Why go Hardcore? - Page 6

UbiNax

Denmark381 Posts

January 30 2012 16:56 GMT

#101

For me to comes down to adrenaline, there is a whole other level og adrenaline flowing when you are at risk of losing your char if you die, and that adrenaline income increases the further you get with the char

It makes you take it alooot more serious if you only have one life with your char...

MyTHicaL

France1070 Posts

January 30 2012 17:00 GMT

#102

Yup i was hc on d2, i will be hc in d3

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Hardcore is just way more fun - nothing like a last minute 30hp alt f4 escape xD. Dueling is also more fun ;o.

I don't see why there's a ton of softys unable to understand hc... If u don't like it you most likely won't play it. I'm certain that the "why does one play hardcore?" question has been answered sufficiently.

HivMagnus

Sweden18 Posts

January 30 2012 17:11 GMT

#103

if you ever have played a duel with a character with let say best gear in the game, wich took countless of hours to get.
The thrill of that duel, made d2 "singleplayer" or "softcore" seem irrelevant.
But to get that gear you had to mf and trade, but the only purpose of mfing and trading was to duel it away. Beacause that thrill was worth all those meaningless hours.
I cant imagine that feeling when you go outside of act1 to duel a similar geard character existed in any game expect maybe some mmorpg (lineage) wich i havent played.
And pking how much fun was that, you could grind games day and night just to kill people so they had to start over.

But the dueling with good people was like a heartattack each time, best feeling ever that i have got when playing a videogame.

I remember a friend who got stuck in the middle xxx of sanctuary ( where diablo is act4) with like 50-100 mobs around him and he starts panicking trying to leave the game, but accidently goes in to option and start changing the volume when he wants to save and exit, and you could see how nervous and stressed he was to get out of the game.
He got out of the game with 8 hp, and screaming of joy.

But most people will probably play softcore because its more casual and everyone can be a winner, like wow in my opinion.

But i strongly recommend HC, its a completly different game, it goes from playing coop on halflife to play multiplayer Halflife.

Snotling

Germany885 Posts

January 30 2012 17:24 GMT

#104

I once read a blog about a guy that played Farcry 2, but with a special twist: He wasnt allowed to continue after he died. He, survived 4/5 of the game. Must be a very intese experience.

Demonhunter04

1530 Posts

January 30 2012 17:35 GMT

#105

On January 31 2012 02:24 Snotling wrote:
I once read a blog about a guy that played Farcry 2, but with a special twist: He wasnt allowed to continue after he died. He, survived 4/5 of the game. Must be a very intese experience.

Sounds amazing, Far Cry 2 had a very raw feeling to it that I loved, despite the game's flaws. I played through it on Infamous and I only died once, though (Excluding a couple times where I was saved by buddies).

Dfgj

Singapore5922 Posts

January 30 2012 17:41 GMT

#106

On January 31 2012 01:32 clusen wrote:

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Playing hc selffound with a friend is pretty much the most fun you can have in d2 imo. Then the game will actually make sense as soon as you enter hell: you can die to scary bosses, you can die when you are not careful and charge through doors, you are really happy about new items etc. You see dolls or souls and you are fucking scared. Softcore can't offer you anything like that, who cares about items when you can't die anyway.

This is a huge part of why I liked playing HC with friends. The game has an entirely different feel.

On January 31 2012 02:11 HivMagnus wrote:
if you ever have played a duel with a character with let say best gear in the game, wich took countless of hours to get.
The thrill of that duel, made d2 "singleplayer" or "softcore" seem irrelevant.
But to get that gear you had to mf and trade, but the only purpose of mfing and trading was to duel it away. Beacause that thrill was worth all those meaningless hours.
I cant imagine that feeling when you go outside of act1 to duel a similar geard character existed in any game expect maybe some mmorpg (lineage) wich i havent played.
And pking how much fun was that, you could grind games day and night just to kill people so they had to start over.

But the dueling with good people was like a heartattack each time, best feeling ever that i have got when playing a videogame.

Without a doubt, some of the most exciting and intense PvP I've had is in older MUDs where when you die, you lost all your equipment + a lot of experience. The rush from taking someone out in an even fight and looting them with so much at stake was incredible.

GelberSack

Germany8 Posts

January 30 2012 19:17 GMT

#107

I don't know if this is true, but people need to drop them wow-glasses.
Hardcore is not about not dying at all, but about dying later. When a hardcore char dies, you don't rage and jump out of the next window. You think about your mistakes and how to make the next hardcore char last longer.

Big-t

Austria1350 Posts

January 30 2012 19:21 GMT

#108

I will play ervery char with classic mode and after some years I will switch to hardcore. Just how I did it in D2.

NotSorry

United States6722 Posts

January 30 2012 19:27 GMT

#109

Would only play hardcore, same with d2, playing without the threat of death is boring basically allowing you to faceroll because what's the worse that could happen, oh you lose a little gold...who cares. Also hardcore items have always sold better due to the risk involved.

d2 hardcore probably held some of my best gaming moments of the near 10years I played it going into a HC game knowing that the other 7 people in game were tppkers trying to bait you then turning around and killing them. That and making kids dodge duels so hard, undefeated ama high lvl duelist 4 seasons in a row.

afirlortwo

United States161 Posts

January 30 2012 19:32 GMT

#110

Not sure if anyone's mentioned it yet, but the harcore economy dynamics are much better as well. Namely, on softcore the market quickly becomes saturated with items, and only the very rarest items are worth anything (so pretty much any loot you find is worthless). On hardcore, there's a much higher character turnover, and generally speaking, when a character dies its items go with it. As such, the rare items are rarer and the semi-rare items are actually worth something, which is much more satisfying (for me at least)

Urbz

Netherlands456 Posts

January 30 2012 20:40 GMT

#111

OP had pretty much answered own question already, but it's heart-warming to see many like-minded hardcore fans here explaining it even more! =)

On January 31 2012 01:32 clusen wrote:

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I know that many players don't realize this but you don't have to go the "get rushed, shop items @ jsp and join baalruns"-route. I know that it makes fun to have an imba char and go the trading/farming route, but that's not everything the game has to offer

Playing hc selffound with a friend is pretty much the most fun you can have in d2 imo. Then the game will actually make sense as soon as you enter hell: you can die to scary bosses, you can die when you are not careful and charge through doors, you are really happy about new items etc. You see dolls or souls and you are fucking scared. Softcore can't offer you anything like that, who cares about items when you can't die anyway.

This sums it up pretty well for me aswell. Although the max 4 player cap per game might seem tough at first but we'll get used to it really quick i'm sure.
Some stuff to keep in mind aswell though, having a shared stash / gold / artisans ( and crafting recipes, even for set-items i've understood ) saved per account. This will make it alot easier to bounce back after losing chars, just twink em up again and gogo. =)
Though i like not being able to save & exit or instantly teleport to town anymore, challenge ftw!

Softcore normal play-through is needed again to unlock HC ( similar to D2 at first ) but it will indeed be tricky to decide when to swap over to HC. I'm tempted to go for it right away but this might lead to finding out nasty stuff the hard way. ^^
I'm still actually playing D2HC again a bit with friends every ladder reset but i cant wait to swap over to D3HC soon, especially with inferno mode to look forwards to aswell !

unkkz

Norway2196 Posts

January 30 2012 21:00 GMT

#112

High risk vs 0 reward. Well duh, its hardcore son!:D Biggest reason to do it in D2 was because the game was too easy really. It's a challenge and gets your heart pumping more often then not when you accidently touch a multi lightning enhanced monster.

forsooth

United States3648 Posts

January 30 2012 21:48 GMT

#113

There's no point in playing HC as far as I'm concerned, especially in D2. I guarantee you anyone who played long enough had at least one character die to a lag spike, whether playing HC or SC. That alone makes HC unacceptable because you can die to factors completely outside your ability to anticipate or control.

Additionally, the PvP was a joke. Everyone botted their way up to a high level, got the exact same perfect gear off jsp or wherever else, and had their retarded teleport-fests on the Blood Moor. I saw no reason to risk a character to that nonsense.

And if we're talking PvE, why would you play HC? It's not like it's some competitive thing that your pride rides on. You party up with some friends, play for a while, then quit and pick it up another day. Why on earth would you want to play a mode where one of your party gets reset and you all have to go all the way back to the beginning if he dies? It's dumb.

Haydin

United States1481 Posts

January 30 2012 22:05 GMT

#114

Challenges are fun. I like intensity when I'm playing a game, so I always tend toward the most difficult modes for the most exciting experience playing a game.

Accomplishing a difficult task is far more rewarding for me than any in-game item or piece of flair, like a title.

SnipedSoul

Canada2158 Posts

January 30 2012 22:46 GMT

#115

Gaming is about fun, not phat l00tz. Hardcore gives you an adrenaline rush every time you get in a tight spot. It's not exciting to play knowing that the worst that can happen is you have to repair your gear and run for a few moments to get back to where you were.

Urbz

Netherlands456 Posts

January 30 2012 23:09 GMT

#116

Hopefully battlenet 2.0 will be alot more stable then 1.0, though i saw this link on twitter earlier today, sounds promising for D3HC. =)

http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/video-of-diablo-3-no-latency-for-high-ping-players

Gann1

United States1575 Posts

January 30 2012 23:48 GMT

#117

It's all psychology. The game is, at least for me, much more exciting when playing hardcore because I'm frantically trying to keep my character alive at all costs. If you die in softcore it doesn't matter, so you don't really get an adrenaline rush when you see a situation you could die in. But if you get into that same situation in hardcore you'll try your hardest to escape it.

But I see your point, because dying and losing a character that you've played for weeks or months does suck.

Medzo

United States627 Posts

January 31 2012 00:07 GMT

#118

Hardcore mode is about the journey. Not the loot. If you think in risk vs reward terms and the reward of playing a game is loot then hardcore makes no sense. If the reward is having fun playing then hardcore makes sense. The time you sink into a character is at risk of death and that makes the game more exciting to play. It doesn't matter if you sink 300 hours into a character and then lose it, because that 300 hours was more fun than 1000 hours of softcore.

Eventually your softcore character will be "dead" too. You will be bored or new games will spark interest. All that ever mattered was how much fun you had.

I always played diablo 2 hardcore mode. I lost a couple characters when I first started out. After I got really into the game I only lost characters dueling. Except one time I lost a character I had put nearly 400 hours into to a lag spike. Did I rage? Yeah, but a couple days later I was excited about a new character. The worst part of hardcore is if you're playing with friends and one of you dies. Then you have to make a new character to play with your friend at least until he is caught up again. Hardcore mode lets you get excited about PvE. It has a risk to it that you cannot get anywhere else in a PvE game.

For diablo 3 though I might stick to softcore mode, just for the real money auction house. If I cant stand playing softcore anymore I will definitely move to hardcore mode. But I might be able to get better rewards from the money system than the PvE from hardcore.

koreasilver

9109 Posts

January 31 2012 00:13 GMT

#119

The reason why I started playing hardcore on D2 back when I used to play is because I the normal mode just got extremely boring and monotonous. You didn't really have to be careful at all, and there's only so much fun you can have of just running around without a care about what happens to you. Hardcore mode remedies that.

Mr Showtime

United States1353 Posts

January 31 2012 01:03 GMT

#120

Once you die with a hardcore character, can't he just become a softcore character?

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