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leakingpear
United Kingdom302 Posts
On April 01 2011 00:21 lastreason wrote: this is probably a strategical move we don't understand I think you could apply the 'we don't understand' thing to the entirety of this case, despite everyone armchair intellectual property lawyering. | ||
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On April 01 2011 02:24 leakingpear wrote: I think you could apply the 'we don't understand' thing to the entirety of this case, despite everyone armchair intellectual property lawyering. Reminds me of the Always Sunny episode about Bird Law. Every time I spot a thread revealing new info on the case, it just makes me itch to see what the end result is cause that's the only thing I feel I'm going to be able fully comprehend. | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Armathai
1023 Posts
As Milkis already pointed out, in the previous court case OGN/MBC demanded that either only Gretech or Blizzard be present, so they are dealing with this potential court issue in this manner. Not only that, but Blizzard wants GOM to be successful with SC2, so they are going to take the heat from this court case in order to make sure SC2 is more successful in Korea than it has been for GOM. The reason Blizzard will definitely continue this case on its own though is because this isn't about SC2, it's about the future of all their game's IP Rights and how much control they have(SC3? WC4 or whatever you can imagine). We can only hope that the courts decide in favour of OGN/MBC vs Blizzard because developers having exclusive rights to all-game content (current SC2 battle.net ofr example) is really bad. We'll see how the court proceedings go to and eagerly await the verdict! | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On April 01 2011 04:31 Armathai wrote: I think a bunch of people are misconstruing what is actually happening. This was a strategic move by Blizzard and GOM(Gretech). As Milkis already pointed out, in the previous court case OGN/MBC demanded that either only Gretech or Blizzard be present, so they are dealing with this potential court issue in this manner. Not only that, but Blizzard wants GOM to be successful with SC2, so they are going to take the heat from this court case in order to make sure SC2 is more successful in Korea than it has been for GOM. The reason Blizzard will definitely continue this case on its own though is because this isn't about SC2, it's about the future of all their game's IP Rights and how much control they have(SC3? WC4 or whatever you can imagine). We can only hope that the courts decide in favour of OGN/MBC vs Blizzard because developers having exclusive rights to all-game content (current SC2 battle.net ofr example) is really bad. We'll see how the court proceedings go to and eagerly await the verdict! hell having it be open domain is ALSO really bad in fact almost much worse. t he best result from this would be a sort of compromise. something like Companies/organizations can only charge for rights to their production and player's likeness and appearance under their banner, while the in game content if directly created by the game devs can only sell rights to. and in game content created by third parties is public domain and cannot be charegd for. (this would mean that KESPA could make OGN and MBC pay for the appearance of the progamers, but not for use of their games. and blizzard could do nothing to stop that interaction unless kespa used solely blizzard created content (IE the load screen and lobby could no longer be shown.) that kind of thing would be ideal i think. | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
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maybenexttime
Poland5753 Posts
On April 01 2011 04:38 PrinceXizor wrote: hell having it be open domain is ALSO really bad in fact almost much worse. t he best result from this would be a sort of compromise. something like Companies/organizations can only charge for rights to their production and player's likeness and appearance under their banner, while the in game content if directly created by the game devs can only sell rights to. and in game content created by third parties is public domain and cannot be charegd for. (this would mean that KESPA could make OGN and MBC pay for the appearance of the progamers, but not for use of their games. and blizzard could do nothing to stop that interaction unless kespa used solely blizzard created content (IE the load screen and lobby could no longer be shown.) that kind of thing would be ideal i think. You post doesn't make any sense. How is showing the load screen or lobby different from showing units and buildings? ;; | ||
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Razzah
United States35 Posts
On March 31 2011 11:08 BLinD-RawR wrote: Basically this means that gom is no longer the bad guys against BW and just Blizzard. Blizzard are the good guys. They made the game and they deserve to reap the benefits. | ||
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maybenexttime
Poland5753 Posts
On April 01 2011 05:03 Razzah wrote: Blizzard are the good guys. They made the game and they deserve to reap the benefits. As in have 100% rights to the content produced by OGN/MBC/players/teams? 100% rights to the players themselves? Shows like Nal_rA Old Boy, etc.? Total control over the broadcasting schedules, and so on? KeSPA wants to pay royalties, and that's all blizzard deserves. | ||
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arcticStorm
United States295 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
On April 01 2011 05:12 arcticStorm wrote: Now that there aren't any Korean companies involved on Blizzard's side, I somehow don't believe the courts will rule in their favor. Even the most impartial judge is going to subconsciously favor the Korean company. No, courts don't work that way. This will likely be a landmark case for intellectual property rights in Korea so no way in hell will the court proceedings be biased by something so stupid and base. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On April 01 2011 05:03 maybenexttime wrote: You post doesn't make any sense. How is showing the load screen or lobby different from showing units and buildings? ;; units and buildings are being used in ways created by third parties (players) while the lobby and load screen are 100% created by blizzard, with only slight text changed (the players named) | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On April 01 2011 05:03 Razzah wrote: Blizzard are the good guys. They made the game and they deserve to reap the benefits. Yes they reap the benefits. The sales of the game and possible broadcasting rights, that is fair. What they ask for is infact not fair at all and seems to be solely a tactic to squeeze the BW scene into non-existance in favour of SC2. So no they aren't the 'Good guys' at all. The made the game, fair enough. Paying to broadcast the game, again fair enough. But they did NOT make or own eSports or any element of it. They shouldn't be anywhere near player contracts, or anything like that. They themselves were perfectly happy with the situation; some of them even attended a Starleague final and i don't remember them saying hey shouldn't we own all this? Isn't this whole scene someone else created actually ours? Then suddenly in 2007, what a coincidence, they really badly care about their IP rights being used and want a lot more than broadcasting fee's. If they were the good guys they would have left BW, its hundreds of thousands of fans, its salaried players, sponsored teams, and many eSports related employees to continue doing what they do best. It should be a source of pride for them that they made the game that created this industry. Not attempt to now bring it down from the inside to benefit them financially in a new game. Fuck that. This scene deserves better from Blizzard. It kept their game alive and hyped to unbelievable levels for many years past any other RTS. It should be considered the current pinnacle of what is possible in eSports and something we can hopefully aspire to and then even grow on. But now you have this ugliness, the original developer actually attempting to sabotage it under the guise of IP rights instead of showing it off as what is actually possible with their new game. It's just an ugly unnecessary move. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
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Chortles
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VGhost
United States3616 Posts
I have no faith we live in a rational world, however. | ||
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Rayeth
United States883 Posts
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