fact it wasn't a case of "oh I died, guess I'll restart from the last checkpoint" and everything mattered.
When your character does die? Well, damn, time to start a new one!
It's not going to be for everyone, but if you love actually playing the game it's absolutely worth it. I should add I'm not saying that enjoying having a max level character farming gear with no threat of death isn't playing the game (I'll have sc characters doing that too) it's just a different thing.
Its not the deaths that bother me as much as the HRs that luck decided to drop on your HC toon rather than your SC toon.
I don't think there's a World or Region first achievement but there's a daystamped achievement for reaching level 60 going by the Beta. It may be difficult to prove who the first one to 60 was if multiple people hit 60 the same day, but it'll be easy to prove if you hit 60 on the first 60 was achieved.
On April 26 2012 22:32 Kerans wrote: If I may, just a quick suggestion to everybody whose sleep cycle is going to get demolished during the first days of D3 - and please bear in mind that this is personal experience: in no way am I suggesting that this is what IS going to happen, just that it did happen to me, and that subsequent talks with various medical practitioners (neurologists, mainly) confirmed as being a statistically real possibility. Consider it a word of warning, nothing more.
In 2001, at age 19, I volounteered for a pretty big LAN event in my (then) hometown - roughly 1k PCs over 3 days, which for the time was pretty big in Italy. That meant doing everything from hauling technical equipment off the back of a van to laying an untold amount of Ethernet cables all over this stadium, but the brunt of the work, for me and some of the boys, was checking the PCs of everyone who showed up at the door before hooking them up to the infrastructure. That meant standing behind a desk with a monitor and endlessly plugging case after case after case, turning them on until boot ended, turning them off and waving people in. At the time - being 19, in excellent health and having had no problem whatsoever with computers since I was 3 years old and in front of a Vic20 - I thought nothing could go wrong, even with 18-19 hours of work (and a hell of a lot of fun, of course) for a few days. After all, 5 hours of sleep for 3 days is surely doable, right? Wrong. At the beginning of day 2, as I was checking PCs as usual, one moment I was staring at a monitor, and the next thing I know, I'm laying down and staring at a white ceiling, nauseous as hell and bone-tired. I'm in a bed - a hospital bed - with my relatives around me and my head feels like somebody took a sledgehammer to it. Long story short, overworking my eyes with artificial lights for 18 hours a day and very few hours of sleep had made me cross a physical threshold of sort, and further examination led doctors to the conclusion that I had pushed my brain and body over a limit I didn't know I had. Something had to give, and I had an epileptic seizure, screaming my head off and falling backwards, head first, into a metal crush barrier. Not a pretty sight, and thank goodness I had a male nurse friend standing right next to me who knew what to do. I cut my hair too short, it looks like somebody tried to kill me.
Fast-forward to almost eleven years and a broken nose later - courtesy of another episode - I am now on daily medication, which has side effects which I have to be careful of, and of course I really have to watch the amount of time I can play every day, not to mentionall the hoops I have to jump through every time I have to renew my driving license. And I can't really say that I fully learned the lesson yet, since when SC2 came out I pulled a 4am session and of course had another attack, which had me falling from my chair and breaking my glasses in two very jagged pieces, both very close to my eyes, during a full-on seizure. Count me lucky, I guess.
What I'm getting at is this: I know very well how much you want it to be open servers hour on May 15th, I can hardly wait myself. But please, everybody, be careful. Ask yourself if it is really, really, really worth it. I don't want to sound like a jinxer or whatever, but some lessons have a habit of being very tough to learn, unless you keep your head on your shoulders. Choices always have consequences. For me, being a stupid kid who didn't know any better eleven years ago has led me to something which is definitely not life-shattering, but which I could've done without, and that might have never showed up otherwise. Please think about it, for your own sake, and have fun.
Someone give this guy a medal. What he is trying to say is: Do not learn by your own mistakes, learn by other people's mistakes. Because the stupid learns things by his own mistakes, while the smart learns things by other people's mistakes. Please sleep, and enjoy the game. No one will care who gets HC first, same as no one cares or knows the name of the person who was wake up for 11 days in Guiness Record.
And first world inferno Hc character will be a person that beats inferno in softcore, and then starts a hardcore character. I call it here. It will be faster this way, than die during the hardcore run because you don't know the bosses.
I don't really understand the people harping on the fact that no one cares if we're first to 60 HC. I can't speak for the other people in the group but neither do I. This is just an awesome opportunity for fun! I don't give a shit if I'm first to 60 in any capacity, I don't care if I die at 59, minutes away from 60, I don't care if I die at level 20. It would suck if I died earlier than later, sure, but just to be apart of it and experience the moment is exciting. If one of us manages to survive to 60, great, I don't care either way. That doesn't mean I'm going to half ass it and goof off, I'll be playing for keeps and doing everything I can to ensure our survival. I'm playing for myself though, not for some grand vision of internet fame.
I don't know guys... remember the witch doctor gameplay video at I think it was Blizzcon? Huge boss at the end of it seemed to randomly decide to 1 shot that poor barb in melee range by grabbing him and eating his head mad gory style. Have fun finding out all these fun tricks mobs can do while playing hardcore.
Anyway, good luck to all involved.
EDIT: this video, at 6:13, and it was at WWI 2008 not Blizzcon.
It was one of the Boss unique kill animations that Blizz added to some of the main bosses, not a specific ability as such, just triggers on hits that would have normally killed a character anyway. I hope they have a 100% chance to proc in HC
On April 29 2012 09:28 MoonfireSpam wrote: It was one of the Boss unique kill animations that Blizz added to some of the main bosses, not a specific ability as such, just triggers on hits that would have normally killed a character anyway. I hope they have a 100% chance to proc in HC
They've actually said that this animation and others like it will not be in the final game. Was from a blue probably 2-3 months ago. Kind of disappointing
anyone attempting this better start practicing sleep schedule immediately, plan your meals carefully etc. Many people fall asleep through this stuff because they snack the whole time, and their bodies become exhausted with digesting food for like 12 straight hours on top of the fatigue since they woke up that day.
I'm really hoping the first Inferno finish doesn't happen for a month or two at least. I'd love to see groups toiling away at it for a while - wiping and having to start again.
Of course, that would lead to people beating it on Softcore to get everything sorted for the real run, but it'd be so much more of an epic achievement than if it turns into a race that's over after a few solid days or a week.
On April 29 2012 05:40 Lesrah wrote: And first world inferno Hc character will be a person that beats inferno in softcore, and then starts a hardcore character. I call it here. It will be faster this way, than die during the hardcore run because you don't know the bosses.
I kind of agree with this reasoning here. You can try a fight so many more times in normal and as a result get much better the tougher ones. This is going to end up saving time when you come up against a challenging boss that may have some tricky mechanics that take some adapting. If you've already seen it once before then its going to be much, much easier to do again. If it's as hard as it sounds based on no testers beating it, then no one is going to be able to beat it for at least 2 weeks imo.
On April 29 2012 05:40 Lesrah wrote: And first world inferno Hc character will be a person that beats inferno in softcore, and then starts a hardcore character. I call it here. It will be faster this way, than die during the hardcore run because you don't know the bosses.
I kind of agree with this reasoning here. You can try a fight so many more times in normal and as a result get much better the tougher ones. This is going to end up saving time when you come up against a challenging boss that may have some tricky mechanics that take some adapting. If you've already seen it once before then its going to be much, much easier to do again. If it's as hard as it sounds based on no testers beating it, then no one is going to be able to beat it for at least 2 weeks imo.
And that will be a Korean gamer's 2 weeks, which like 4-6 months for a foreigner.
I personally plan on pulling 12 - 16 hour days until I beat Inferno in SC since I'll be done with exams and have a lot of free time before my internship starts. But I think that is about how much you'll have to play a day, for 2 to 4 weeks, to bear inferno HC in world first time.
In response to that video where the barb head gets ripped off.
That was a special death animation, originally that was one of the ideas blizzard was throwing around but it wont exist for the final game. That particular one in the video was a scripted event. So a random death like that wont happen to you in the actual game.
I really do not understand how you guys hope to one-shot all the bosses on all the difficulties, let alone handle elites with never before seen affixes. This entire ordeal seems downright idiotic ^_^ my prognosis is massive wipes in late nightmare or early hell (at the very latest) and a final ragequit soon after.
On May 04 2012 22:50 Kickboxer wrote: I really do not understand how you guys hope to one-shot all the bosses on all the difficulties, let alone handle elites with never before seen affixes. This entire ordeal seems downright idiotic ^_^ my prognosis is massive wipes in late nightmare or early hell (at the very latest) and a final ragequit soon after.
I was half considering making a HC char to level alongside my SC char on release, but the thing that's now scared me off is this quote.
Just being able to make creatures that are faster than the player, which you don’t really see in the earlier difficulties very often -- we can make any kind of common creature faster. And you take all that, and we also have enraged timers, where if you don’t kill the monsters in a certain amount of time, they enrage and then they do massive damage.
Sorry, what. Enrage timers on boss packs that you cannot run away from because they're faster than you, cannot save and exit from, guaranteeing that (one way or another) that will be a fight to the death? I think I'll wait till I know SC like the back of my hand first :p
On May 02 2012 00:01 Fumble wrote: In response to that video where the barb head gets ripped off.
That was a special death animation, originally that was one of the ideas blizzard was throwing around but it wont exist for the final game. That particular one in the video was a scripted event. So a random death like that wont happen to you in the actual game.
Well that sucks, although I can understand why they removed it, probably hard to implement in a good quality way. I was actually slightly looking forward to different death animations from different bosses...
Now I don't have to die on purpose on my first normal run, good to know.
On May 02 2012 00:01 Fumble wrote: In response to that video where the barb head gets ripped off.
That was a special death animation, originally that was one of the ideas blizzard was throwing around but it wont exist for the final game. That particular one in the video was a scripted event. So a random death like that wont happen to you in the actual game.
Well that sucks, although I can understand why they removed it, probably hard to implement in a good quality way. I was actually slightly looking forward to different death animations from different bosses...
Now I don't have to die on purpose on my first normal run, good to know.
Hard to be able to revive someone when they have had their head ripped off.
This isn't exactly a speed run. It's a 'commit a lot of time to playing and being careful so that we don't lose our characters like everyone else' run.
On May 05 2012 00:38 KiWiKaKi wrote: none of you will make it to inferno, and even if you do you shall die act 1
T'is true, but their goal was just to rush to Inferno, not to clear it.
On April 27 2012 00:59 Arch00 wrote: We don't plan on actually killing things in Inferno, just getting to it. I think you'll need to spend a few days gearing up in Hell difficulty before you tackle mobs with 4 affixes ; ;
Still don't think they'll succeed though (as much as I'd like them to).
Yes it's HC, yes the game will be hard, yes there's some nasty stuff, yes we might die, yes it's a little scary, but SOMEONE has to be the first HC 60 and it's not going to be someone who starts Softcore first. Maybe it'll be us, maybe it won't be. The point is we're going to try, and we're going to have a hell of a lot of fun doing it win or lose
On May 05 2012 03:01 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes it's HC, yes the game will be hard, yes there's some nasty stuff, yes we might die, yes it's a little scary, but SOMEONE has to be the first HC 60 and it's not going to be someone who starts Softcore first. Maybe it'll be us, maybe it won't be. The point is we're going to try, and we're going to have a hell of a lot of fun doing it win or lose
Think of it this way, you rush HC hell in classic D2, first time in hell. You see a multishot lightning guy, you attack it, you die. Fine lesson learned but, those who had cleared hellmode would not have died. There will be alot of those stupid situations, because at the start of classic D2, if you saw a multishot lightning mob, you TP:d out and went to another area, or you left the game. As simple as that, they were oneshot galore even against max res.
Then there's stuff like you wouldn't know that chaos sanctuary was a graveyard for melee heroes in hellmode, it was pretty much impossible to survive the ranged dmg along with the random Iron Maiden spam which could get you midswing and 1-2 shot you before you could react.
On May 05 2012 03:01 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes it's HC, yes the game will be hard, yes there's some nasty stuff, yes we might die, yes it's a little scary, but SOMEONE has to be the first HC 60 and it's not going to be someone who starts Softcore first. Maybe it'll be us, maybe it won't be. The point is we're going to try, and we're going to have a hell of a lot of fun doing it win or lose
Think of it this way, you rush HC hell in classic D2, first time in hell. You see a multishot lightning guy, you attack it, you die. Fine lesson learned but, those who had cleared hellmode would not have died. There will be alot of those stupid situations, because at the start of classic D2, if you saw a multishot lightning mob, you TP:d out and went to another area, or you left the game. As simple as that, they were oneshot galore even against max res.
Then there's stuff like you wouldn't know that chaos sanctuary was a graveyard for melee heroes in hellmode, it was pretty much impossible to survive the ranged dmg along with the random Iron Maiden spam which could get you midswing and 1-2 shot you before you could react.
hmm getting 1-shotted with max res seems like bad game design, as it forces 1 death at the minimum.
On May 05 2012 03:01 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes it's HC, yes the game will be hard, yes there's some nasty stuff, yes we might die, yes it's a little scary, but SOMEONE has to be the first HC 60 and it's not going to be someone who starts Softcore first. Maybe it'll be us, maybe it won't be. The point is we're going to try, and we're going to have a hell of a lot of fun doing it win or lose
If I could suggest one thing, if you have a group of more than 4 people, do a simultaneous HC and SC run through. The SC guys can afford to be speedier as they don't have to worry about dying and can "scout" inferno while the HC group levels to 60. This way you can get a heads up about particularly nasty stuff that can take you by surprise even when playing carefully. And best wishes, hope your run goes well.
If I could suggest one thing, if you have a group of more than 4 people, do a simultaneous HC and SC run through. The SC guys can afford to be speedier as they don't have to worry about dying and can "scout" inferno while the HC group levels to 60. This way you can get a heads up about particularly nasty stuff that can take you by surprise even when playing carefully. And best wishes, hope your run goes well.
If we were going to go that route we'd just watch european or Asia streams 9-15 hours before we start
I don't think it's going be a huge deal because normal mode is going to be very forgiving and as long as we're safe we should be able to survive. Once we get into higher difficulties we'll already be familiar with the boss fights for the most part, we'll just have to be very careful about new affixes we encounter and test them out in a very controlled environment before really engaging. And things like MSLE or other combinations we can anticipate. Anything that can effect other abilites like multishot or potential elements that can stack (can you imagine the arcane beam with fire AND ice properties along with a resistance reducing aura? I'd probably not even see how much damage that does unless I had max resistances) + things that either buff monsters (ie fanat) or debuff us (conviction). we'll be extremely cautious about new abilities or combinations. It's all part of the fun
If I could suggest one thing, if you have a group of more than 4 people, do a simultaneous HC and SC run through. The SC guys can afford to be speedier as they don't have to worry about dying and can "scout" inferno while the HC group levels to 60. This way you can get a heads up about particularly nasty stuff that can take you by surprise even when playing carefully. And best wishes, hope your run goes well.
If we were going to go that route we'd just watch european or Asia streams 9-15 hours before we start
I don't think it's going be a huge deal because normal mode is going to be very forgiving and as long as we're safe we should be able to survive. Once we get into higher difficulties we'll already be familiar with the boss fights for the most part, we'll just have to be very careful about new affixes we encounter and test them out in a very controlled environment before really engaging. And things like MSLE or other combinations we can anticipate. Anything that can effect other abilites like multishot or potential elements that can stack (can you imagine the arcane beam with fire AND ice properties along with a resistance reducing aura? I'd probably not even see how much damage that does unless I had max resistances) + things that either buff monsters (ie fanat) or debuff us (conviction). we'll be extremely cautious about new abilities or combinations. It's all part of the fun
Yeah, but as I said earlier, the thing that worries me is that the first truly dangerous pack you encounter will be one where you cannot escape combat because e.g. it massively outspeeds you, which would leave you with no option but to fight to the death. Probably yours.
IMO it would still make more sense to level SC chars alongside, because if you die, you're going to have to re-level all your chars anyway, which is time that would have been better spent levelling the same chars in SC to act as scouts.
EDIT: Also I would fully expect monsters and bosses to have new abilities in NM that they don't use in normal, even more new abilities in Hell, etc. I seem to remember them saying as much, and if it's anything like Poison Viper spears in D2 those are abilities you do not want to be seeing for the first time through the words "Your deeds of valor will be remembered".
On May 05 2012 03:01 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Yes it's HC, yes the game will be hard, yes there's some nasty stuff, yes we might die, yes it's a little scary, but SOMEONE has to be the first HC 60 and it's not going to be someone who starts Softcore first. Maybe it'll be us, maybe it won't be. The point is we're going to try, and we're going to have a hell of a lot of fun doing it win or lose
Think of it this way, you rush HC hell in classic D2, first time in hell. You see a multishot lightning guy, you attack it, you die. Fine lesson learned but, those who had cleared hellmode would not have died. There will be alot of those stupid situations, because at the start of classic D2, if you saw a multishot lightning mob, you TP:d out and went to another area, or you left the game. As simple as that, they were oneshot galore even against max res.
Then there's stuff like you wouldn't know that chaos sanctuary was a graveyard for melee heroes in hellmode, it was pretty much impossible to survive the ranged dmg along with the random Iron Maiden spam which could get you midswing and 1-2 shot you before you could react.
hmm getting 1-shotted with max res seems like bad game design, as it forces 1 death at the minimum.
Why yes that's shit poor game design, that didn't stop it from being in the game for like 4-5 months. farming chaos sanct as a bugged bowazon and a hammerdin party, there's one guy that spawns with multi light, i lost count pretty quickly how often he killed us simply due to spawning behind a corner or something. We played SC, so not that big of a deal, but had i played HC i would of never have farmed there, ever, knowing that he could spawn.
And then as a previous poster said, bosses will have new abilities, so will elite packs. You are doomed to die early - mid nightmare, and then early - mid hell yet again simply because you haven't got an idea whats waiting there for u. And this is what happened in classic d2 release(i cant remember LoD), the HC ladder was like level 50 vs the sc ladder on 85+, simply because HC players just kept freaking dying since they hadn't seen the content before.
Andariel for instance is easy on normal and nightmare, but once u get to hell with -50ish poison res? Holy shit do u die. Same with Duriel, if you aren't prepared he oneshots 3-4 people within loading screen, and guess what u cant run away either since he has holy freeze. Then if u get to act 5, glooms will just shit all over u in 2 seconds first time you see them. Then you get to baals throne room, skeleton stygian dolls, you kill two, bam three people dead from their death explosion. And forget about alt + f4, forget about escape and leave game addons - that stuff doesn't work in D3 simply because it takes 10 seconds to leave a game, no matter what.
Im not trying to put you down, im just saying rushing HC is stupid, but hey doing hardcore content without knowing wtf is awaiting must be a sick rush and well, its the ultimate hardcore. It cant get any harder in Diablo then that. One life, and only your reactions to help you stay alive, knowledge is out of the window. If i was doing it, i'd be scared shitless to move forward an inch in Nightmare and especially hell if i get there. But it would also be alot of fun, untill i'd die for the third time due to something i haven't seen before.
1) All the shit you mentioned just makes me want to play Hardcore mode right away even more, I don't know why 2) All avoidable by simply streaming SC players while playing HC mode since, as you said, they won't have to be as cautious and will be further than us
Yeah, but as I said earlier, the thing that worries me is that the first truly dangerous pack you encounter will be one where you cannot escape combat because e.g. it massively outspeeds you, which would leave you with no option but to fight to the death. Probably yours.
Just because it's faster than us doesn't mean we can't get away from it. We have stuns and mobility abilities, plus changing levels (ie going up or down floors) or taking waypoints gets you out of combat no matter how fast the monsters are.
I prefer HC just because you have to build your character completely differently. More emphasis on parts of the game I enjoy -- strategy, defense, caution, etc. I'll be hopping into HC immediately after I get lvl 10 SC.
The players who rush in HC will be the ones getting slaughtered. At the very beginning of the game the tortoise destroys the hare. Monks and Barbs with their inherit 30% DR will be kings. I know I'll be farming A LOT before I go into nightmare, as well as Hell. I'll be aiming for as much defense and resistances as I can get. I'll be running both defensive passives + possibly the lifesteal one.
I'll be going shield barb as well. Yes, you kill slower, but the name of the game in HC is survivability, that is unless shields are found to be completely worthless in terms of survivability compared to the loss of damage from off-hand weapon. (300 block damage is pittance, and not worth shit, but I'm hoping 1.1k armor is enough reason to want to equip a shield..)
Not only that, the thrill of not knowing if your death looms around the corner is exhilarating.
On May 05 2012 08:40 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Good points unkkz but a few things
1) All the shit you mentioned just makes me want to play Hardcore mode right away even more, I don't know why 2) All avoidable by simply streaming SC players while playing HC mode since, as you said, they won't have to be as cautious and will be further than us
Yeah, but as I said earlier, the thing that worries me is that the first truly dangerous pack you encounter will be one where you cannot escape combat because e.g. it massively outspeeds you, which would leave you with no option but to fight to the death. Probably yours.
Just because it's faster than us doesn't mean we can't get away from it. We have stuns and mobility abilities, plus changing levels (ie going up or down floors) or taking waypoints gets you out of combat no matter how fast the monsters are.
Well, better get some pretty stiff practice in. The intention of boss packs in inferno is that you can't avoid fighting them and you can't get away from them (according to Jay Wilson's latest PlayersCut interview), although you will be able to get away in NM and hell.
Personally, I don't plan on finding out he's right by an unavoidable death at the first boss pack I meet in inferno
On May 05 2012 09:36 Wegandi wrote: I prefer HC just because you have to build your character completely differently. More emphasis on parts of the game I enjoy -- strategy, defense, caution, etc. I'll be hopping into HC immediately after I get lvl 10 SC.
The players who rush in HC will be the ones getting slaughtered. At the very beginning of the game the tortoise destroys the hare. Monks and Barbs with their inherit 30% DR will be kings. I know I'll be farming A LOT before I go into nightmare, as well as Hell. I'll be aiming for as much defense and resistances as I can get. I'll be running both defensive passives + possibly the lifesteal one.
I'll be going shield barb as well. Yes, you kill slower, but the name of the game in HC is survivability, that is unless shields are found to be completely worthless in terms of survivability compared to the loss of damage from off-hand weapon. (300 block damage is pittance, and not worth shit, but I'm hoping 1.1k armor is enough reason to want to equip a shield..)
Not only that, the thrill of not knowing if your death looms around the corner is exhilarating.
This is very true yes, you have to gear completely different. Faster hit recovery if its still in the game, is very usefull in HC, not so much in SC. My sorc had points in dexterity even, to get max block, something i'd never do in SC. So i agree that playing HC forces you to play the entire game, not just the "kill as quick as possible" part.
Spoilers? It shows some monster names, some new affixes, some achievements and some monsters stats between the difficulties, it doesn't really contain any spoilers let alone serious spoilers
Evidently we have different definitions of spoilers - enemy types, stats, locations in game, attacks and achievement information classifies as more than a simple spoiler IMO.
Jesus, that's a long time to stay up. I managed 54hours on the rift launch with 6hours sleep prior, and by the end, I started to hallucinate. 72 hours will be deadly.
The key will be taking those 30 minute breaks to get a bit of shut eye. I won't be rushing with them but I will be playing about 16 hours a day for 4 days straight so I hope I can at least keep up with you guys.
On May 06 2012 06:41 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Spoilers? It shows some monster names, some new affixes, some achievements and some monsters stats between the difficulties, it doesn't really contain any spoilers let alone serious spoilers
If you knew anything about Diablo lore then you would know that his link tells you the exact location of each of the 4 acts, which end bosses you will fight in each of those acts, possible easter eggs, and what item sets will be in the game/ where you will find those sets.
On May 06 2012 06:41 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Spoilers? It shows some monster names, some new affixes, some achievements and some monsters stats between the difficulties, it doesn't really contain any spoilers let alone serious spoilers
If you knew anything about Diablo lore then you would know that his link tells you the exact location of each of the 4 acts, which end bosses you will fight in each of those acts, possible easter eggs, and what item sets will be in the game/ where you will find those sets.
If that's not a spoiler I don't know what is.
Actually it only shows 4 regular mob types and the areas and act they appear in. It shows some of the area names but thats really it. Its just a sneak peak from brady games. Chill.
for wrath it took me quite a bit and i ended up sleeping int he last strech from 78-80 i think i got games wed night ( not good idea for midnight release got tired by time i got home) played till 76, took a nap. than took a nap @ 78 1/2 to 80. For cata i did 80-85 in 17ish hour so i got the game hit 85 than went to school right after. Games doable, but =( i got a test on release date poey.
Me and a couple friends also plan on running HC as far as we can and as long as we can. I'll check back here after the release and see your guys progress, we might be able to meet up.
On May 06 2012 06:41 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Spoilers? It shows some monster names, some new affixes, some achievements and some monsters stats between the difficulties, it doesn't really contain any spoilers let alone serious spoilers
If you knew anything about Diablo lore then you would know that his link tells you the exact location of each of the 4 acts, which end bosses you will fight in each of those acts, possible easter eggs, and what item sets will be in the game/ where you will find those sets.
If that's not a spoiler I don't know what is.
Actually it only shows 4 regular mob types and the areas and act they appear in. It shows some of the area names but thats really it. Its just a sneak peak from brady games. Chill.
Just by looking at the 4 mob types I can tell you that Act 2 will be in and around Caldeum, Act 3 will be partially in hell, and act 4 will be at the steppes of arreat and heaven.
On May 06 2012 06:41 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Spoilers? It shows some monster names, some new affixes, some achievements and some monsters stats between the difficulties, it doesn't really contain any spoilers let alone serious spoilers
If you knew anything about Diablo lore then you would know that his link tells you the exact location of each of the 4 acts, which end bosses you will fight in each of those acts, possible easter eggs, and what item sets will be in the game/ where you will find those sets.
If that's not a spoiler I don't know what is.
Actually it only shows 4 regular mob types and the areas and act they appear in. It shows some of the area names but thats really it. Its just a sneak peak from brady games. Chill.
Just by looking at the 4 mob types I can tell you that Act 2 will be in and around Caldeum, Act 3 will be partially in hell, and act 4 will be at the steppes of arreat and heaven.
So we're still missing, according to what you claimed was in there, the act bosses for each act, what set items are in the game, as well as the location of said set items.
All of the act stuff has been known (or at least theorized to be) in these places for quite some time. For someone not well versed in diablo lore, the locations mean almost nothing.
On May 06 2012 06:41 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Spoilers? It shows some monster names, some new affixes, some achievements and some monsters stats between the difficulties, it doesn't really contain any spoilers let alone serious spoilers
If you knew anything about Diablo lore then you would know that his link tells you the exact location of each of the 4 acts, which end bosses you will fight in each of those acts, possible easter eggs, and what item sets will be in the game/ where you will find those sets.
If that's not a spoiler I don't know what is.
Actually it only shows 4 regular mob types and the areas and act they appear in. It shows some of the area names but thats really it. Its just a sneak peak from brady games. Chill.
Just by looking at the 4 mob types I can tell you that Act 2 will be in and around Caldeum, Act 3 will be partially in hell, and act 4 will be at the steppes of arreat and heaven.
So we're still missing, according to what you claimed was in there, the act bosses for each act, what set items are in the game, as well as the location of said set items.
All of the act stuff has been known (or at least theorized to be) in these places for quite some time. For someone not well versed in diablo lore, the locations mean almost nothing.
On April 27 2012 00:28 DarkPhenomenon wrote: Aye, and also to re-iterate, I've done 72 hour long runs on Diablo 2 HC during the ladder resets without bouts of unconsciousness or lack of sanity. As others have said it's about the person and how they take care of themselves. I'm a relatively healthy person and I didn't load up on sugar or energy drinks, I stuck with water and foods like veggies, cheese/crackers, yogurts, sandwiches etc. and it had zero impact to my health. If I die during my 72-96 hour run it's not going to be from tiredness
To support you a bit. I have done several LANs where either me or some friends did 72 hours without ANY sleep and constant gaming. There were even some slight intoxication invovled from minor substances like alochol. Some people get problems with their stomache because they eat too much fat stuff and don't drink water at all.
The last LAN i went 48 hours straight without sleep, then slept for 5 hours and went on for another 12 hours. On the day we finished I was playing sc2 customs for another 5 hours. It is not like you don't function anymore. On some points you will hit lows where you jsut suck (for me those moments were often during FPS and there u see directly how hard u suck ^^ [5-28 in MW3 ]). If I would do such a run those moments would be the ones to get new coffee, take a walk around the house and then go very slowly in Dia3.
Wish you guys best of luck and hopefully no deaths! I will try to watch as much as possible, but since I'm doing some 48+h actions myself I will miss alot :D
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