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Source: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2719561
GomTV, the domestic e-sports / broadcasting partner to Blizzard Entertainment, has announced that they are relinquishing their exclusive tournament operation / broadcasting rights to StarCraft: Brood War back to Blizzard Entertainment.
This decision is seen as a way to smooth over the current courtroom issues regarding IP rights negotiation revolving around StarCraft tournament operation as well as its broadcasting. There is also the issue of inability to find a compromise between GomTV and the existing game broadcasting companies. As a result, GomTV decided to allow the original IP rights holder to decide for themselves what to do with the rights issue.
GomTV's representative, Bae In-Sik, has announced this decision to Blizzard Entertainment's CEO, Mike Morhaime, and he has accepted this quickly -- leading up to a fast announcement.
Now, all IP rights related lawsuits will be processed and dealt by Blizzard Entertainment alone. In addition, all licensing deals relating to StarCraft in South Korea will be dealt directly with Blizzard Entertainment.
The tournament/broadcasting rights to StarCraft II, WarCraft III, and World of WarCraft still remains with GomTV.
GomTV's Bae In-Sik said, "We tried our best to get the IP rights of Blizzard games acknowledged since last year, but with lawsuits and other problems, we could not resolve this problem. Therefore, with the full understandings from Blizzard, we have decided to return our exclusive rights to StarCraft: Brood War. GomTV will now only focus on GSL, and we hope that both StarCraft leagues and GSL will be very successful."
Blizzard Entertainment's CEO, Mike Morhaime stated, "We respect GomTV's decision, and we are thankful for all the effort GomTV put into growing e-sports. We will continue to work with GomTV to support their effort with GSL."
On March 31 2011 11:23 Milkis wrote:Obvious move. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202467"Furthermore they pointed out that despite Blizzard giving exclusive rights to Gretech, Blizzard has both sued the broadcasting stations while also interfered with the negotiations and claimed that this was an abuse of their rights. OGN/MBC's lawyer questioned if Gretech did have an exclusive right to the game and ordered that only Gretech or Blizzard (and not both) be present in the courtroom and negotiations in the future."
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So does this mean anything other than which legal team appears in the courtroom? Or what happens to the ongoing case?
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I bet Gom has their hands full with SC2. The only way they would give up such lucrative rights is if they weren't making any money of it, or they found a better place to invest.
Of course, I'm not really familiar with these issues at all, but if I was running Gom that's what I'd be thinking.
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Not like Gom has any plans to do anything with those "exclusive rights", just another pawn on Blizzard's chess board.
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Basically this means that gom is no longer the bad guys against BW and just Blizzard.
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It means no more middle man in the blizzard OGN/MBC lawsuit. It simplifies the court case a little bit.
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Is this good news? I can't really understand.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49973 Posts
And also if blizzard goes down in this lawsuit gom won't be affected at all.
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On March 31 2011 11:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Basically this means that gom is no longer the bad guys against BW and just Blizzard.
I guess from a PR standpoint, being embroiled in this didn't look that great for the main tournament organizer for SC2. I don't think it should change anything for us/BW fans though since it's not like Gretech was functioning as much more than an outpost for Blizzard in this issue, as far as I can tell.
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I'm viewing it as meaning one of two things:
A) Gom didn't want to touch this with a ten-foot-pole. This would be seen in there comment "we hope that both starcraft leagues.... very successful" I would expect Blizzard to be backing off Gom as a partner if this is the case, as they[Gom] feel they will only be spending money legally while making themselves look bad with the e-sports scene and not getting anything back in return financially out of this.
B) Blizzard feel Gom have been doing an inadequate job representing them legally, and want to put their own say on the matter. I hope this is not the case, because it would mean Blizzard will be trying to come down hard on KeSPA/MBC/OGN.
I am leaning towards A, to be honest, but knowing Blizzard I wouldn't be surprised if it was B. They might want to bring the smackdown. Though I feel like they don't want to be associated with this anymore, and wish they hadn't taken the venture at all, they definitely don't enjoy people making more money off of their game than they did.
Different countries have different legal systems, and it is hard for a foreign entity to win a court case in another country.
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On March 31 2011 11:09 etheovermind wrote:
Is this good news? I can't really understand.
Its neither. GOM isn't going to play proxy in the negotiations for Blizzard's demands anymore is all. This shouldn't affect the lawsuits in progress. All this does for GOM is help their PR in korea a bit, since they are no longer the BW opposition that Blizzard was hiding behind.
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On March 31 2011 11:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
And also if blizzard goes down in this lawsuit gom won't be affected at all.
Without Gom, is there a higher chance that Blizzard may go down? or is it just the same as before?
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On March 31 2011 11:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Basically this means that gom is no longer the bad guys against BW and just Blizzard.
YAY! Cookie and ice cream party!
Good news... if if was last summer.
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On March 31 2011 11:09 etheovermind wrote:
Is this good news? I can't really understand.
Seems to be relatively neutral news.
It should simplify the court case now that there isn't anyone else in Korea holding the BW rights other than Blizzard itself.
GOM wasn't really doing anything with the BW rights ATM, and it seems that the lawsuit put them in a relatively precarious position considering that they were the sole holders of some very sought-after IP rights.
On the other hand, this means that GOM can't really do anything about BW streams now that they don't own the rights to the game anymore. Perhaps Grobyc's ordeal will now only be an isolated anomaly.
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No it's still the same and a lawsuit is not Agamemnon of chance.:p
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On March 31 2011 11:12 NicksonReyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
And also if blizzard goes down in this lawsuit gom won't be affected at all. Without Gom, is there a higher chance that Blizzard may go down? or is it just the same as before?
I don't see why it would change anything about the outcome of the case excepting weird situations like Korean court corruption leading to Korean company favoritism, but if that was possible before(I don't really know, please understand that this is a hypothetical and not something I'm suggesting is actually happening or will happen) it's only just as possible now.
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On March 31 2011 11:12 NicksonReyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:10 BLinD-RawR wrote:
And also if blizzard goes down in this lawsuit gom won't be affected at all. Without Gom, is there a higher chance that Blizzard may go down? or is it just the same as before?
Stays the same, blizzard was always the force behind this whole mess, gom just
acted as a middleman.
And they have enough, because they get most of the shit out of this.
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On March 31 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
On the other hand, this means that GOM can't really do anything about BW streams now that they don't own the rights to the game anymore. Perhaps Grobyc's ordeal will now only be an isolated anomaly.
If you believe the post they made and the lack of further action, it's not like they intended to take down any more anyway.
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On March 31 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
On the other hand, this means that GOM can't really do anything about BW streams now that they don't own the rights to the game anymore. Perhaps Grobyc's ordeal will now only be an isolated anomaly.
I thought according to them it was about streaming GSL (and yes, I saw the alleged picture).
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GOM is owned by CJ which has a lot of money in BW. Not surprised this happened eventually.
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When I first read the title I thought they were giving the rights back to OGN/MBC, lol Blizzard.
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Obvious move.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202467
Furthermore they pointed out that despite Blizzard giving exclusive rights to Gretech, Blizzard has both sued the broadcasting stations while also interfered with the negotiations and claimed that this was an abuse of their rights. OGN/MBC's lawyer questioned if Gretech did have an exclusive right to the game and ordered that only Gretech or Blizzard (and not both) be present in the courtroom and negotiations in the future.
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On March 31 2011 11:17 Turgid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
On the other hand, this means that GOM can't really do anything about BW streams now that they don't own the rights to the game anymore. Perhaps Grobyc's ordeal will now only be an isolated anomaly. If you believe the post they made and the lack of further action, it's not like they intended to take down any more anyway.
True. Although I never believed that GOM was going anti-BW in that takedown since it was about GSL, there were quite a bit of crazy anti-GOM conspiracy theories floating around in that thread about Grobyc possibly being the first victim in GOM's evil plot to take down all BW tournament streams. At least those theories are now completely baseless now that GOM can't do anything with BW anymore.
This seems like a wise decision for GOM. They weren't going to do anything with the rights anyways, especially since they're pumping all their resources into GSL. If Blizzard were to go ahead and yank the plug on Proleague/OSL/MSL, at least GOM will no longer be in an awkward position.
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Regardless, GOM took a smart decision from a business perspective.
At least, from the layman TLer, this doesn't really serve too much purpose since they hadn't really been broadcasting BW related things as of late...
Still, it feels so...weird =/
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It eases the pressure on GOMTV as a Korean company and SC2 as an eSports a little bit. It is basically a thing between Blizzard and the Korean companies that sponsors BW teams that stick together in this case of an "outside" aggression by Blizzard. GOMTV must have recognized, if the Korean economy won't sponser SC2 pro teams ASAP with salaries for the players due to their commitment to Blizzard, these teams will disappear and make SC2 as an Korean eSports impossible in the long run.
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Thinking more about this, this may actually be positive news, being that if Blizzard is alone in the lawsuit, it looks a lot clearer that they just want to kill the pro scene rather than just control it and replace OGN with gom or something. Maybe Blizzard will really how bad that looks publicly and back down.
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So I'm assuming this is a response to OGN/MBC trying to get Blizzard out of the courtroom because it should technically only be Gretech in there. I wonder if this will strengthen or weaken Blizzard's position since they no longer have a Korean company in the mix.
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I can't tell if this is a good thing or a bad thing
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On March 31 2011 11:49 Zim23 wrote:
So I'm assuming this is a response to OGN/MBC trying to get Blizzard out of the courtroom because it should technically only be Gretech in there. I wonder if this will strengthen or weaken Blizzard's position since they no longer have a Korean company in the mix.
I would say weaken for the reason like you said and because they clearly want no alternative but to shut down the BW leagues rather than switch to GOM or something like that.
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This was a smart move for GOM, no need to strain themselves and their future by fighting a titan which cannot be beaten. This does suggest that Kespa is not giving in and putting a lot of pressure on Blizz. I hope Blizz caves in and make a decent settlement.
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yesyesyesyesyesyesyes!!!!
My BW can continue safely in peace!
Okay misread this initially... the fact that GOM is pulling out means that they aren't confident in the lawsuit though, I would hope.
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On March 31 2011 11:54 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:49 Zim23 wrote:
So I'm assuming this is a response to OGN/MBC trying to get Blizzard out of the courtroom because it should technically only be Gretech in there. I wonder if this will strengthen or weaken Blizzard's position since they no longer have a Korean company in the mix. I would say weaken for the reason like you said and because they clearly want no alternative but to shut down the BW leagues rather than switch to GOM or something like that.
IMO, "clearly" seems too strong a word for Blizzard's true motives.
They're already in a legal position to shut down the leagues, yet they are not exercising that right just yet. Perhaps the quickest way for them to force their contract is to shut down the leagues right now, yet they aren't doing it for some reason. It's still pretty debatable what their real goals are, especially since some parts of their IP lawsuit are actually quite legit.
IMO, I don't think we can definitively predict Blizzard's plans until seeing their actions after the lawsuit is settled.
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On March 31 2011 12:06 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:54 etheovermind wrote:On March 31 2011 11:49 Zim23 wrote:
So I'm assuming this is a response to OGN/MBC trying to get Blizzard out of the courtroom because it should technically only be Gretech in there. I wonder if this will strengthen or weaken Blizzard's position since they no longer have a Korean company in the mix. I would say weaken for the reason like you said and because they clearly want no alternative but to shut down the BW leagues rather than switch to GOM or something like that. IMO, "clearly" seems too strong a word for Blizzard's true motives. They're already in a legal position to shut down the leagues, yet they are not exercising that right just yet. Perhaps the quickest way for them to force their contract is to shut down the leagues right now, yet they aren't doing it for some reason. It's still pretty debatable what their real goals are, especially since some parts of their IP lawsuit are actually quite legit. IMO, I don't think we can definitively predict Blizzard's plans until seeing their actions after the lawsuit is settled.
LOL if you honestly think Blizzard doesn't want to shut down BW you're blind. They DID request the leagues to be shutdown while the case is still pending which was denied, so they are NOT in the legal position to shutdown the leagues currently despite the fact that they tried to shut them down. I have seen your posts before so I know that you are a very big fan of SC2 but read the writing on the wall please.
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Has GOM even touched WC3 and WoW arena in the past two years?
#1 esports promoter.
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On March 31 2011 11:23 Milkis wrote:Obvious move. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202467Show nested quote +Furthermore they pointed out that despite Blizzard giving exclusive rights to Gretech, Blizzard has both sued the broadcasting stations while also interfered with the negotiations and claimed that this was an abuse of their rights. OGN/MBC's lawyer questioned if Gretech did have an exclusive right to the game and ordered that only Gretech or Blizzard (and not both) be present in the courtroom and negotiations in the future.
This seems like the best explanation, so it's just a side matter really
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On March 31 2011 12:29 etheovermind wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 12:06 eviltomahawk wrote:On March 31 2011 11:54 etheovermind wrote:On March 31 2011 11:49 Zim23 wrote:
So I'm assuming this is a response to OGN/MBC trying to get Blizzard out of the courtroom because it should technically only be Gretech in there. I wonder if this will strengthen or weaken Blizzard's position since they no longer have a Korean company in the mix. I would say weaken for the reason like you said and because they clearly want no alternative but to shut down the BW leagues rather than switch to GOM or something like that. IMO, "clearly" seems too strong a word for Blizzard's true motives. They're already in a legal position to shut down the leagues, yet they are not exercising that right just yet. Perhaps the quickest way for them to force their contract is to shut down the leagues right now, yet they aren't doing it for some reason. It's still pretty debatable what their real goals are, especially since some parts of their IP lawsuit are actually quite legit. IMO, I don't think we can definitively predict Blizzard's plans until seeing their actions after the lawsuit is settled. LOL if you honestly think Blizzard doesn't want to shut down BW you're blind. They DID request the leagues to be shutdown while the case is still pending which was denied, so they are NOT in the legal position to shutdown the leagues currently despite the fact that they tried to shut them down. I have seen your posts before so I know that you are a very big fan of SC2 but read the writing on the wall please.
Really? I also read somewhere that Blizzard hadn't sent out an injunction during the court case even though they asked that OGN/MBC to not broadcast while the court case was pending. There seems to be a pretty hefty difference between asking for a shutdown and outright filing an injunction.
On December 04 2010 12:21 charlesatan wrote:If Blizzard wanted to stop the airing of Broodwar, they could have filed an injunction--which would stop the broadcasts until everything could be legally resolved, but didn't: Show nested quote +Why didn't you request an injunction to stop broadcasting?
Blizzard and GomTV has always been participating in the negotiations in the good faith. Any other companies in our situation would never have the same patience we have. We still acknowledge South Korea as an important market. But now, I think there is no answer other than the lawsuit. If we really wanted to get done with this faster, we would have filed an injunction. I think that in order to broadcast, a proper license is required. So, we filed an lawsuit in the basis of IP rights violation without filing an injunction first. Source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7158393
I do recall getting the info from this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174061
Of course, the answer to the interview came from Paul Sams, so it may be a bit fishy in terms of true intentions. Also, the overall thread does seem to be very, very slightly biased in a favor of Blizzard, though it has some excellent information in it.
Seems to be a bit of contradictory evidence and opinions here that may need to be addressed.
I do watch both the BW and SC2. I really want the BW leagues to continue considering that there is still a lot of entertainment and depth left in the game. In this case, I see Blizzard more as bumbling fools rather than greedy pigs.
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Gomtv has been impressing me lately... Clearly they did not enjoy being the "bad" company that took down broodwar vids on youtube/streams. Plus their recent tournament, they made their premium passes free, and is involved with donations to japan relief.
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erm so, what will happen to BW?
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On March 31 2011 11:04 Selith wrote:Source: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2719561GomTV, the domestic e-sports / broadcasting partner to Blizzard Entertainment, has announced that they are relinquishing their exclusive tournament operation / broadcasting rights to StarCraft: Brood War back to Blizzard Entertainment. This decision is seen as a way to smooth over the current courtroom issues regarding IP rights negotiation revolving around StarCraft tournament operation as well as its broadcasting. There is also the issue of inability to find a compromise between GomTV and the existing game broadcasting companies. As a result, GomTV decided to allow the original IP rights holder to decide for themselves what to do with the rights issue. GomTV's representative, Bae In-Sik, has announced this decision to Blizzard Entertainment's CEO, Mike Morhaime, and he has accepted this quickly -- leading up to a fast announcement. Now, all IP rights related lawsuits will be processed and dealt by Blizzard Entertainment alone. In addition, all licensing deals relating to StarCraft in South Korea will be dealt directly with Blizzard Entertainment. The tournament/broadcasting rights to StarCraft II, WarCraft III, and World of WarCraft still remains with GomTV. GomTV's Bae In-Sik said, "We tried our best to get the IP rights of Blizzard games acknowledged since last year, but with lawsuits and other problems, we could not resolve this problem. Therefore, with the full understandings from Blizzard, we have decided to return our exclusive rights to StarCraft: Brood War. GomTV will now only focus on GSL, and we hope that both StarCraft leagues and GSL will be very successful." Blizzard Entertainment's CEO, Mike Morhaime stated, "We respect GomTV's decision, and we are thankful for all the effort GomTV put into growing e-sports. We will continue to work with GomTV to support their effort with GSL."
Hell, it's about time.
Now if only Blizzard would give up their tirade everything would be peachy.
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On March 31 2011 13:04 MiraKul wrote:
erm so, what will happen to BW?
Nothing will happen because of this. Basically all this means is that Gom will not take part in the lawsuit. Which makes sense, since they really didn't have a purpose there to begin with - it's not like Starcraft is their IP, and they'd basically gain nothing from winning since they're so focused on SC2 right now. So it's all Blizzard from here on out.
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On March 31 2011 13:07 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:04 Selith wrote:Source: http://www.playxp.com/sc2/news/view.php?article_id=2719561GomTV, the domestic e-sports / broadcasting partner to Blizzard Entertainment, has announced that they are relinquishing their exclusive tournament operation / broadcasting rights to StarCraft: Brood War back to Blizzard Entertainment. This decision is seen as a way to smooth over the current courtroom issues regarding IP rights negotiation revolving around StarCraft tournament operation as well as its broadcasting. There is also the issue of inability to find a compromise between GomTV and the existing game broadcasting companies. As a result, GomTV decided to allow the original IP rights holder to decide for themselves what to do with the rights issue. GomTV's representative, Bae In-Sik, has announced this decision to Blizzard Entertainment's CEO, Mike Morhaime, and he has accepted this quickly -- leading up to a fast announcement. Now, all IP rights related lawsuits will be processed and dealt by Blizzard Entertainment alone. In addition, all licensing deals relating to StarCraft in South Korea will be dealt directly with Blizzard Entertainment. The tournament/broadcasting rights to StarCraft II, WarCraft III, and World of WarCraft still remains with GomTV. GomTV's Bae In-Sik said, "We tried our best to get the IP rights of Blizzard games acknowledged since last year, but with lawsuits and other problems, we could not resolve this problem. Therefore, with the full understandings from Blizzard, we have decided to return our exclusive rights to StarCraft: Brood War. GomTV will now only focus on GSL, and we hope that both StarCraft leagues and GSL will be very successful." Blizzard Entertainment's CEO, Mike Morhaime stated, "We respect GomTV's decision, and we are thankful for all the effort GomTV put into growing e-sports. We will continue to work with GomTV to support their effort with GSL." Hell, it's about time.Does this mean we can see a settlement soon? Only time will tell.
The next trial date is May 13th, so it will probably take a bit more time. Then again, court cases are notorious for moving at a snail's pace, so I wouldn't count in an immediate settlement.
BTW, in this case, would GOMtv and Gretech be treated as the same company?
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There won't be a settlement soon. Gretech/GOM is doing the smart thing by taking themselves out of the witch hunt. I don't expect this case to be resolved for another year and a half at least.
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On March 31 2011 11:23 Milkis wrote:Obvious move. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202467Show nested quote +Furthermore they pointed out that despite Blizzard giving exclusive rights to Gretech, Blizzard has both sued the broadcasting stations while also interfered with the negotiations and claimed that this was an abuse of their rights. OGN/MBC's lawyer questioned if Gretech did have an exclusive right to the game and ordered that only Gretech or Blizzard (and not both) be present in the courtroom and negotiations in the future.
That's what came to my mind first as well. I don't think Gom was like "welp, I guess you can have the rights back" so much as it's a new strategy to get the BW scene shut down since Gom seems incapable of unwilling to enforce the rights themselves. Here's hoping they fail
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Seems like having exclusive rights to SCBW is as much a liability as an asset. Should KeSPa step out of line to provide popular, entertaining content to fans (that also view your GOMTV shows), you have to be the one to put legal money into squashing it.
If we get really lucky, Blizzard will make a similar calculus and we can start the damn OSL.
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On March 31 2011 13:37 akomatic wrote:
Seems like having exclusive rights to SCBW is as much a liability as an asset. Should KeSPa step out of line to provide popular, entertaining content to fans (that also view your GOMTV shows), you have to be the one to put legal money into squashing it.
If we get really lucky, Blizzard will make a similar calculus and we can start the damn OSL.
for your information osl is kicking off already so why the hell do we need any confirmation from blizzard to start osl ?
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Smart move by GomTV imo. It's best to just get out of this IP rights mess and keep their hands as clean as they can.
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At least there was progress in one direction. As long as BW lives on I'm happy.
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this actually helps blizzard in the ongoing case.. eliminating one more point of ambiguity that could be used against them..
pretty sure it was blizzard behind this decision.. anyway it doesnt make much of a difference in the current scheme of things..
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ugh, I was hopefull that the case would perhaps reach a settlement, I was dissapointed :<
lol @ Grobyc, I heard you love GomTV  .
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On March 31 2011 14:19 nufcrulz wrote:
this actually helps blizzard in the ongoing case.. eliminating one more point of ambiguity that could be used against them..
pretty sure it was blizzard behind this decision.. anyway it doesnt make much of a difference in the current scheme of things..
No, this weakens the anti-broodwar case. Before this round, blizzard had tried to sue KeSPA, but it had a hard time gaining traction due in part because it was a non-Korean entity that was trying to claim ownership. That was why they gave gom the BW rights in the first place, to use them as a proxy for the case.
The overall impact of this is small, but a stronger court case coupled with the fact that BW has one less enemy (which meas people like gorbyc won't be blocked (actual I wonder if he can get unblocked...)) is an overall net positive.
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If you push the anti-BW conspiracy theories aside, (because Blizzard still hasn't filed an injunction) this also means that BW rights are up for negotiation again.
Should OGN want to step up against KeSPA and return to it's state of power before they had to fork over the Proleague, they could easily pump out some $ to partner with Blizzard for BW rights. Considering the recent announcement of amateur leagues, if KeSPA tries to pull players out OGN will still have content to broadcast and players/companies who want to be on TV can still join up without the need of a pro gaming license. OGN can then continue to broadcast WCG freely & possibly work up some leverage to get the/a Proleague under their control.
-my ideal situation-
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Makes sense. Blizzard really didn't have an option to work without KeSPA on BW. Hopefully this solves it.
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On March 31 2011 13:30 swanized wrote:*reads title *  *reads thread* 
my exact reaction
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On March 31 2011 14:03 Grobyc wrote:
sounds good to me haha
just realized this news is kinda personal for you.
at least the streamers can breathe a sight of relief that they won't be hunted by gom anymore and blizzard doesn't have the time or patience to hunt for re streamers.
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Holy fuck this is awesome!!!
GOM really does care about ESPORTS! I never imagined this type of thing would happen. Blizzard still sucks a lot, but at least they don't have the local corporation in their corner. It is really interesting how this case is so unprecedented. It's like the game vs the corporation in a way. Regardless...
Thank you GOMTV. Thank you so fucking much!
EDIT: I just want to reiterate that I think this is good news. I don't know if it will impact the court case much, but there have been a lot of negatives to Gretech being involved. An American company making an important IP rights case in Korea instead of a Korean company doing it. The closing rift between SC2 via GOM and BW via its competitors... I guess there may be little serious meaning to this, but if there is it seems beneficial and personally it feels really good.
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On March 31 2011 15:07 xBillehx wrote:
If you push the anti-BW conspiracy theories aside, (because Blizzard still hasn't filed an injunction) this also means that BW rights are up for negotiation again.
Should OGN want to step up against KeSPA and return to it's state of power before they had to fork over the Proleague, they could easily pump out some $ to partner with Blizzard for BW rights. Considering the recent announcement of amateur leagues, if KeSPA tries to pull players out OGN will still have content to broadcast and players/companies who want to be on TV can still join up without the need of a pro gaming license. OGN can then continue to broadcast WCG freely & possibly work up some leverage to get the/a Proleague under their control.
-my ideal situation-
I like this idea a lot.But why not have KeSPA themselves bid for the rights for BW now.
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On March 31 2011 15:49 BLinD-RawR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 15:07 xBillehx wrote:
If you push the anti-BW conspiracy theories aside, (because Blizzard still hasn't filed an injunction) this also means that BW rights are up for negotiation again.
Should OGN want to step up against KeSPA and return to it's state of power before they had to fork over the Proleague, they could easily pump out some $ to partner with Blizzard for BW rights. Considering the recent announcement of amateur leagues, if KeSPA tries to pull players out OGN will still have content to broadcast and players/companies who want to be on TV can still join up without the need of a pro gaming license. OGN can then continue to broadcast WCG freely & possibly work up some leverage to get the/a Proleague under their control.
-my ideal situation- I like this idea a lot.But why not have KeSPA themselves bid for the rights for BW now.
Because KeSPA isn't a broadcasting company. The rights are for broadcasting, which is mainly meant for OGN/MBCGame. KeSPA is only going to be behind the players and their sponsors, so broadcasting is mainly out of their control. (I think).
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When I read the sidebar, I saw, "GomTV to give up exclusi…". I immediately crapped my pants, but then I opened the thread up .
I do have to give +1 respect to GOM though, I feel as if this will make it at least a bit easier for OGN/MBC, because it's Korean companies vs. Blizzard now. I think because there isn't a Korean company there now to be with Blizz, they have less of a footing with the court.
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On March 31 2011 15:55 a9arnn wrote:When I read the sidebar, I saw, "GomTV to give up exclusi…". I immediately crapped my pants, but then I opened the thread up .
You're not the only one
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At least its Foreigners vs Chaebols now, and that can only be good news
BW hwaiting ~~ <3
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I think it's pretty simple- GOM didn't want the BW debacle to tarnish their reputation and that of the SC2 leagues.
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I'm really happy with Gom decision and hopefully this will lead in to a more positive additude towards starcraft 2 esport. I thought about this yesterday and felt so sad about it. Like when it was GOMTV vs MBC/OGN because i would guess they both want the same thing, to grow esport bigger and better. I hope that this will lead into more activites between the diffrent channels and in the end help both games grow further
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Gom probably decided it will get more out of just focusing all its resources on SC2 and will just double down on its efforts there. They are going to have quite the leg up on any companies that try to enter the Korean Starcraft 2 scene in the future so all they need to do is just sit back and enjoy their current monopoly as the SC:BW scene dwindles* their competitors will have a hell of a time trying to break in to the market and achieve anywhere near the market saturation Gom will have.
*Whether you believe BW is a better game then SC2 or not there is no arguing that there is much much more money up for grabs in the SC2 market then there is in the SC:BW market and at the end of the day that really matters, sooner or later they will need to branch out into SC2 or go out of business as the money (advertising dollars, fans purchases and so on) spent on BW dries up.
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GOM probably felt like the child with all the toys but noone to play with.
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good~ i think this is for the better.....
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I take this as a good sign for goms success with sc2 but hard to say how this will affect the ip rights issues if it will at all.
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gahaahaja KOREAN PROBW HWAITING!!
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This means nothing at all.
It's a tactical move because of this (just gonna quote Milkis because he's 100% right):
On March 31 2011 11:23 Milkis wrote:Obvious move. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=202467Show nested quote +Furthermore they pointed out that despite Blizzard giving exclusive rights to Gretech, Blizzard has both sued the broadcasting stations while also interfered with the negotiations and claimed that this was an abuse of their rights. OGN/MBC's lawyer questioned if Gretech did have an exclusive right to the game and ordered that only Gretech or Blizzard (and not both) be present in the courtroom and negotiations in the future.
GOM out the way so Blizzard can continue the lawsuit by itself.
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On March 31 2011 13:30 swanized wrote:*reads title * *reads thread*
COuldnt said it better myself
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Interesting move. One could hope it's because they're losing faith in the case against MBC/OGN.
Does this mean anything regarding all the BW content GOM has already produced?
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PR move, doesn't really affect the courtcase.
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Good move by GOM imo. They needn't have got themselves mixed in the mess.
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On March 31 2011 17:09 TheButtonmen wrote:
Gom probably decided it will get more out of just focusing all its resources on SC2 and will just double down on its efforts there. They are going to have quite the leg up on any companies that try to enter the Korean Starcraft 2 scene in the future so all they need to do is just sit back and enjoy their current monopoly as the SC:BW scene dwindles* their competitors will have a hell of a time trying to break in to the market and achieve anywhere near the market saturation Gom will have.
*Whether you believe BW is a better game then SC2 or not there is no arguing that there is much much more money up for grabs in the SC2 market then there is in the SC:BW market and at the end of the day that really matters, sooner or later they will need to branch out into SC2 or go out of business as the money (advertising dollars, fans purchases and so on) spent on BW dries up.
Not right now no. This might be the better decision for GOM but it doesn't change the fact that all participants created a hell of a mess. Blizzard had the best possible infrastructure any country could provide them and catapulted itself back to zero. The two biggest starcraft broadcasters in the entire world don't broadcast their new game on TV even one year later. That influences the decision sponsors make heavily. The amount of potential would have been enough to kickstart Starcraft 2 into different spheres.
People sometimes are quick to forget that Pro BW is a multi million dollar industry. And what is put into BW (Salary, Teams) outweighs what is handed out by pricemoney by a fuckton.
No one gained anything from this debacle. The major sponsors who proved themselves to be willing to put money into e-sport are still shut out of Starcraft 2. The power of CJ, SK Telecom, KT and Samsung... major players in their respective field on the Korean market.
This whole story is just a big fat tragedy.
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This is just a dance. GOM and ActiBlizz are very close and GOM needed to do this to expedite ActiBlizz's suit against kespa and broadcasters.
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Hm i wonder if this is one of the condition imposed by KT in order for them to sponsor the GSL.
I recall there was a news that KT was going to sponsor GSL ( GSTL) but it was removed immediately and it seemed to disappear.
Maybe other than the Blizzard court move, this might be a move by GOM to appease the big guns sponsoring BW.
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On March 31 2011 22:44 dtz wrote:
Hm i wonder if this is one of the condition imposed by KT in order for them to sponsor the GSL.
I recall there was a news that KT was going to sponsor GSL ( GSTL) but it was removed immediately and it seemed to disappear.
Maybe other than the Blizzard court move, this might be a move by GOM to appease the big guns sponsoring BW.
What does KT have to do with this? They're neither a BW broadcaster nor Kespa Chair.
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So basically, this changes... nothing. Things related to BW is now just handed all over to Blizz branch in Korea.
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i wouldn't be suprised if gom was having a hard time being profitable from the GSL.
theres many many many small hints that make me think this
lawsuits cost quite alot of money...
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On March 31 2011 11:07 tnkted wrote:
I bet Gom has their hands full with SC2. The only way they would give up such lucrative rights is if they weren't making any money of it, or they found a better place to invest.
Of course, I'm not really familiar with these issues at all, but if I was running Gom that's what I'd be thinking.
The bigger problem was that in court the KeSPA side was bringing up issues with regards to whether BLIZZARD or GomTV should be dealing with everything in court which would further delay decisions and create problems with regards to dealing with the IP rights in court. Its easier to just let blizzard deal with it on its own instead of getting pulled into a legal battle which costs a ton of money which they may might prefer not to spend. And if they dont want to get involved but the judges say they need to be involved since they are the ones who should be in court not blizzard then they HAVE to spend that money. This ignores the money they are or are not making from BW.
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this is probably a strategical move we don't understand
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Good decision by GOM imo. There is no reason for them to get involved in a case that might create bad publicity. Let Blizzard deal with their own bullshit
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If I was a business operating in Korea I'd probably want to distance myself from the crusade to kill professional broodwar as well.
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Hmm is this an April's fool? I'm always doubtful of announcements made on the 1st of April...
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Broodwar is called in a BCG-Matrix a Poor Dog, SC2 instead is a Star or CashCow to invest in
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On April 01 2011 01:46 tetramtroll wrote:
Hmm is this an April's fool? I'm always doubtful of announcements made on the 1st of April...
On playXP the date on the newspost is 2011-03-31 08:44:35 KST, that's quite a few hours before 1st April, so you should be save in believing it
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On March 31 2011 11:20 jalstar wrote:
GOM is owned by CJ which has a lot of money in BW. Not surprised this happened eventually.
Isnt it other way around?
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On April 01 2011 01:59 hyperioNsin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:20 jalstar wrote:
GOM is owned by CJ which has a lot of money in BW. Not surprised this happened eventually. Isnt it other way around?
As in you think GOM is bigger than CJ? wtf...
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On April 01 2011 01:59 hyperioNsin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:20 jalstar wrote:
GOM is owned by CJ which has a lot of money in BW. Not surprised this happened eventually. Isnt it other way around?
I think CJ owns part of a company, Gretech, which in turn owns GOM. However, it's not a full ownership, so CJ can't control or pressure GOM or Gretech into doing anything.
Also, it's interesting to note that CJ also owns part of OnMedia, which in turn runs OneGameNet.
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I'm not trying to be an ass but Brood War kinda died...
User was warned for this post
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I'd say this is definitely a good thing. It's a good PR move for GOM and if anything it simplifies the court case. It's also easier to come to an agreement between two parties instead of three.
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On April 01 2011 01:46 tetramtroll wrote:
Hmm is this an April's fool? I'm always doubtful of announcements made on the 1st of April...
The news was here before April 1st, it just didn't get marked as a community headline until today. It's legitimate news.
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On April 01 2011 00:21 lastreason wrote:
this is probably a strategical move we don't understand
so true
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On April 01 2011 02:07 SYNC_qx wrote:
I'm not trying to be an ass but Brood War kinda died...
Care to elaborate?
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On April 01 2011 02:07 SYNC_qx wrote:
I'm not trying to be an ass but Brood War kinda died...
Thanks for telling us
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On April 01 2011 00:21 lastreason wrote:
this is probably a strategical move we don't understand
I think you could apply the 'we don't understand' thing to the entirety of this case, despite everyone armchair intellectual property lawyering.
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On April 01 2011 02:24 leakingpear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 00:21 lastreason wrote:
this is probably a strategical move we don't understand I think you could apply the 'we don't understand' thing to the entirety of this case, despite everyone armchair intellectual property lawyering.
Reminds me of the Always Sunny episode about Bird Law. Every time I spot a thread revealing new info on the case, it just makes me itch to see what the end result is cause that's the only thing I feel I'm going to be able fully comprehend.
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Gom realized that arguing with the sc1 companies will only give them negative promotion, so they pass the ball to blizzard. Good move in my opinion. With fewer parties, this case might get resolved quicker.
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whew, thought it meant that they lost to kespa or at least lost a big part of it (losing BW)
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Ideally Blizzard now sells the IP rights to OGN and then everything is pretty much solved. (except kespa charging IP rights to something they don't own. but at least tournaments can go on and everything.
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I think a bunch of people are misconstruing what is actually happening. This was a strategic move by Blizzard and GOM(Gretech).
As Milkis already pointed out, in the previous court case OGN/MBC demanded that either only Gretech or Blizzard be present, so they are dealing with this potential court issue in this manner.
Not only that, but Blizzard wants GOM to be successful with SC2, so they are going to take the heat from this court case in order to make sure SC2 is more successful in Korea than it has been for GOM. The reason Blizzard will definitely continue this case on its own though is because this isn't about SC2, it's about the future of all their game's IP Rights and how much control they have(SC3? WC4 or whatever you can imagine).
We can only hope that the courts decide in favour of OGN/MBC vs Blizzard because developers having exclusive rights to all-game content (current SC2 battle.net ofr example) is really bad.
We'll see how the court proceedings go to and eagerly await the verdict!
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On April 01 2011 04:31 Armathai wrote:
I think a bunch of people are misconstruing what is actually happening. This was a strategic move by Blizzard and GOM(Gretech).
As Milkis already pointed out, in the previous court case OGN/MBC demanded that either only Gretech or Blizzard be present, so they are dealing with this potential court issue in this manner.
Not only that, but Blizzard wants GOM to be successful with SC2, so they are going to take the heat from this court case in order to make sure SC2 is more successful in Korea than it has been for GOM. The reason Blizzard will definitely continue this case on its own though is because this isn't about SC2, it's about the future of all their game's IP Rights and how much control they have(SC3? WC4 or whatever you can imagine).
We can only hope that the courts decide in favour of OGN/MBC vs Blizzard because developers having exclusive rights to all-game content (current SC2 battle.net ofr example) is really bad.
We'll see how the court proceedings go to and eagerly await the verdict!
hell having it be open domain is ALSO really bad in fact almost much worse. t
he best result from this would be a sort of compromise.
something like
Companies/organizations can only charge for rights to their production and player's likeness and appearance under their banner, while the in game content if directly created by the game devs can only sell rights to. and in game content created by third parties is public domain and cannot be charegd for. (this would mean that KESPA could make OGN and MBC pay for the appearance of the progamers, but not for use of their games. and blizzard could do nothing to stop that interaction unless kespa used solely blizzard created content (IE the load screen and lobby could no longer be shown.) that kind of thing would be ideal i think.
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I might be wrong but wouldn't this clear the way for a big Samsung sponsorship of GSL? With LG sponsoring the world championship, maybe Samsung approached them afterward and this was a way to ease the conflicting interests for Samsung.
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On April 01 2011 04:38 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 04:31 Armathai wrote:
I think a bunch of people are misconstruing what is actually happening. This was a strategic move by Blizzard and GOM(Gretech).
As Milkis already pointed out, in the previous court case OGN/MBC demanded that either only Gretech or Blizzard be present, so they are dealing with this potential court issue in this manner.
Not only that, but Blizzard wants GOM to be successful with SC2, so they are going to take the heat from this court case in order to make sure SC2 is more successful in Korea than it has been for GOM. The reason Blizzard will definitely continue this case on its own though is because this isn't about SC2, it's about the future of all their game's IP Rights and how much control they have(SC3? WC4 or whatever you can imagine).
We can only hope that the courts decide in favour of OGN/MBC vs Blizzard because developers having exclusive rights to all-game content (current SC2 battle.net ofr example) is really bad.
We'll see how the court proceedings go to and eagerly await the verdict!
hell having it be open domain is ALSO really bad in fact almost much worse. t he best result from this would be a sort of compromise. something like Companies/organizations can only charge for rights to their production and player's likeness and appearance under their banner, while the in game content if directly created by the game devs can only sell rights to. and in game content created by third parties is public domain and cannot be charegd for. (this would mean that KESPA could make OGN and MBC pay for the appearance of the progamers, but not for use of their games. and blizzard could do nothing to stop that interaction unless kespa used solely blizzard created content (IE the load screen and lobby could no longer be shown.) that kind of thing would be ideal i think.
You post doesn't make any sense. How is showing the load screen or lobby different from showing units and buildings? ;;
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On March 31 2011 11:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Basically this means that gom is no longer the bad guys against BW and just Blizzard.
Blizzard are the good guys. They made the game and they deserve to reap the benefits.
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On April 01 2011 05:03 Razzah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Basically this means that gom is no longer the bad guys against BW and just Blizzard. Blizzard are the good guys. They made the game and they deserve to reap the benefits.
As in have 100% rights to the content produced by OGN/MBC/players/teams? 100% rights to the players themselves? Shows like Nal_rA Old Boy, etc.? Total control over the broadcasting schedules, and so on?
KeSPA wants to pay royalties, and that's all blizzard deserves.
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Now that there aren't any Korean companies involved on Blizzard's side, I somehow don't believe the courts will rule in their favor. Even the most impartial judge is going to subconsciously favor the Korean company.
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On April 01 2011 05:12 arcticStorm wrote:
Now that there aren't any Korean companies involved on Blizzard's side, I somehow don't believe the courts will rule in their favor. Even the most impartial judge is going to subconsciously favor the Korean company.
No, courts don't work that way. This will likely be a landmark case for intellectual property rights in Korea so no way in hell will the court proceedings be biased by something so stupid and base.
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On April 01 2011 05:03 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 04:38 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 01 2011 04:31 Armathai wrote:
I think a bunch of people are misconstruing what is actually happening. This was a strategic move by Blizzard and GOM(Gretech).
As Milkis already pointed out, in the previous court case OGN/MBC demanded that either only Gretech or Blizzard be present, so they are dealing with this potential court issue in this manner.
Not only that, but Blizzard wants GOM to be successful with SC2, so they are going to take the heat from this court case in order to make sure SC2 is more successful in Korea than it has been for GOM. The reason Blizzard will definitely continue this case on its own though is because this isn't about SC2, it's about the future of all their game's IP Rights and how much control they have(SC3? WC4 or whatever you can imagine).
We can only hope that the courts decide in favour of OGN/MBC vs Blizzard because developers having exclusive rights to all-game content (current SC2 battle.net ofr example) is really bad.
We'll see how the court proceedings go to and eagerly await the verdict!
hell having it be open domain is ALSO really bad in fact almost much worse. t he best result from this would be a sort of compromise. something like Companies/organizations can only charge for rights to their production and player's likeness and appearance under their banner, while the in game content if directly created by the game devs can only sell rights to. and in game content created by third parties is public domain and cannot be charegd for. (this would mean that KESPA could make OGN and MBC pay for the appearance of the progamers, but not for use of their games. and blizzard could do nothing to stop that interaction unless kespa used solely blizzard created content (IE the load screen and lobby could no longer be shown.) that kind of thing would be ideal i think. You post doesn't make any sense. How is showing the load screen or lobby different from showing units and buildings? ;;
units and buildings are being used in ways created by third parties (players) while the lobby and load screen are 100% created by blizzard, with only slight text changed (the players named)
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On April 01 2011 05:03 Razzah wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2011 11:08 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Basically this means that gom is no longer the bad guys against BW and just Blizzard. Blizzard are the good guys. They made the game and they deserve to reap the benefits.
Yes they reap the benefits. The sales of the game and possible broadcasting rights, that is fair. What they ask for is infact not fair at all and seems to be solely a tactic to squeeze the BW scene into non-existance in favour of SC2. So no they aren't the 'Good guys' at all.
The made the game, fair enough. Paying to broadcast the game, again fair enough. But they did NOT make or own eSports or any element of it. They shouldn't be anywhere near player contracts, or anything like that. They themselves were perfectly happy with the situation; some of them even attended a Starleague final and i don't remember them saying hey shouldn't we own all this? Isn't this whole scene someone else created actually ours? Then suddenly in 2007, what a coincidence, they really badly care about their IP rights being used and want a lot more than broadcasting fee's.
If they were the good guys they would have left BW, its hundreds of thousands of fans, its salaried players, sponsored teams, and many eSports related employees to continue doing what they do best. It should be a source of pride for them that they made the game that created this industry. Not attempt to now bring it down from the inside to benefit them financially in a new game. Fuck that.
This scene deserves better from Blizzard. It kept their game alive and hyped to unbelievable levels for many years past any other RTS. It should be considered the current pinnacle of what is possible in eSports and something we can hopefully aspire to and then even grow on. But now you have this ugliness, the original developer actually attempting to sabotage it under the guise of IP rights instead of showing it off as what is actually possible with their new game. It's just an ugly unnecessary move.
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Good news, maybe GOM(and SC2) will get some more love in korea now.
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I don't understand why blizzard wants sc1 dead so much. Both sides should back down a bit and reach a freaking deal.
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Seems to me this could (in a rational world) be the prelude to a reasonable conclusion: Blizzard (now in possession of their own broadcasting rights again) drops the lawsuit for a settlement where they sell the broadcasting rights to OGN/MBCGame for a sum a mediator sets as reasonable.
I have no faith we live in a rational world, however.
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Epic April Fool's troll?
If only...
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dayummm GomTv is pretty awesome
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Lets see how Blizzard will handle this responsibility
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I know it's probably not the case, but it sure would be funny if Gom was like "BAM APRIL FOOLS LOLOLLO"
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I think GOM and Blizzard realised that the defendants keep skirting around the issue of which party's legal representatives should be at each hearing so they decided to do this. Smart choice to expedite the hearings.
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Cheers to GOM, I respect them not wanting to tarnish their image.
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Wait, is this the "month-after-March-imbecile's" post or not?
I was pretty sure it would be when I saw the title =/
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this is an april fools post, right?
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Am I the only one who assumed GOM's real motive was to abruptly squelch the Brood War scene to make way for SC2?
It was a clever attempt if you ask me... the only thing more clever was relinquishing the rights to Blizzard, and thus leaving the Korean broadcasts with the strong possibility of having to re-purchase them for a disproportionate sum of money.
The Korean Leagues are wearing bifocals whereas GOM has vision.
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why would people still care about BW
User was temp banned for this post.
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this is a smart move by GomTV: they avoid to be the mail man for 2 sides of a war
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Ugh I just wan't this to be over. Why don't you go and make a wow expansion or something, blizzard.
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On April 01 2011 05:45 Fyodor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 05:12 arcticStorm wrote:
Now that there aren't any Korean companies involved on Blizzard's side, I somehow don't believe the courts will rule in their favor. Even the most impartial judge is going to subconsciously favor the Korean company. No, courts don't work that way. This will likely be a landmark case for intellectual property rights in Korea so no way in hell will the court proceedings be biased by something so stupid and base.
It probably will work like that... A Korean judge is gonna favour Korean companies, whether it is conscious or subconscious choice. Humans are never impartial.
This is probably somewhat favourable to BW.
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On April 02 2011 03:44 Nerski wrote:
Stays the same, blizzard was always the force behind this whole mess,
Does anyone ever research anything before they drop an opinion? Article says it best what started this whole problem...KeSPA wanting to have total control and say over SC:BW in korea with no other influence to their 'power'.
" However, KeSPA, the Korean e-Sports Association, put pressure on its players and teams to sit out Season 3, and when almost no players were allowed to participate, Season 4 was cancelled. Various reasons were given for this, but it was thought that KeSPA was not happy about the fact that Blizzard had been a major sponsor of the final season—the first time Blizzard had ever sponsored a StarCraft tournament in Korea—doubling the prize pool and making the tournament more attractive to players."
So basically because blizzard decided to help promote esports by doubling tournament prize money...KeSPA got worried about their control and forced players to sit...then from their it spiraled out of control as KeSPA removed blizzard from BW entirely on their end and the IP suits started up.
Seems pretty clear cut to me who started this whole 'mess'
Is that to say I think blizzard should control things to a point if you even stream your own SC2 blizzard can jump all over you to pay them...no. But if you don't want to tick off someone and start an IP rights battle taking all their logos and anything referring to the producer of the game off your broadcasts is probably not a smart move.
Old post link from last year that is very relevant to all of you hating on blizzard so much.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
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On April 02 2011 03:53 Nerski wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 03:44 Nerski wrote:
Stays the same, blizzard was always the force behind this whole mess, Does anyone ever research anything before they drop an opinion? Article says it best what started this whole problem...KeSPA wanting to have total control and say over SC:BW in korea with no other influence to their 'power'. " However, KeSPA, the Korean e-Sports Association, put pressure on its players and teams to sit out Season 3, and when almost no players were allowed to participate, Season 4 was cancelled. Various reasons were given for this, but it was thought that KeSPA was not happy about the fact that Blizzard had been a major sponsor of the final season—the first time Blizzard had ever sponsored a StarCraft tournament in Korea—doubling the prize pool and making the tournament more attractive to players." So basically because blizzard decided to help promote esports by doubling tournament prize money...KeSPA got worried about their control and forced players to sit...then from their it spiraled out of control as KeSPA removed blizzard from BW entirely on their end and the IP suits started up. Seems pretty clear cut to me who started this whole 'mess' Is that to say I think blizzard should control things to a point if you even stream your own SC2 blizzard can jump all over you to pay them...no. But if you don't want to tick off someone and start an IP rights battle taking all their logos and anything referring to the producer of the game off your broadcasts is probably not a smart move. Old post link from last year that is very relevant to all of you hating on blizzard so much. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
You do realize how biased that thing you're citing is, right?
To be fair, neither party is innocent. This isn't as simple bickering as your typical 5 year old banter to say "X started it" or "Y started it". This is a grey area so don't act as if you know what you're talking about just because you read some thing some random korean netizen in the internet posted without even fact checking. Hell, the article you cited didn't even fact check, not surprising because e-Sports journalism is a joke.
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Just removes Gom as the middleman that has the rights to it but doesn't use said rights, Blizzard has a Korean part of it now, which means it can deal with it court as well.
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On April 02 2011 08:16 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 03:53 Nerski wrote:On April 02 2011 03:44 Nerski wrote:
Stays the same, blizzard was always the force behind this whole mess, Does anyone ever research anything before they drop an opinion? Article says it best what started this whole problem...KeSPA wanting to have total control and say over SC:BW in korea with no other influence to their 'power'. " However, KeSPA, the Korean e-Sports Association, put pressure on its players and teams to sit out Season 3, and when almost no players were allowed to participate, Season 4 was cancelled. Various reasons were given for this, but it was thought that KeSPA was not happy about the fact that Blizzard had been a major sponsor of the final season—the first time Blizzard had ever sponsored a StarCraft tournament in Korea—doubling the prize pool and making the tournament more attractive to players." So basically because blizzard decided to help promote esports by doubling tournament prize money...KeSPA got worried about their control and forced players to sit...then from their it spiraled out of control as KeSPA removed blizzard from BW entirely on their end and the IP suits started up. Seems pretty clear cut to me who started this whole 'mess' Is that to say I think blizzard should control things to a point if you even stream your own SC2 blizzard can jump all over you to pay them...no. But if you don't want to tick off someone and start an IP rights battle taking all their logos and anything referring to the producer of the game off your broadcasts is probably not a smart move. Old post link from last year that is very relevant to all of you hating on blizzard so much. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895 You do realize how biased that thing you're citing is, right? To be fair, neither party is innocent. This isn't as simple bickering as your typical 5 year old banter to say "X started it" or "Y started it". This is a grey area so don't act as if you know what you're talking about just because you read some thing some random korean netizen in the internet posted without even fact checking. Hell, the article you cited didn't even fact check, not surprising because e-Sports journalism is a joke.
I think he was trying to get across that this actually is a grey area, and Blizzard isn't some evil corporation trying to kill everything you hold dear. There definitely are two sides to this.
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I think it was quite obvious that this would have happened, and I was actually not expecting that it would happen so slowly. But, good move from GOM. SC2 is the future, although BW is still great.
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On April 02 2011 02:20 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 05:45 Fyodor wrote:On April 01 2011 05:12 arcticStorm wrote:
Now that there aren't any Korean companies involved on Blizzard's side, I somehow don't believe the courts will rule in their favor. Even the most impartial judge is going to subconsciously favor the Korean company. No, courts don't work that way. This will likely be a landmark case for intellectual property rights in Korea so no way in hell will the court proceedings be biased by something so stupid and base. It probably will work like that... A Korean judge is gonna favour Korean companies, whether it is conscious or subconscious choice. Humans are never impartial. This is probably somewhat favourable to BW.
I don't know about how the whole thing works re: Koreans favouring Koreans, but I can tell you, for a fact, that the whole culture is geared around this. A big part of this mess starting up is from KeSPA trying to keep control, something that is just engrained into Korean culture. I'm actually really surprised at how co-operative that GOM has been with other eSports organizations... it's quite out of character with the Korean mentality.
As you say, one would hope that the courts would be free of this - but your faith in the legal system makes me smile a little (I'm in law... I have no more faith in the legal system =P)
Another thing to keep in mind is that there is no such thing as a "landmark case" in the Korean legal system (at least in the North American understanding of a "landmark case") as they run on a variant of the continental European legal system which puts little to no emphasis on precedent cases.
All the above to say, it will go the way that the law was written.
And the law was written by Koreans.
So if Blizzard wants to win this thing, they're going to have to make sure that they hire good Korean lawyers and let them do their thing instead of having the American legal team come over and try to direct the case. I'm pretty sure that's the thing that's going to get them in the most hot water.
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As a ridiculously funny April fools day prank GOM broadcasted an SC:BW match before the GSL:WC tournament. Is that in breach now? They had earlier announced that they had relinquished their rights? just saying...
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On April 03 2011 16:50 riboflavin wrote:
As a ridiculously funny April fools day prank GOM broadcasted an SC:BW match before the GSL:WC tournament. Is that in breach now? They had earlier announced that they had relinquished their rights? just saying...
Probably not, since the CEO of Blizzard (Mike Morhaime) was in attendance.
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On April 03 2011 16:50 riboflavin wrote:
As a ridiculously funny April fools day prank GOM broadcasted an SC:BW match before the GSL:WC tournament. Is that in breach now? They had earlier announced that they had relinquished their rights? just saying...
Which match was this?
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Kespa can't win. anyone who knows Korean law agree this fact. IP right is guaranteed by the international treaty and Korea must follow them. Moreover, Blizzard hired the BEST Korean law firm. Kespa knows it is unlikable to win and they are delaying trials by questioning hundreds of trivial issues. They are also taking advantage of their UNN media power and encouraging false nationalism, especially targeted to general people who don't know about PC games at all.(majority of Korean gamers don't agree with Kespa)
However, it won't change the result. Korean court may biased, but it is too clear that Kespa is violating Blizzard's IP right. Actually Kespa asked government to help them insisting that future of Korean e-sports may collapse but Ministry of Culture and Tourism replyed "Admit Blizzard IP right first, and negotiate with Blizzard" Our government really wanna avoid USA's priority watch list. You guys don't need to worry about goverment and court fairness.
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On April 04 2011 04:25 Manatea wrote:
Kespa can't win. anyone who knows Korean law agree this fact. IP right is guaranteed by the international treaty and Korea must follow them. Moreover, Blizzard hired the BEST Korean law firm. Kespa knows it is unlikable to win and they are delaying trials by questioning hundreds of trivial issues. They are also taking advantage of their UNN media power and encouraging false nationalism, especially targeted to general people who don't know about PC games at all.(majority of Korean gamers don't agree with Kespa)
However, it won't change the result. Korean court may biased, but it is too clear that Kespa is violating Blizzard's IP right. Actually Kespa asked government to help them insisting that future of Korean e-sports may collapse but Ministry of Culture and Tourism replyed "Admit Blizzard IP right first, and negotiate with Blizzard" Our government really wanna avoid USA's priority watch list. You guys don't need to worry about goverment and court fairness.
Whether a game broadcast is a synthesized new intellectual property or reproduction of blizzrds ip, is all in the eye of the beholder. there exist no strict criterion for differentiating them, however in legal terms, the former case would make kespa win, the latter case would make blizzard win.
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Did they get their dollar refunded?
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Can anyone explain to me what is the deal with the Blizzard IP in Korea? I am confused about how a company that neither made, developed, or produce the game have the IP rights...
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On April 08 2011 23:51 P0ckets wrote:
Can anyone explain to me what is the deal with the Blizzard IP in Korea? I am confused about how a company that neither made, developed, or produce the game have the IP rights...
Who are you referring to? Assuming Kespa, I don't believe they have ever considered themselves to hold any rightful claim to BW as an intellectual property. I can't even begin to imagine how they would try to stop someone else from broadcasting BW. From my understanding they have always sought compensation for using players who are affiliated with Kespa through the pro teams, each of which are active board members of Kespa.
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